No, you've not done a single thing to validate such a position ...
you've simply stated it, again and again, because it is what you would like to
be the case. The general population is not going to pay for a parks
service which doesn't cater to their needs.

Nonsense, the public pays for all sorts of things which they
either don't use or can't use because dedicated to special purposes - such as
trails for hiking.

Public parks are dedicated to public recreation ... that's their purpose. The public pays for them and, quite rightly, expects to be permitted reasonable access.

Then I will simply ignore you. I have no time for
foul-mouthed bigots.

You will either post correctly or you will reap my whirlwind.
Learn how to delete and don't pick out single sentences from my paragraphs to
respond to. You have been warned. I have no time for scoundrels!

I will respond in any way I think fit to your posts. If you don't like it I think you can think of a suitable epithet to apply.

All travel and hiking is best done alone. Otherwise one is too

busy interacting with others to give proper attention to what it is
you are

there for in the first place. If you had ever read any travel books by
travelers

(not tourists), you would know this.

If that's how you like to enjoy your hiking and travel then
fine. I prefer, usually, to enjoy experiences with friends and
family. It is simply a preference, not axiomatically better or
worse.

All the great travel books have been written by lone travelers
(Paul Theroux). After all, they are traveling, not touring. Hells Bells, you
can't even bike alone. Pathetic and pitiful!

What the hell does authoring books have to do with it !??

Please, do tell me, WHY you think you are entitled to tell other people how to enjoy themselves ? I'm not telling you what to do, but you seem determined to dictate to everyone else how they use their public parks and land.

The "best" of anything is left to the experts to tell us what

it is. As always, you are confusing and conflating "best" with "most".
If you

thought about it more, even you would not want that.

Sometimes, this is correct. And the professional land
managers (experts) have made their determination and come up with compromises
which don't entirely suit you, or me. However, that's probably the best
that can be done in the circumstances.

The land mangers are not the experts on how the natural
environment and wilderness should be managed. I could give you a whole list of
names of prominent wilderness conservationists who know best what the natural
environment is for, but it would go right over your head.

Ed, you said let the experts decide and most of the land managers have professional training and in some cases degrees pertinent to their positions. So, clearly, they meet your requirements to have more expertise than you or I.

You suggested an approach but, as ever, you simply can't countenance others having differing views to you so now you want to pick the experts. Laughable.

You're not even consistent within one post. A few sentences
above you stated that hiking and travel was best done alone. Now, you
claim that social groups are actually seeking exactly the same experience as
lone hikers ?

They are, but they are not achieving it as effectively as lone
hikers.

Rolling on floor laughing. Is that really the best you can do ?

Bikers are interfering with what everyone else is doing.

No, Ed, they're interfering with your peace of mind ... which is your problem. Normal hikers get to enjoy their experience without worrying.

Whereas, as I showed and you eventually were forced to
concede,

the risk of a fatality or serious injury in a lifetime of
mountainbiking is, in

reality, very low indeed. So, if you take up mountainbiking you
will

probably live a long and healthy life.

I conceded no such thing. Where did that come from?

"You really have to work at it to manage to kill yourself" - Ed
Dolan

Written shortly after you claimed that death was a near
inevitability.

QED.

I claimed that accidents were inevitable, not necessarily
death. If you knew how to read, you would know that I am saying that mountain
bikers are so god damn ****ing dumb that they do indeed manage to kill
themselves whereas if they weren't so god damn ****ing dumb they would have to
work at it. But you do not know how to read.

I read what you actually write ... it appears you can't transcribe what is in your head efficiently to text.

You wrote

"The fact remains that those who bike on hiking trails (not bike paths) will eventually come to a bad end because it is extremely dangerous." - Ed Dolan

Memory going again Ed ?

A paragraph will have a central thought. If you knew how to
read, you would know that you must respond to that central thought. Instead you
get lost on peripheral details and waste everyone's time, including your own,
because I can't be taken in by that kind of stupidity. Most of the points you
like to make are on details and not worth a response. I will simply delete your
nonsensical details in the future since I value my time even if you don't value
your time.

I am here purely for amusement. As I said, I shall choose to respond to you in any way I deem appropriate consistent with the rules of the forum.

If you write nonsense then I will call you on it. Clear ?

I suggest you not argue derails with me since you do not know

how to do it. You have never refuted a single thing I have ever said.
All you do

is just disagree with a **** poor argument that makes no sense at


all.

Suggestion rejected. You make so many detail errors and
outright contradictory posts that someone has to highlight your nonsense.

I will no longer bother with what you consider "detail errors"
or "contradictions". Go for my main thought every time or else go **** yourself.
I have wasted enough time on an idiot like you who does not know how to read
anything.

And I've probably wasted way too much time with someone who simply cannot see that their views and opinions are not supported by any facts and are, quite simply, bigotry.

There is a big wide world out there ... go out and enjoy it and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing. If you see a bike, take a deep breath, and simply ignore it ... it's not going to hurt you.

I didn't say I was excluding motorcycles from trails totally ...
stop misrepresenting me. I said that their access had to be much more
controlled because of their environmental impact. There need to be some
resources where people CAN ride motorcycles.

Motorcycles need to be excluded from all trails totally - you
dumb jackass - just like bikes need to be excluded from all trails totally - you
dumb jackass! There are plenty of roads for bikes and motorcycles. That fact
that you don't think so marks you as the dumbest jackass I have ever encountered
on any newsgroup. Ask your fellow mountain bikers if they want to share trails
with motorcyclists? Your jackassery passes all understanding!

If you care to rephrase as a coherent point then I'll respond ... if you descend to playground name-calling I'm going to ignore you until you can be civil.

Oh, so you'd be happy to give up hiking would you Ed since that
would preserve nature far better ?

We hikers take only pictures and leave only
footprints.

"A 1975 survey of land managers reported substantial erosion on mountain trails during the previous decade that was attributed to dramatic increases in horse and foot travel on trails not designed to accomodate higher volumes of traffic" - Godin and Leonard, 1979

So, no, you're wrong ... you cause erosion and also, as your idiotic pal vandeman is fond of pointing out, you disturb wildlife that doesn't like human presence.

All activities have some deleterious effect on nature.

I am concerned solely with the impact of bikes on hikers - period! We
don't want bikes on trails because what they are doing is a conflict with what
we are doing.

Yawn ! So you've said a million times. Don't you get tired of it ?

And, as I've said many times now too, I don't care what you and vandeman want. You're not reasonable people so there is no compromise that will satisfy you ... hence, I'm simply going to ignore you.