Sort of Comical

Some time while I was still out of it with the concussion I guess power meters became all the rage for awhile. Now perhaps if you are a racer, knowing how much power you can put out for how long is a bit of base information you should know, but for the average rider who were buying these things head over heals, it means absolutely nothing.

Now in the local craigslist they are trying to unload these power meters for a small fortune and I don't believe that they've moved a one. Power meter pedals? Power meter cranks (one or two sided) and even power meter rear hubs as if someone is going to buy these half to one grand hubs and have a wheels built around them.

But it is sort of good for a laugh that now that incomes are being limited by Governor Loathsome, they are realizing what a useless and expensive purchase they made. And are wildly looking for for another sucker which have disappeared into the woodwork as food money is growing ever more scarce as the supermarkets are taking advantage of the crashed economy to kick prices through the ceiling.

On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 12:07:01 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
Some time while I was still out of it with the concussion I guess power meters became all the rage for awhile. Now perhaps if you are a racer, knowing how much power you can put out for how long is a bit of base information you should know, but for the average rider who were buying these things head over heals, it means absolutely nothing.

Now in the local craigslist they are trying to unload these power meters for a small fortune and I don't believe that they've moved a one. Power meter pedals? Power meter cranks (one or two sided) and even power meter rear hubs as if someone is going to buy these half to one grand hubs and have a wheels built around them.

But it is sort of good for a laugh that now that incomes are being limited by Governor Loathsome, they are realizing what a useless and expensive purchase they made. And are wildly looking for for another sucker which have disappeared into the woodwork as food money is growing ever more scarce as the supermarkets are taking advantage of the crashed economy to kick prices through the ceiling.


I don't know what universe you're living in, but power meters have been around for a long time. Stages is the best because their office is in Portland with manufacturing in Boulder, and my son used to work there and still hangs out with the Stages guys when he comes to town. https://stagescycling.com/us/ https://www.cyclingnews.com/features...s-for-cycling/


They just sent him a free Dash head unit, which he likes better than his Garmin. When the Stages power meters aren't sold out, they're relatively cheap for a left arm only -- and you can even have the measuring unit installed on an existing crank arm. I don't want one because it is just another way of seeing how bad I suck, but I ride with a lot of guys who love them.

-- Jay Beattie.

jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 12:07:01 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
Some time while I was still out of it with the concussion I guess power
meters became all the rage for awhile. Now perhaps if you are a racer,
knowing how much power you can put out for how long is a bit of base
information you should know, but for the average rider who were buying
these things head over heals, it means absolutely nothing.

Now in the local craigslist they are trying to unload these power meters
for a small fortune and I don't believe that they've moved a one. Power
meter pedals? Power meter cranks (one or two sided) and even power meter
rear hubs as if someone is going to buy these half to one grand hubs and
have a wheels built around them.

But it is sort of good for a laugh that now that incomes are being
limited by Governor Loathsome, they are realizing what a useless and
expensive purchase they made. And are wildly looking for for another
sucker which have disappeared into the woodwork as food money is growing
ever more scarce as the supermarkets are taking advantage of the crashed
economy to kick prices through the ceiling.


I don't know what universe you're living in, but power meters have been
around for a long time. Stages is the best because their office is in
Portland with manufacturing in Boulder, and my son used to work there and
still hangs out with the Stages guys when he comes to town.
https://stagescycling.com/us
https://www.cyclingnews.com/features...s-for-cycling/


They just sent him a free Dash head unit, which he likes better than his
Garmin. When the Stages power meters aren't sold out, they're relatively
cheap for a left arm only -- and you can even have the measuring unit
installed on an existing crank arm. I don't want one because it is just
another way of seeing how bad I suck, but I ride with a lot of guys who love them.

-- Jay Beattie.


As a fat, slow, cheap engineer, I like the idea of power meters, but I’m
not willing to pay much money for the data. I had liked the original
concept for the iQ2 (Power Meter built into a pedal spacer), but then they
switched to a pedal based design incompatible with the cleats I normally
use. The Velocomp PowerPod looks to be an interesting compromise between
accuracy and cost and as soon as I can clear enough space on my bars for
“one more device�, I might get one.

On 9/12/2020 4:33 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:

As a fat, slow, cheap engineer, I like the idea of power meters, but I’m
not willing to pay much money for the data. I had liked the original
concept for the iQ2 (Power Meter built into a pedal spacer), but then they
switched to a pedal based design incompatible with the cleats I normally
use. The Velocomp PowerPod looks to be an interesting compromise between
accuracy and cost and as soon as I can clear enough space on my bars for
“one more device�, I might get one.

I'm also a fat (or maybe slightly overweight), slow, cheap engineer, but
I don't get the fascination with power meters.

I can easily see their value in time trialing, and thus in training for
time trialing. ISTM they have somewhat less value in other types of
racing, where you must choose your effort level based on other factors
besides your own personal limits.

But for non-competitive riding - why? If you want to train to be faster
(um... for non-competitive riding?) isn't a notebook and a stopwatch or
an average speed readout sufficient?

On our 30-something mile ride today, I looked at my Average Speed
readout a couple times, only out of curiosity. The rest of the time I
looked at the scenery. That was really why I was out there - besides to
get to the hardware store.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 9/12/2020 7:50 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/12/2020 4:33 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:

As a fat, slow, cheap engineer, I like the idea of power meters, but I’m
not willing to pay much money for the data. I had liked the original
concept for the iQ2 (Power Meter built into a pedal spacer), but then
they
switched to a pedal based design incompatible with the cleats I normally
use. The Velocomp PowerPod looks to be an interesting compromise between
accuracy and cost and as soon as I can clear enough space on my bars for
“one more device�, I might get one.

I'm also a fat (or maybe slightly overweight), slow, cheap engineer, but
I don't get the fascination with power meters.

I can easily see their value in time trialing, and thus in training for
time trialing. ISTM they have somewhat less value in other types of
racing, where you must choose your effort level based on other factors
besides your own personal limits.

But for non-competitive riding - why? If you want to train to be faster
(um... for non-competitive riding?) isn't a notebook and a stopwatch or
an average speed readout sufficient?

On our 30-something mile ride today, I looked at my Average Speed
readout a couple times, only out of curiosity. The rest of the time I
looked at the scenery. That was really why I was out there - besides to
get to the hardware store.

BTW, Calvin & Hobbes _Chewing_ magazine was based on _Bicycling_ mag.

https://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/...0/ch950427.gif


--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/12/2020 4:33 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:

As a fat, slow, cheap engineer, I like the idea of power meters, but I’m
not willing to pay much money for the data. I had liked the original
concept for the iQ2 (Power Meter built into a pedal spacer), but then they
switched to a pedal based design incompatible with the cleats I normally
use. The Velocomp PowerPod looks to be an interesting compromise between
accuracy and cost and as soon as I can clear enough space on my bars for
“one more device�, I might get one.

I'm also a fat (or maybe slightly overweight), slow, cheap engineer, but
I don't get the fascination with power meters.

I can easily see their value in time trialing, and thus in training for
time trialing. ISTM they have somewhat less value in other types of
racing, where you must choose your effort level based on other factors
besides your own personal limits.

But for non-competitive riding - why? If you want to train to be faster
(um... for non-competitive riding?) isn't a notebook and a stopwatch or
an average speed readout sufficient?

On our 30-something mile ride today, I looked at my Average Speed
readout a couple times, only out of curiosity. The rest of the time I
looked at the scenery. That was really why I was out there - besides to
get to the hardware store.


But Frank, IT’S DATA!!! Are you sure you’re really an engineer? That’s a
remarkably liberal arts approach you’re taking to cycling there. :-)

On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 19:50:35 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

But for non-competitive riding - why? If you want to train to be faster
(um... for non-competitive riding?) isn't a notebook and a stopwatch or
an average speed readout sufficient?

At some point when I was first learning how to ride on roads, I
realized that if I wanted to go farther, I was going to have to learn
how to go faster.

But a notebook and a pocket watch are all I've ever used. Measuring
speed directly is more informative than measuring things that affect
speed.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

Op zondag 13 september 2020 om 01:50:45 UTC+2 schreef Frank Krygowski:
On 9/12/2020 4:33 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:

As a fat, slow, cheap engineer, I like the idea of power meters, but I’m
not willing to pay much money for the data. I had liked the original
concept for the iQ2 (Power Meter built into a pedal spacer), but then they
switched to a pedal based design incompatible with the cleats I normally
use. The Velocomp PowerPod looks to be an interesting compromise between
accuracy and cost and as soon as I can clear enough space on my bars for
“one more device�, I might get one.
I'm also a fat (or maybe slightly overweight), slow, cheap engineer, but
I don't get the fascination with power meters.

I can easily see their value in time trialing, and thus in training for
time trialing. ISTM they have somewhat less value in other types of
racing, where you must choose your effort level based on other factors
besides your own personal limits.

But for non-competitive riding - why? If you want to train to be faster
(um... for non-competitive riding?) isn't a notebook and a stopwatch or
an average speed readout sufficient?

On our 30-something mile ride today, I looked at my Average Speed
readout a couple times, only out of curiosity. The rest of the time I
looked at the scenery. That was really why I was out there - besides to
get to the hardware store.

--
- Frank Krygowski


So a power meter has no value to you. So what?

Lou

On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 4:07:21 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zondag 13 september 2020 om 01:50:45 UTC+2 schreef Frank Krygowski:
On 9/12/2020 4:33 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:

As a fat, slow, cheap engineer, I like the idea of power meters, but I’m
not willing to pay much money for the data. I had liked the original
concept for the iQ2 (Power Meter built into a pedal spacer), but then they
switched to a pedal based design incompatible with the cleats I normally
use. The Velocomp PowerPod looks to be an interesting compromise between
accuracy and cost and as soon as I can clear enough space on my bars for
“one more device�, I might get one.
I'm also a fat (or maybe slightly overweight), slow, cheap engineer, but
I don't get the fascination with power meters.

I can easily see their value in time trialing, and thus in training for
time trialing. ISTM they have somewhat less value in other types of
racing, where you must choose your effort level based on other factors
besides your own personal limits.

But for non-competitive riding - why? If you want to train to be faster
(um... for non-competitive riding?) isn't a notebook and a stopwatch or
an average speed readout sufficient?

On our 30-something mile ride today, I looked at my Average Speed
readout a couple times, only out of curiosity. The rest of the time I
looked at the scenery. That was really why I was out there - besides to
get to the hardware store.

--
- Frank Krygowski


So a power meter has no value to you. So what?

STI has no value to Frank. Your entire stable of high-end bicycles and neatly arranged shoes would have no value to Frank. Do not try to sell any of these things to Frank.

And yes, you do need permission to own a power meter and any other product that did not come standard on a 1965 Schwinn Varsity. https://bikehistory.org/catalogs/ima...rts-bike-2.jpg

My permission charges are very reasonable: $12.95 for a power meter, $9.85 for any Garmin-like device, and varying prices (all USD) for other unnecessary items used by modern cyclists. Lycra charges can be steep, particularly if you wear anything white or with world champion stripes.

Marketing is a powerful thing, and deceived consumers must pay. Upon receipt of payment, you will receive an official, non-transferable, hand embossed permission slip that you should keep with you at all times.

-- Jay Beattie.

On 9/13/2020 7:07 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zondag 13 september 2020 om 01:50:45 UTC+2 schreef Frank Krygowski:
On 9/12/2020 4:33 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:

As a fat, slow, cheap engineer, I like the idea of power meters, but I’m
not willing to pay much money for the data. I had liked the original
concept for the iQ2 (Power Meter built into a pedal spacer), but then they
switched to a pedal based design incompatible with the cleats I normally
use. The Velocomp PowerPod looks to be an interesting compromise between
accuracy and cost and as soon as I can clear enough space on my bars for
“one more device�, I might get one.
I'm also a fat (or maybe slightly overweight), slow, cheap engineer, but
I don't get the fascination with power meters.

I can easily see their value in time trialing, and thus in training for
time trialing. ISTM they have somewhat less value in other types of
racing, where you must choose your effort level based on other factors
besides your own personal limits.

But for non-competitive riding - why? If you want to train to be faster
(um... for non-competitive riding?) isn't a notebook and a stopwatch or
an average speed readout sufficient?

On our 30-something mile ride today, I looked at my Average Speed
readout a couple times, only out of curiosity. The rest of the time I
looked at the scenery. That was really why I was out there - besides to
get to the hardware store.

--
- Frank Krygowski


So a power meter has no value to you. So what?

Is a power meter of value to you? If so, can you explain why?

I explained my position. You should explain yours. This does pretend to
be a _discussion_ group, after all.

--
- Frank Krygowski