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Interesting Article On How Cars Took Over the Road
On 31/08/2018 13:13, NY wrote:
"JNugent" wrote in message ... The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are obliged to give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which they are turning in both the UK and the USA. Being obliged to give way to pedestrians who are actually crossing (ie they're already in the road) makes a lot of sense, on a best-endeavours basis if not a legal obligation, just as you would do you best to avoid someone crossing anywhere else. But does UK and US law actually require you to stop for someone who is waiting on the pavement to cross: is there a portion of every road junction which has *implicit* zebra-crossing rules? In the UK, the 'footway' is part of the 'road' and the rule is that pedestrians already crossing the 'road' have priority. But if you are waiting (e.g. with earphones on, looking at a hand held device, by a pelicon crossing), it may not be clear what you intend to do. As a pedestrian, I would never step off the pavement unless I could see that the road was clear: I would never *make* a car stop for me with the single exception of a zebra crossing. What do you mean by clear (vehicles moving away, vehicles 400 yards away)? |
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Simon Jester wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 10:37:17 AM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote: On 31/08/18 00:06, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 21:29, TMS320 wrote: On 30/08/18 19:32, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 15:20, TMS320 wrote: On 30/08/18 14:25, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 00:19, TMS320 wrote: On 29/08/18 20:56, Bret Cahill wrote: This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with little attempt to hide the plagiarism: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797 Visiting your side of the water a couple of years ago, I found the larger towns and cities very walkable. Probably because they tend to be in grids, there usually isn't much reason to cross except at intersections. Roads are wider so th ecrossing time requires larger gaps between vehicles but, compared to the UK, intersections with sidewalks are better marked and, unlike the UK, drivers give way when turning. The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are obliged to give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which they are turning in both the UK and the USA. The American right (in most places) to turn right against a red traffic light does not undermine that. Obligation and practice are not necessarily the same thing. My observed experience is clearly different from yours. Drivers in the UK and the USA do generally give way where they are supposed to, subject always to the fact that a small minority either flout the law or are ignorant of it. If only one could say the same of cyclists, the majority of whom appear oblivious to this and most other traffic rules (that's putting it charitably). Since you don't walk far how would you know? What? Perhaps an internet translation helps... Since yous dun corky and chalk dead far 'ow would ye nah? Please remember Nugent is a long term mental health inmate. The fact that it believes motorists give way to pedestrians at junctions demonstrates that it has not walked on a public street for several decades. If nobody else has told you that you are boring ****, please allow me to be the first to tell you that you are a boring ****. |
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On 31/08/18 15:34, Simon Jester wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 10:37:17 AM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote: On 31/08/18 00:06, JNugent wrote: What? Perhaps an internet translation helps... Since yous dun corky and chalk dead far 'ow would ye nah? Please remember Nugent is a long term mental health inmate. The fact that it believes motorists give way to pedestrians at junctions demonstrates that it has not walked on a public street for several decades. Indeed. Unfortunately Nugent doesn't know it. |
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On 31/08/18 13:53, JNugent wrote:
On 31/08/2018 13:15, TMS320 wrote: On 31/08/18 10:59, JNugent wrote: On 31/08/2018 10:37, TMS320 wrote: On 31/08/18 00:06, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 21:29, TMS320 wrote: On 30/08/18 19:32, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 15:20, TMS320 wrote: On 30/08/18 14:25, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 00:19, TMS320 wrote: On 29/08/18 20:56, Bret Cahill wrote: This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with little attempt to hide the plagiarism: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797 Visiting your side of the water a couple of years ago, I found the larger towns and cities very walkable. Probably because they tend to be in grids, there usually isn't much reason to cross except at intersections. Roads are wider so th ecrossing time requires larger gaps between vehicles but, compared to the UK, intersections with sidewalks are better marked and, unlike the UK, drivers give way when turning. The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are obliged to give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which they are turning in both the UK and the USA. The American right (in most places) to turn right against a red traffic light does not undermine that. Obligation and practice are not necessarily the same thing. My observed experience is clearly different from yours. Drivers in the UK and the USA do generally give way where they are supposed to, subject always to the fact that a small minority either flout the law or are ignorant of it. If only one could say the same of cyclists, the majority of whom appear oblivious to this and most other traffic rules (that's putting it charitably). Since you don't walk far how would you know? What? Perhaps an internet translation helps... Since yous dun corky and chalk dead far 'ow would ye nah? You get more weird with every post, it seems. You want weird? On 07/06/18 17:23, JNugent wrote: "It all arises out of experience and acquired information, much of it gained in this very NG". You should cease having fantasies about your "observed experiences" being of value. You seem to think it is not possible to acquire information via reading. Wrong. You lumped experience and information together in the phrase I quoted. You cannot acquire both from reading. With experience you get the ability to filter information, instead of taking it in at face value. |
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On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 7:30:49 PM UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Simon Jester wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 10:37:17 AM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote: On 31/08/18 00:06, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 21:29, TMS320 wrote: On 30/08/18 19:32, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 15:20, TMS320 wrote: On 30/08/18 14:25, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 00:19, TMS320 wrote: On 29/08/18 20:56, Bret Cahill wrote: This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with little attempt to hide the plagiarism: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797 Visiting your side of the water a couple of years ago, I found the larger towns and cities very walkable. Probably because they tend to be in grids, there usually isn't much reason to cross except at intersections. Roads are wider so th ecrossing time requires larger gaps between vehicles but, compared to the UK, intersections with sidewalks are better marked and, unlike the UK, drivers give way when turning. The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are obliged to give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which they are turning in both the UK and the USA. The American right (in most places) to turn right against a red traffic light does not undermine that. Obligation and practice are not necessarily the same thing. My observed experience is clearly different from yours. Drivers in the UK and the USA do generally give way where they are supposed to, subject always to the fact that a small minority either flout the law or are ignorant of it. If only one could say the same of cyclists, the majority of whom appear oblivious to this and most other traffic rules (that's putting it charitably). Since you don't walk far how would you know? What? Perhaps an internet translation helps... Since yous dun corky and chalk dead far 'ow would ye nah? Please remember Nugent is a long term mental health inmate. The fact that it believes motorists give way to pedestrians at junctions demonstrates that it has not walked on a public street for several decades. If nobody else has told you that you are boring ****, please allow me to be the first to tell you that you are a boring ****. There is no way you can ever understand how little I care what you think. |
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On 31/08/2018 20:37, Simon Jester wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 7:30:49 PM UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: Simon Jester wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 10:37:17 AM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote: On 31/08/18 00:06, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 21:29, TMS320 wrote: On 30/08/18 19:32, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 15:20, TMS320 wrote: On 30/08/18 14:25, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 00:19, TMS320 wrote: On 29/08/18 20:56, Bret Cahill wrote: This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with little attempt to hide the plagiarism: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797 Visiting your side of the water a couple of years ago, I found the larger towns and cities very walkable. Probably because they tend to be in grids, there usually isn't much reason to cross except at intersections. Roads are wider so th ecrossing time requires larger gaps between vehicles but, compared to the UK, intersections with sidewalks are better marked and, unlike the UK, drivers give way when turning. The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are obliged to give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which they are turning in both the UK and the USA. The American right (in most places) to turn right against a red traffic light does not undermine that. Obligation and practice are not necessarily the same thing. My observed experience is clearly different from yours. Drivers in the UK and the USA do generally give way where they are supposed to, subject always to the fact that a small minority either flout the law or are ignorant of it. If only one could say the same of cyclists, the majority of whom appear oblivious to this and most other traffic rules (that's putting it charitably). Since you don't walk far how would you know? What? Perhaps an internet translation helps... Since yous dun corky and chalk dead far 'ow would ye nah? Please remember Nugent is a long term mental health inmate. The fact that it believes motorists give way to pedestrians at junctions demonstrates that it has not walked on a public street for several decades. If nobody else has told you that you are boring ****, please allow me to be the first to tell you that you are a boring ****. There is no way you can ever understand how little I care what you think. Probably a lot more than I care what you "think". |
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On 31/08/2018 20:21, TMS320 wrote:
On 31/08/18 13:53, JNugent wrote: On 31/08/2018 13:15, TMS320 wrote: On 31/08/18 10:59, JNugent wrote: On 31/08/2018 10:37, TMS320 wrote: On 31/08/18 00:06, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 21:29, TMS320 wrote: On 30/08/18 19:32, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 15:20, TMS320 wrote: On 30/08/18 14:25, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 00:19, TMS320 wrote: On 29/08/18 20:56, Bret Cahill wrote: This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with little attempt to hide the plagiarism: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797 Visiting your side of the water a couple of years ago, I found the larger towns and cities very walkable. Probably because they tend to be in grids, there usually isn't much reason to cross except at intersections. Roads are wider so th ecrossing time requires larger gaps between vehicles but, compared to the UK, intersections with sidewalks are better marked and, unlike the UK, drivers give way when turning. The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are obliged to give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which they are turning in both the UK and the USA. The American right (in most places) to turn right against a red traffic light does not undermine that. Obligation and practice are not necessarily the same thing. My observed experience is clearly different from yours. Drivers in the UK and the USA do generally give way where they are supposed to, subject always to the fact that a small minority either flout the law or are ignorant of it. If only one could say the same of cyclists, the majority of whom appear oblivious to this and most other traffic rules (that's putting it charitably). Since you don't walk far how would you know? What? Perhaps an internet translation helps... Since yous dun corky and chalk dead far 'ow would ye nah? You get more weird with every post, it seems. You want weird? On 07/06/18 17:23, JNugent wrote: "It all arises out of experience and acquired information, much of it gained in this very NG". You should cease having fantasies about your "observed experiences" being of value. You seem to think it is not possible to acquire information via reading. Wrong. You lumped experience and information together in the phrase I quoted. Ah.. right... I get it now. You just aren't very good at comprehension. Why didn't you say so earlier? You cannot acquire both from reading. With experience you get the ability to filter information, instead of taking it in at face value. Indeed. Experience makes clear the difference between (a) believing what cyclists here claim and (b) the truth. |
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"TMS320" wrote in message
news In the US, as mainland Europe, vehicles and pedestrians going straight on at traffic lights are treated as equal and pedestrians have strict priority over turning vehicles. They will get green lights at the same time. In the UK, a pedestrian phase always turns vehicular traffic lights red. I noticed in small-town Massachusetts (Ipswich and Georgetown) drivers were much more willing to stop for a pedestrian who looked as if they *might* be about to cross the road - and nowhere near a "Ped Xing" (pedestrian crossing - the signs sat Ped Xing). It happened once when I was looking at a house ont he opposite side of the road, with my body facing forward along the road: as soon as I turned my head, a car stopped in anticipation that I was about to cross. |
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On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 9:53:41 AM UTC+1, NY wrote:
"TMS320" wrote in message news In the US, as mainland Europe, vehicles and pedestrians going straight on at traffic lights are treated as equal and pedestrians have strict priority over turning vehicles. They will get green lights at the same time. In the UK, a pedestrian phase always turns vehicular traffic lights red. I noticed in small-town Massachusetts (Ipswich and Georgetown) drivers were much more willing to stop for a pedestrian who looked as if they *might* be about to cross the road - and nowhere near a "Ped Xing" (pedestrian crossing - the signs sat Ped Xing). It happened once when I was looking at a house ont he opposite side of the road, with my body facing forward along the road: as soon as I turned my head, a car stopped in anticipation that I was about to cross. I remember being at a pedestrian crossing in Oslo some years ago. When the pedestrian light turned green the pedestrians walked into the road without looking and the cars stopped. In the UK there would be mass casualties and the victims would be blamed because cars are not obliged to stop for pedestrians until the traffic light has been red for 10 seconds. |
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