mavic rims suck?

If you must have a skinny tire bike check out the tandem websites.
They do make 32 hole and 36 hole rims that will take that much abuse.
Go to bikelist.org and do a search under fir rialto one guy is using
this rim with 24 spokes on his triple.

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:47:54 -0800, "Mike S." mikeshaw2@coxDOTnet
wrote:

"Chris B." wrote in message
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Which lays the blame for the ongoing ****tiness of the rims at the
blind brand loyalist's feet. Unfortunately, even companies who are
willing to make products which aren't junk are forced to jazz them up
with silly features to stay in the market. It's a sad state of
affairs for people who want equipment that is reasonably durable.

How F#$%-ing reasonably durable do you want?

Rims which fail by cracking, particularly at the spoke holes are, in
my opinion inferior and unacceptable.

For every person spouting off with "Mavic is crap!" there are hundreds of rims
out there with NO PROBLEMS.

The comparison you draw above is meaningless.

Still, I hadn't realized that you have collected data on this; no
wonder you speak so authoritively.

I know of guys riding new Mavic rims, old Mavic rims, and even somewhere in
the middle. More often than not, the reason they get replaced is accidents.

More meaninglessness.

I'm not particularly enamored of Mavic rims, but bashing them constantly is
getting on my nerves.

Your hysterical defensiveness suggests otherwise.

I'd suggest that we take a poll of how long we've
been riding Mavic rims and the problems we've had.

Given your incredible outrage, I would have thought that you had
collected lots of data on this.

Yet you accuse others of 'spouting off'.

If you are serious about using this newsgroup as a method of data
collection, some Google groups searching will produce plenty of
results - with a ton of complaints about Mavic rims cracking about the
spoke holes.

I'll admit that I find it extremely humourous that the many victims of
cracked Mavic rims repeatedly go back for more. It's like a cult.

I've had two Mavic rims in 18 years of riding that failed by cracking at the
nipples. The rest of the wheels I've ever ridden have been fine.

You have said essentially nothing here. I could explain why, but I
think it would be a waste of time as you have shown time and time
again that you are simply an airhead.

You?

My grandmother smoked her whole life and never got cancer.

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The MA3- indeed the entire Mavic line IMHO- is crap.
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Hmmm..... your opinion. Be it ever so humble. I'm curious - what do
you ride? Please tell me so I can post that they suck - whether they
do or not - and we can argue about whether your rims'manufacturer's
marketing department is better than mine.

Your sweeping generalization is almost as valuable as my N of 4.

App

Mike S. wrote:

Maybe I've been "lucky" in the 18 years I've been riding, but somehow I
doubt it... See my post above poll.

Doesn't sound to me like you've been lucky -- you just said in a previous
post that you've had two Mavic rims crack at the eyelets in 18 years. It
sounds like you just have lower expectations from your rims.

--
Benjamin Lewis

Dinosaurs aren't extinct. They've just learned to hide in the trees.

Mike S. wrote:


I've had two Mavic rims in 18 years of riding that failed by cracking at the
nipples. The rest of the wheels I've ever ridden have been fine.

You?


Other than Mavics the only rim I've had fail was an Araya RM-20 that
eventually wore through the braking surface. I have had spokes pull
through a Mavic X-517, I've had a 517 split along spoke holes underneath
the rim strip, and I have 4 friends that have had both happen. Sorry, but
neither of these types of failure should happen on ANY rim.

Greg
--
"Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late,
the battles we fought were long and hard,
just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 23:21:48 GMT, Chris B.
wrote:

Rims which fail by cracking, particularly at the spoke holes are, in
my opinion inferior and unacceptable.

How *should* rims fail?

Cracking at spoke holes is just one common failure mode. A few others
I've seen a
- brake wall wear
- sidewall fracture
- crashes

Cracks at spoke holes are most often fatigue cracks, not overload.
Different rims can last for greater or fewer cycles before this
happens. Many factors go into how long: anodizing, wall thickness,
knit lines in the extrusion, single eyelets or double, spoke tension
and number, etc.

How many cycles do you want? What compromises are you willing to
tolerate?

dianne_1234 wrote:
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 23:21:48 GMT, Chris B.
wrote:


Rims which fail by cracking, particularly at the spoke holes are, in
my opinion inferior and unacceptable.


How *should* rims fail?

Cracking at spoke holes is just one common failure mode.

Cracking at the spoke hole from running proper tension shouldn't be a
"common failure mode".

Greg
--
"Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late,
the battles we fought were long and hard,
just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons

dianne_1234 wrote:

How *should* rims fail?

Wearing out at the sidewalls. Hopefully they'll be measured for wear, and
retired before they actually fail. Mavic rims rarely make it that far these
days though, due to design and manufacturing flaws (especially cracking at the
spoke holes).

Matt O.

"G.T." wrote in message
. com...
Mike S. wrote:


I've had two Mavic rims in 18 years of riding that failed by cracking at
the
nipples. The rest of the wheels I've ever ridden have been fine.

You?


Other than Mavics the only rim I've had fail was an Araya RM-20 that
eventually wore through the braking surface. I have had spokes pull
through a Mavic X-517, I've had a 517 split along spoke holes underneath
the rim strip, and I have 4 friends that have had both happen. Sorry, but
neither of these types of failure should happen on ANY rim.

Greg
--
"Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late,
the battles we fought were long and hard,
just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons

Yeah, I wore through the side of the rim of a pair of RM20s too. That was
WAY back when!

Mike

"Matt O'Toole" wrote in message
...
dianne_1234 wrote:

How *should* rims fail?

Wearing out at the sidewalls. Hopefully they'll be measured for wear, and
retired before they actually fail. Mavic rims rarely make it that far
these
days though, due to design and manufacturing flaws (especially cracking at
the
spoke holes).

Matt O.

I don't know about you, but I've never worn thru the sidewall of a road rim,
ever. Mtn rims, yes.

Most of the road rims I've gone thru were destroyed in crashes.

Mike