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  #21  
Old June 14th 21, 08:55 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Jeff Liebermann
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 10:47:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:22:19 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 06:47:39 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:
Your reward will be in Another Place. -- What Boris said, back when he was a journal editor, to a writer who asked for more money. -- AJ

I'm told that my place in hell has been reserved pending my eventual
demise. Haggling over my fee schedule and wages of sin are unlikely
to change the situation. Besides my attempt to save an important web
site from archival ossification, what is it that you find in my
actions that you consider worthy of eternal damnation?


Nothing so cruel as eternal damnation. This is an example of two peoples divided by their common language. "Another place", over here, is a synonym for "Heaven". So, on the contrary, rather than eternal thermal overload, I was offering you eternal boredom or, rather, Boris was. -- AJ


Perhaps yet another place?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Another_place
"Another place" or "the other place" is a euphemism used in many
bicameral parliaments using the Westminster system, including
Australia, Canada and the United Kingdom. A member of one house will
not usually refer directly to the other, but refer to it indirectly
using the phrase "another place" or "the other place". So, for
example, a member of the Senate of Canada would not mention "the House
of Commons" but would use the phrase "the other place".

I suspect Boris might have been referring to his parliament. As for
eternal boredom, I suggest "Don Juan in Hell" by George Bernie Shaw,
wherein hell offers an escape from the endless philosophical
discussions of heaven. Unfortunately, hell offers little in the way
of an alternative for one boring individual in R.B.T., who seems to be
living in a hell of his own creation.

--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272
http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
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  #22  
Old June 14th 21, 09:07 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Jeff Liebermann
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 10:55:52 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 4:35:41 AM UTC+1, wrote:

I don't want to pass around copies until I get permission from John
Allen and/or Harriet Fell. Today (June 13) is the closing day, and I
really don't want to bother them right now. My main concern is to
make sure nothing is lost and that's mostly accoplished (after I check
the download to make sure there's no corruption).


A proper place, especially if a copy can be obtained that reflects Sheldon's own version on the last day he worked on the site, is www.gutenberg.org which probably has a better chance of surviving than any individual's site.


Ummm... that's for eBooks, not web sites. It would not be easy
converting an interactive web site into a static collection of
documents or a book.

Much of https://www.sheldonbrown.com is already archived:
https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://sheldonbrown.com
I can see that there has been some recent changes to the archived
site. I'm getting quite a few 404 (nobody home) errors and suspect I
know the cause (static links). Since someone else seems to be working
on the site, this would be a good time for me to fade back into
obscurity and return to whatever it is I should be doing.

Note: I am not a programmist.

--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272
http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
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Old June 15th 21, 02:06 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 9:07:29 PM UTC+1, wrote:


Note: I am not a programmist.

Program-mist sounds like the air one inhales in a roomful of programmers. --- AJ
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Old June 15th 21, 02:42 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 7:20:37 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/14/2021 12:47 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:22:19 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 06:47:39 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:
Your reward will be in Another Place. -- What Boris said, back when he was a journal editor, to a writer who asked for more money. -- AJ
I'm told that my place in hell has been reserved pending my eventual
demise. Haggling over my fee schedule and wages of sin are unlikely
to change the situation. Besides my attempt to save an important web
site from archival ossification, what is it that you find in my
actions that you consider worthy of eternal damnation?
--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558


Nothing so cruel as eternal damnation. This is an example of two peoples divided by their common language. "Another place", over here, is a synonym for "Heaven". So, on the contrary, rather than eternal thermal overload, I was offering you eternal boredom or, rather, Boris was. -- AJ

I understood it to mean either (or both in the Schrodinger
sense) since mortals cannot know which.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I'm a Calvinist. We believe in pre-destination, which pretty much guarantees one's place in Heaven or Hell at birth; you can't get into Heaven by good deeds but a moral life demonstrates (probably) that you are one of the elect. --- AJ
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Old June 15th 21, 02:45 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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On 6/14/2021 8:42 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 7:20:37 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/14/2021 12:47 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:22:19 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 06:47:39 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:
Your reward will be in Another Place. -- What Boris said, back when he was a journal editor, to a writer who asked for more money. -- AJ
I'm told that my place in hell has been reserved pending my eventual
demise. Haggling over my fee schedule and wages of sin are unlikely
to change the situation. Besides my attempt to save an important web
site from archival ossification, what is it that you find in my
actions that you consider worthy of eternal damnation?
--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Nothing so cruel as eternal damnation. This is an example of two peoples divided by their common language. "Another place", over here, is a synonym for "Heaven". So, on the contrary, rather than eternal thermal overload, I was offering you eternal boredom or, rather, Boris was. -- AJ

I understood it to mean either (or both in the Schrodinger
sense) since mortals cannot know which.



I'm a Calvinist. We believe in pre-destination, which pretty much guarantees one's place in Heaven or Hell at birth; you can't get into Heaven by good deeds but a moral life demonstrates (probably) that you are one of the elect. --- AJ


Calvin, Schrodinger, whatever.
You still don't actually know that.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


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Old June 15th 21, 03:17 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 6/14/2021 4:07 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 10:55:52 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 4:35:41 AM UTC+1, wrote:

I don't want to pass around copies until I get permission from John
Allen and/or Harriet Fell. Today (June 13) is the closing day, and I
really don't want to bother them right now. My main concern is to
make sure nothing is lost and that's mostly accoplished (after I check
the download to make sure there's no corruption).


A proper place, especially if a copy can be obtained that reflects Sheldon's own version on the last day he worked on the site, is www.gutenberg.org which probably has a better chance of surviving than any individual's site.


Ummm... that's for eBooks, not web sites. It would not be easy
converting an interactive web site into a static collection of
documents or a book.

Much of https://www.sheldonbrown.com is already archived:
https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://sheldonbrown.com
I can see that there has been some recent changes to the archived
site. I'm getting quite a few 404 (nobody home) errors and suspect I
know the cause (static links). Since someone else seems to be working
on the site, this would be a good time for me to fade back into
obscurity and return to whatever it is I should be doing.


A reliable source tells me sheldonbrown.com is not going away, even
though Harris Cyclery is. I'm told not to worry.


--
- Frank Krygowski
  #27  
Old June 15th 21, 12:12 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
SMS
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On 6/13/2021 8:35 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

snio

It just finished downloading.
1.95 GBytes, 17,286 files, 4,196 folders.


I ran WinHTTrack as well.

5.56 GB (5,976,820,140 bytes)
54,979 Files, 29,485 Folders

In the log, at the end, it said "Panic: Too many URLs, giving
up..(100000)"
  #28  
Old June 15th 21, 01:29 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 2:45:24 AM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/14/2021 8:42 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 7:20:37 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/14/2021 12:47 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:22:19 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 06:47:39 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:
Your reward will be in Another Place. -- What Boris said, back when he was a journal editor, to a writer who asked for more money. -- AJ
I'm told that my place in hell has been reserved pending my eventual
demise. Haggling over my fee schedule and wages of sin are unlikely
to change the situation. Besides my attempt to save an important web
site from archival ossification, what is it that you find in my
actions that you consider worthy of eternal damnation?
--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Nothing so cruel as eternal damnation. This is an example of two peoples divided by their common language. "Another place", over here, is a synonym for "Heaven". So, on the contrary, rather than eternal thermal overload, I was offering you eternal boredom or, rather, Boris was. -- AJ

I understood it to mean either (or both in the Schrodinger
sense) since mortals cannot know which.

I'm a Calvinist. We believe in pre-destination, which pretty much guarantees one's place in Heaven or Hell at birth; you can't get into Heaven by good deeds but a moral life demonstrates (probably) that you are one of the elect. --- AJ

Calvin, Schrodinger, whatever.
You still don't actually know that.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

..
An old roue lay dying. The doctor rose from examining him and shook his head.. The priest bent over to whisper into his ear: "With your last breath, will you denounce the Devil and all his works?" The dying old man opened one eye and said, "Now is not the time to make new enemies." -- Old French joke -- AJ
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Old June 15th 21, 03:10 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Ralph Barone[_4_]
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sms wrote:
On 6/13/2021 8:35 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

snio

It just finished downloading.
1.95 GBytes, 17,286 files, 4,196 folders.


I ran WinHTTrack as well.

5.56 GB (5,976,820,140 bytes)
54,979 Files, 29,485 Folders

In the log, at the end, it said "Panic: Too many URLs, giving
up..(100000)"


I bet at least half of that is ads. I’m. It not sure how one might download
the content but expunge the ads (and the links to them)

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Old June 15th 21, 07:10 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Jeff Liebermann
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 04:12:29 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 6/13/2021 8:35 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
It just finished downloading.
1.95 GBytes, 17,286 files, 4,196 folders.


I ran WinHTTrack as well.

5.56 GB (5,976,820,140 bytes)
54,979 Files, 29,485 Folders

In the log, at the end, it said "Panic: Too many URLs, giving
up..(100000)"


My guess(tm) is that HTTrack tried to download too many offsite links.

Set Options - Limits - Maximum Mirror Depth - (blank)
Set Options - Limits - Maximum External Depth - (blank)

If you punch the "help" button on the "Limits" tab page, you get:

Maximum mirror depth
Define how deep will the engine seek in the site. A depth of 3 means
that you will catch all pages you have indicated, plus all that can be
accessed clicking twice on any link
Note: This option is not filled by default, so the depth is infinite.
But because the engine will stay on the site you indicated, only the
desired sites will be mirrored, and not all the web!

Maximum external depth
Define how deep will the engine seek in external sites, or on
addresses that were forbidden.
Normally, HTTrack will not go on external sites by default (except if
authorized by filters), and will avoid addresses forbidden by filters.
You can override this behavior, and tell the engine to catch N levels
of "external" sites.
Note: Use this option with great care, as it is overriding all other
options (filters and default engine limiter)
Note: This option is not filled by default, so the depth is equal to
zero.

I left both settings blank (default) and it worked. To be honest, I
don't really understand the difference between these two settings and
how they work. The error message seems to indicate a problem with one
or both settings. The help button shows the default settings for each
tab and setting.

I changed only the following from their defaults:
Row Control - Number of Connections - 8
Row Control - Persistent Connections - [x]
Links - Get non-HTML files etc [x]
Everything else was set to default values.

To keep HTTrack on the site and not wandering all over the internet, I
noticed that the start directory had to be the same URL that was being
searching and could NOT rely on redirection from http - https. On
the Project page, make sure it's https and www as in:
https://www.sheldonbrown.com
That might also have been the problem.

There's no robots.txt file, so you can ignore that setting.

I noticed that HTTrack adds a comment to each page indicated that the
file had been downloaded with HTTrack. I probably should have turned
it off with:
Browser ID - HTML footer - (blank)

I'm not sure if it's easier to try and clean up what you have already
downloaded, or just start over. Offhand, starting over might be
easier and more reliable.

Good luck.
--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272
http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 




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