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Old steel vs. new aluminum
Thanks to everybody that helped me out with my question about upgrading a
Panasonic DX-4000. I have another question related to that bike. I have the opportunity to purchase a used Trek 1000 and I was wondering what people's opinion of the two frames are. For those of you unfamilar with the Panasonic, it's a lugged frame made with Tange 2 double-butted tubing. The Trek 1000 is a year 2000 model aluminum frame. Thanks for your help. Beans Baxter |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 00:17:25 +0000, Beans Baxter wrote:
Thanks to everybody that helped me out with my question about upgrading a Panasonic DX-4000. I have another question related to that bike. I have the opportunity to purchase a used Trek 1000 and I was wondering what people's opinion of the two frames are. For those of you unfamilar with the Panasonic, it's a lugged frame made with Tange 2 double-butted tubing. The Trek 1000 is a year 2000 model aluminum frame. Thanks for your help. Beans Baxter apples and oranges, I don't think either frame is better if you take away the variable of the nicer modern components. The Trek will probably be a little stiffer and a better hillclimber if you're the out of the saddle type. I bet it weights a pound less as well. The handling will be slightly more responsive or twitchier depending on how you want to perceive it. It's an all around darn good frame--I think it even has braze ons for fenders and a rack if you wanted to go the sport tour route. List for a complete bike is around 600 bucks, so if you can pick a used one up for half or a little more, then by all means do it. It's a solid ride. The Panasonic's going to be slightly more shock absorbent than the Trek--not tons, the Trek's ride is pretty nice--but if you ride on bumpy pavement you'll probably like it better. I believe the wheelbase and fork rake are larger--don't have the specs in front of me, I'm going by what the norm for the vintages are--so the Panasonic would be more of a "steady rider". Which one feels better? That's the important question. If the Trek fits well, then why not get something modern and fresher? I'd still hang on the panasonic and perhaps slap some sturdier rubber on it and make it a foul weather bike--can't have enough ponies! |
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"Beans Baxter" wrote in message ... Thanks to everybody that helped me out with my question about upgrading a Panasonic DX-4000. I have another question related to that bike. I have the opportunity to purchase a used Trek 1000 and I was wondering what people's opinion of the two frames are. For those of you unfamilar with the Panasonic, it's a lugged frame made with Tange 2 double-butted tubing. The Trek 1000 is a year 2000 model aluminum frame. Thanks for your help. Beans Baxter My opinion is to go with the steel frame. I would worry about the life span of the Aluminium frame frame. Also narrower tubes are generally more aero than fat tubes. The Aluminium frame is probably a bit lighter but I know that overall the weight difference is not significant. (For example I would be better off not eating chips and drinking beer.) Marty |
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If the trek is cheap and it fits buy it. However you will be more comfy riding
the panasonic. I have a DX3000 and loved riding it. It is now my errand bike meaning if it gets stolen I wont be committed to an asylum. For long fast rides I use my Lemond also steel as it is lighter and just as comfortable. me out with my question about upgrading a Panasonic DX-4000. I have another question related to that bike. I have the opportunity to purchase a used Trek 1000 and I was wondering what people's opinion |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 00:17:25 GMT, Beans Baxter
wrote: Thanks to everybody that helped me out with my question about upgrading a Panasonic DX-4000. I have another question related to that bike. I have the opportunity to purchase a used Trek 1000 and I was wondering what people's opinion of the two frames are. For those of you unfamilar with the Panasonic, it's a lugged frame made with Tange 2 double-butted tubing. The Trek 1000 is a year 2000 model aluminum frame. Thanks for your help. Beans Baxter As others have said, hard to compare them. Both are nice bikes. Geometry and fitting will be the big differences. I have one bike with tight angles- probably similar to the Trek. And one with more relaxed angles- probably similar to the Panasonic. They ride differently. The tight one is zippy and twitchy and fun. The relaxed one is steady and smooth and fun. Depending on my mood and where I am riding, I'll use either bike. When I have had either one off the road, I am happy with the one that works, and yet I miss riding the other one. If the Trek feels good and you have money and room for two bikes, get it? You can always sell one or the other later if need be. |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 00:17:25 GMT, Beans Baxter wrote:
For those of you unfamilar with the Panasonic, it's a lugged frame made with Tange 2 double-butted tubing. The Trek 1000 is a year 2000 model aluminum frame. Thanks for your help. I have a a ~1990 Trek 1100 and the one thing I hate about it is the bottem end (where the bottom bracket goes). I'm not a big guy (5'8", 180lbs) but I can twist the bottom bracket so the chaing scrapes the derailleur when I stand or pedal real hard. I now have a low end Ti bike and I love it (Mongoose RX100). I can't twist that bike. Oh, I rode the 1100 for about 35K miles, I still have it but I put most of my miles on the RX100. -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/ (Text only) http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge) http://hcs.sourceforge.net/ (HCS II) |
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My opinion is to go with the steel frame. I would worry about the life
span of the Aluminium frame frame. Also narrower tubes are generally more aero than fat tubes. The Aluminium frame is probably a bit lighter but I know that overall the weight difference is not significant. (For example I would be better off not eating chips and drinking beer.) Marty Fear of life span is unwarrented. Both frames are designed to similar risk standards, regardless of material. I'd expect either to last more than 50,000 km unless you do lots of pogo jumping (which isn't a common use for a road frame). Bruce |
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"Bruce Frech" wrote in message ... My opinion is to go with the steel frame. I would worry about the life span of the Aluminium frame frame. Also narrower tubes are generally more aero than fat tubes. The Aluminium frame is probably a bit lighter but I know that overall the weight difference is not significant. (For example I would be better off not eating chips and drinking beer.) Marty Fear of life span is unwarrented. Both frames are designed to similar risk standards, regardless of material. I'd expect either to last more than 50,000 km unless you do lots of pogo jumping (which isn't a common use for a road frame). Bruce They may be designed to similar risk standards but from my own observations I've seen more Aluminium frames fail than steel frames. I'm not knocking Aluminium frames but just drawing conclusions from what I've seen. Marty |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 16:43:50 -0500, Neil Cherry wrote:
I'm not a big guy (5'8", 180lbs) but I can twist the bottom bracket so the chaing scrapes the derailleur when I stand or pedal real hard. That's not a bad thing and it's quite normal Some of us like to ride "lively" frames and ride gears so we don't have to exert such torque upon our machines. I've got a 70s straight gauge steelie as my main ride--she's brutally strong, but I can easily cause the bike to "autoshift" or rub the derailleur cage if I give it all I've got--I take that sound as a sign to downshift and save the old knees :P My former city bike was a breathtakingly stiff Marin San Anselmo (the original, with a 7-speed hub), You could literally throw it down a cliff or ride home with (no joke) a hundred pounds of groceries on the rear rack--with no complaint. The jackhammer up the rectum quality of the ride left much to be desired, though she was quite the hillclimber for an urban assault vehicle. LOL |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 04:56:05 GMT, maxo wrote:
The Panasonic's going to be slightly more shock absorbent than the Trek--not tons, the Trek's ride is pretty nice--but if you ride on bumpy pavement you'll probably like it better. If you ride on bumpy pavement a lot, the frame is not what you should change. Instead, change to fatter tires and shock absorbing seatpost and stem. -- Rick Onanian |
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