Labour MP Margaret Hodge floors cyclist whilst talking on mobile phone

On May 3, 8:46*pm, JNugent wrote:
On 03/05/2013 20:34, Dave- Cyclists VORC wrote:

On 03/05/2013 11:53, CJB wrote:
Labour MP Margaret Hodge accused of flooring cyclist with her car door
while talking on mobile phone
Cyclist clearly failing to use observation, anticipation & hazard
awareness skills.
He should have been charged with criminal damage to the car door.

It *is* odd that cyclists expect sufficient clearance when being
overtaken that they can perform a deviation in course as wide as they
choose (the "wobble") and still not be hit even when they suddenly veer
into the path of overtaking traffic, whilst on the other hand, they (or
some of them at least) cannot be trusted to do a simple thing like stay
a few feet away from the offside of a stationary passenger vehicle where
disgorging of its occupants (with always at least one alighting from the
offside) is easily prdictable and whose occupants can actually be seen
(by those who can be bothered to look).

I typically travel along highways faster than a cyclist would and could
therefore claim that I need even more notice of a vehicle door being
opened in my path, yet in probably something approaching a half million
miles of driving in urban areas, I have never even come close to hitting
a vehicle's opening or opened door, or an emerging vehicle occupant.

It's a mystery that motorists manage to see cars, isn't it?

On 04/05/2013 11:40, Squashme wrote:
On May 3, 8:46 pm, JNugent wrote:
On 03/05/2013 20:34, Dave- Cyclists VORC wrote:

On 03/05/2013 11:53, CJB wrote:
Labour MP Margaret Hodge accused of flooring cyclist with her car door
while talking on mobile phone
Cyclist clearly failing to use observation, anticipation & hazard
awareness skills.
He should have been charged with criminal damage to the car door.

It *is* odd that cyclists expect sufficient clearance when being
overtaken that they can perform a deviation in course as wide as they
choose (the "wobble") and still not be hit even when they suddenly veer
into the path of overtaking traffic, whilst on the other hand, they (or
some of them at least) cannot be trusted to do a simple thing like stay
a few feet away from the offside of a stationary passenger vehicle where
disgorging of its occupants (with always at least one alighting from the
offside) is easily prdictable and whose occupants can actually be seen
(by those who can be bothered to look).

I typically travel along highways faster than a cyclist would and could
therefore claim that I need even more notice of a vehicle door being
opened in my path, yet in probably something approaching a half million
miles of driving in urban areas, I have never even come close to hitting
a vehicle's opening or opened door, or an emerging vehicle occupant.

It's a mystery that motorists manage to see cars, isn't it?

They clearly do though. Incidents of motorists hitting opened doors are
infinitesimal.

Unlike the untrained, unregulated rabble on push bikes.



--
Dave - Cyclists VORC
Bicycles are for Children. Like masturbation, something you should grow
out of.
There is something seriously sick and stunted about grown men who want
to ride a bike."

On 04/05/2013 11:38, Cassandra wrote:
On Fri, 03 May 2013 20:46:40 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

On 03/05/2013 20:34, Dave- Cyclists VORC wrote:

On 03/05/2013 11:53, CJB wrote:

Labour MP Margaret Hodge accused of flooring cyclist with her car door
while talking on mobile phone

Cyclist clearly failing to use observation, anticipation & hazard
awareness skills.

He should have been charged with criminal damage to the car door.

It *is* odd that cyclists expect sufficient clearance when being
overtaken that they can perform a deviation in course as wide as they
choose (the "wobble") and still not be hit even when they suddenly veer
into the path of overtaking traffic, whilst on the other hand, they (or
some of them at least) cannot be trusted to do a simple thing like stay
a few feet away from the offside of a stationary passenger vehicle where
disgorging of its occupants (with always at least one alighting from the
offside) is easily prdictable and whose occupants can actually be seen
(by those who can be bothered to look).

I typically travel along highways faster than a cyclist would and could
therefore claim that I need even more notice of a vehicle door being
opened in my path, yet in probably something approaching a half million
miles of driving in urban areas, I have never even come close to hitting
a vehicle's opening or opened door, or an emerging vehicle occupant.

I've never opened a car door into ther path of another road user
because all my vehicles are fitted with a reflective piece of glass
bolted to the door

Or in other words, motorists use anticipation, observation & hazard
awareness skills.

Perhaps cyclists should be fitted with functioning brains?


--
Dave - Cyclists VORC
Bicycles are for Children. Like masturbation, something you should grow
out of.
There is something seriously sick and stunted about grown men who want
to ride a bike."

On 04/05/2013 11:38, Cassandra wrote:
On Fri, 03 May 2013 20:46:40 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

On 03/05/2013 20:34, Dave- Cyclists VORC wrote:

On 03/05/2013 11:53, CJB wrote:

Labour MP Margaret Hodge accused of flooring cyclist with her car door
while talking on mobile phone

Cyclist clearly failing to use observation, anticipation & hazard
awareness skills.

He should have been charged with criminal damage to the car door.

It *is* odd that cyclists expect sufficient clearance when being
overtaken that they can perform a deviation in course as wide as they
choose (the "wobble") and still not be hit even when they suddenly veer
into the path of overtaking traffic, whilst on the other hand, they (or
some of them at least) cannot be trusted to do a simple thing like stay
a few feet away from the offside of a stationary passenger vehicle where
disgorging of its occupants (with always at least one alighting from the
offside) is easily prdictable and whose occupants can actually be seen
(by those who can be bothered to look).

I typically travel along highways faster than a cyclist would and could
therefore claim that I need even more notice of a vehicle door being
opened in my path, yet in probably something approaching a half million
miles of driving in urban areas, I have never even come close to hitting
a vehicle's opening or opened door, or an emerging vehicle occupant.

I've never opened a car door into ther path of another road user
because all my vehicles are fitted with a reflective piece of glass
bolted to the door

Bully for you.

On 04/05/2013 11:40, Squashme wrote:
On May 3, 8:46 pm, JNugent wrote:
On 03/05/2013 20:34, Dave- Cyclists VORC wrote:

On 03/05/2013 11:53, CJB wrote:
Labour MP Margaret Hodge accused of flooring cyclist with her car door
while talking on mobile phone
Cyclist clearly failing to use observation, anticipation & hazard
awareness skills.
He should have been charged with criminal damage to the car door.

It *is* odd that cyclists expect sufficient clearance when being
overtaken that they can perform a deviation in course as wide as they
choose (the "wobble") and still not be hit even when they suddenly veer
into the path of overtaking traffic, whilst on the other hand, they (or
some of them at least) cannot be trusted to do a simple thing like stay
a few feet away from the offside of a stationary passenger vehicle where
disgorging of its occupants (with always at least one alighting from the
offside) is easily prdictable and whose occupants can actually be seen
(by those who can be bothered to look).

I typically travel along highways faster than a cyclist would and could
therefore claim that I need even more notice of a vehicle door being
opened in my path, yet in probably something approaching a half million
miles of driving in urban areas, I have never even come close to hitting
a vehicle's opening or opened door, or an emerging vehicle occupant.

It's a mystery that motorists manage to see cars, isn't it?

What are you talking about?

On 04/05/2013 11:40, Squashme wrote:
On May 3, 8:46 pm, JNugent wrote:
On 03/05/2013 20:34, Dave- Cyclists VORC wrote:

On 03/05/2013 11:53, CJB wrote:
Labour MP Margaret Hodge accused of flooring cyclist with her car door
while talking on mobile phone
Cyclist clearly failing to use observation, anticipation & hazard
awareness skills.
He should have been charged with criminal damage to the car door.

It *is* odd that cyclists expect sufficient clearance when being
overtaken that they can perform a deviation in course as wide as they
choose (the "wobble") and still not be hit even when they suddenly veer
into the path of overtaking traffic, whilst on the other hand, they (or
some of them at least) cannot be trusted to do a simple thing like stay
a few feet away from the offside of a stationary passenger vehicle where
disgorging of its occupants (with always at least one alighting from the
offside) is easily prdictable and whose occupants can actually be seen
(by those who can be bothered to look).

I typically travel along highways faster than a cyclist would and could
therefore claim that I need even more notice of a vehicle door being
opened in my path, yet in probably something approaching a half million
miles of driving in urban areas, I have never even come close to hitting
a vehicle's opening or opened door, or an emerging vehicle occupant.

It's a mystery that motorists manage to see cars, isn't it?

This issue is nothing to do with "motorists" (I assume you mean drivers
and other vehicle occupants) seeing or not seeing cars. It's to do with
cyclists seeing or not seeing other people.

On Fri, 03 May 2013 20:46:40 +0100, JNugent wrote:

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I typically travel along highways faster than a cyclist would and could
therefore claim that I need even more notice of a vehicle door being
opened in my path, yet in probably something approaching a half million
miles of driving in urban areas, I have never even come close to hitting
a vehicle's opening or opened door, or an emerging vehicle occupant.


I suspect that you actually look where you are going and do not stare down at
the road just in front of your front wheels whilst listening to music on your
noise canceling headphones.

(I quite miss Captain Troll Buster)

On Sat, 04 May 2013 17:03:34 +0100, Phil W Lee wrote:

snip


Not all of them do.
But they are frequently protected from the consequences by their steel
overcoat, and by the laxity of the police and CPS in applying the law
to such cases.


Is it true that your formally advise the police on the law?

(May I have some more milk please)

On May 4, 3:46*pm, JNugent wrote:
On 04/05/2013 11:40, Squashme wrote:









On May 3, 8:46 pm, JNugent wrote:
On 03/05/2013 20:34, Dave- Cyclists VORC wrote:

On 03/05/2013 11:53, CJB wrote:
Labour MP Margaret Hodge accused of flooring cyclist with her car door
while talking on mobile phone
Cyclist clearly failing to use observation, anticipation & hazard
awareness skills.
He should have been charged with criminal damage to the car door.

It *is* odd that cyclists expect sufficient clearance when being
overtaken that they can perform a deviation in course as wide as they
choose (the "wobble") and still not be hit even when they suddenly veer
into the path of overtaking traffic, whilst on the other hand, they (or
some of them at least) cannot be trusted to do a simple thing like stay
a few feet away from the offside of a stationary passenger vehicle where
disgorging of its occupants (with always at least one alighting from the
offside) is easily prdictable and whose occupants can actually be seen
(by those who can be bothered to look).

I typically travel along highways faster than a cyclist would and could
therefore claim that I need even more notice of a vehicle door being
opened in my path, yet in probably something approaching a half million
miles of driving in urban areas, I have never even come close to hitting
a vehicle's opening or opened door, or an emerging vehicle occupant.

It's a mystery that motorists manage to see cars, isn't it?

This issue is nothing to do with "motorists"

Oh, I see. It's the cyclists who open the doors is it?

On 04/05/2013 21:52, Squashme wrote:
On May 4, 3:46 pm, JNugent wrote:
On 04/05/2013 11:40, Squashme wrote:









On May 3, 8:46 pm, JNugent wrote:
On 03/05/2013 20:34, Dave- Cyclists VORC wrote:

On 03/05/2013 11:53, CJB wrote:
Labour MP Margaret Hodge accused of flooring cyclist with her car door
while talking on mobile phone
Cyclist clearly failing to use observation, anticipation & hazard
awareness skills.
He should have been charged with criminal damage to the car door.

It *is* odd that cyclists expect sufficient clearance when being
overtaken that they can perform a deviation in course as wide as they
choose (the "wobble") and still not be hit even when they suddenly veer
into the path of overtaking traffic, whilst on the other hand, they (or
some of them at least) cannot be trusted to do a simple thing like stay
a few feet away from the offside of a stationary passenger vehicle where
disgorging of its occupants (with always at least one alighting from the
offside) is easily prdictable and whose occupants can actually be seen
(by those who can be bothered to look).

I typically travel along highways faster than a cyclist would and could
therefore claim that I need even more notice of a vehicle door being
opened in my path, yet in probably something approaching a half million
miles of driving in urban areas, I have never even come close to hitting
a vehicle's opening or opened door, or an emerging vehicle occupant.

It's a mystery that motorists manage to see cars, isn't it?

This issue is nothing to do with "motorists"

Oh, I see. It's the cyclists who open the doors is it?

It is (some) cyclists who fail to see the doors, possibly - nay,
probably - because they are not looking far enough ahead.

You'd have to agree that it's odd how in some cases, those Youtube
videos made with a camera strapped to the forehead focus on the tarmac
under, or only just in front of, the bicycle, with only an occasional
and perfunctory raising of the camera angle demonstrating some attempt
to see what's ahead.

Such cyclists cannot possible be keeping a proper lookout. Yet it's all
there to be seen. I have never ever failed to spot a door being opened
in front of me in time to take whatever action is necessary in order to
avoid a collision, and I bet that neither have you.