On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:05:58 PM UTC-7, wrote:
Op maandag 17 mei 2021 om 19:39:41 UTC+2 schreef :
Colnago CLX3.0 bare - 15.8 lbs
Lemond Zurich bare - 20.3 lbs
Douglas Vector with seatpack. - 17.4
Douglas Ti with water bottle and seat pack. - 20.3 lbs.
Eddy Merckx with bottle half full and heavy seatpack - 20.8

My 2018 Trek Emonda bare was 17.5 lbs.

As you can see, aluminum bikes do not necessary have a weight penalty. Nor are titanium bikes particularly light.

I would say that since about 2001 that most decent bikes couldn't be declared as "heavy". The complete Look KG585 which was a light climbing bike was 16 lbs even bare.
With off the shelf parts 2014 and a heavy saddle:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/N8frpRqH5fuj2tuA6
https://photos.app.goo.gl/PMxriEU7B8VVnMieA
Still my climbing bike,

Impressive. I get that it is light which makes it easier to ascend, but do you lose performance elsewhere? My Emonda SLR was Trek's bleeding edge light bike, and it is clearly not the last word in sprinting stiffness -- but since my sprint could be clocked with a calendar, its no big loss. Oddly, my relative boat-anchor Synapse "endurance" bike is basically stiffer everywhere and has a more harsh road feel, although that is mitigated with 28mm tires.

BTW, your garage operating room is again impressive. I wouldn't know how to work in such a clean, well organized and lighted space. It would be disorienting. I'm acclimated to the dim, industrial revolution feel of my garage and basement shop.

-- Jay Beattie.