Steel frames and le Tour

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:42:24 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:31:08 GMT, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:58:44 -0600, wrote:



Dear John,

In other words, you embarrassed yourself by replying to my one-line
post with the complaint that I'm long winded.


In other words, you're still long-winded

Dear John,

Ah, so two lines to explain things to you for the umpteenth time is
long-winded!

I doubt you'll get to this second line,

I stopped here.

In article ,
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:47:50 -0600, wrote:

Again, the original question was whether a rider could detect a
"noticeably robust forward thrust" with a bike 7 pounds lighter.


Dear Cheery Er cheer fogel er

Er, it's funny how you can define what the "original question" was in
any thread, even a different one.

You're a nut. A nut who has to go on an on about how weight doesn't
matter at all on a bike. Who can even drag that into a thread about
the most competitive bike race on the planet and ramble on and on
about it.

So people overstate the impact of weight? So what? You're the mirror
image of that.

Dears,

Since JT is involved in this thread, I have to be the judge instead (JT
recused).

Carl has the lead in this argument, with the proviso that he has defined
the argument narrowly (but fairly).

I approve of JT's idea that a 7-pound weight makes a difference to
racers, but the size of the difference matters only to racers.

--
Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:20:31 -0600, wrote:


It may really matter to racers, who care about _any_ difference.

It may?

You've been rambling on in a thread which refers to the most
competitive cycling race in the world and that is just beginning to
sink into your brain.

Write write write some more dear Cheers

JT

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:20:31 -0600, wrote:


It may really matter to racers, who care about _any_ difference.

It may?

You've been rambling on in a thread which refers to the most
competitive cycling race in the world and that is just beginning to
sink into your brain.

Write write write some more dear Cheers

Please do not encourage "Dear Carl".

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"People who had no mercy will find none." - Anon.

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:23:24 GMT, Ryan Cousineau
wrote:

In article ,
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:47:50 -0600, wrote:

Again, the original question was whether a rider could detect a
"noticeably robust forward thrust" with a bike 7 pounds lighter.


Dear Cheery Er cheer fogel er

Er, it's funny how you can define what the "original question" was in
any thread, even a different one.

You're a nut. A nut who has to go on an on about how weight doesn't
matter at all on a bike. Who can even drag that into a thread about
the most competitive bike race on the planet and ramble on and on
about it.

So people overstate the impact of weight? So what? You're the mirror
image of that.

Dears,

Since JT is involved in this thread, I have to be the judge instead (JT
recused).

Carl has the lead in this argument, with the proviso that he has defined
the argument narrowly (but fairly).

I approve of JT's idea that a 7-pound weight makes a difference to
racers, but the size of the difference matters only to racers.

Dear Ryan,

My lighter keyboard provided the crucial margin of victory.

:-)

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:01:14 -0700 (PDT), SLAVE of THE STATE
wrote:

On Jul 17, 1:58*pm, wrote:

It only works if the rider is fooled by the way that the bike tips and
heaves underneath him. Otherwise, the "thrust" is reduced to an
awfully hard to notice ~4%.

carl,

Hi. Maybe I get your point. For example, your head is 100% up your
ass. But you seem not to sense it.

HAND,
SoTS

Dear Slave,

Who can dispute such well-argued, well-supported points about
bicycling?

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:24:43 GMT, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:20:31 -0600, wrote:


It may really matter to racers, who care about _any_ difference.

It may?

You've been rambling on in a thread which refers to the most
competitive cycling race in the world and that is just beginning to
sink into your brain.

Write write write some more dear Cheers

JT

Dear John,

What does Thor Hushvod's bicycle weigh, compared to the others?

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:22:19 GMT, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:42:24 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:31:08 GMT, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:58:44 -0600, wrote:



Dear John,

In other words, you embarrassed yourself by replying to my one-line
post with the complaint that I'm long winded.


In other words, you're still long-winded

Dear John,

Ah, so two lines to explain things to you for the umpteenth time is
long-winded!

I doubt you'll get to this second line,

I stopped here.

Dear John,

Good work! Almost twice as far as usual.

Perhaps choosing a lighter font on your system would help you keep up?

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:40:06 -0600, wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:24:43 GMT, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:20:31 -0600, wrote:


It may really matter to racers, who care about _any_ difference.

It may?

You've been rambling on in a thread which refers to the most
competitive cycling race in the world and that is just beginning to
sink into your brain.

Write write write some more dear Cheers

JT

Dear John,

What does Thor Hushvod's bicycle weigh, compared to the others?

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Drat! The shorter the post, the bigger the typo looks:

Hushovd.

Not that John will notice--he rarely reaches the end of the first
line, much less addresses specific matters like weight.

CF

On Jul 17, 8:58*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:40:06 -0600, wrote:
Dear John,

What does Thor Hushvod's bicycle weigh, compared to the others?


Drat! The shorter the post, the bigger the typo looks:

Hushovd.

Not that John will notice--he rarely reaches the end of the first
line, much less addresses specific matters like weight.

CF

I thought we were talking about total weight,
not specific weight.

Carl, you have been needled enough to lose
your cool. One sentence smartass paragraphs
and ad hominem remarks about John's
reading comprehension are inconsistent with
your Dear X salutations and mode of discourse.

Keep up the good work! By the end of the
Tour, you'll be ready for a full 12 month
tour of duty in RBR.

Ben
RBR Pressgang