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  #121  
Old March 4th 14, 09:26 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...

You've heard from him ... he's concerned about four-wheel drivers,

motorcycle riders, prospectors, hunters and fishermen. I don't see
mountainbikers in that list ... probably because they have about the same impact
as hikers.


Edward Dolan wrote:

I believe he is indeed including cyclists elsewhere in his
report. We do not want wheeled vehicles of any sort on hiking
trails.


Ah, you believe that do you ? Like you believed that there were thousands of hiker/biker collisions but, in reality, there weren't. Your beliefs, right now, have very little credibility. I suggest you either backup your beliefs with objective facts or avoid making statements that you have to later retract.


I never need to retract anything. However, I find that I do have to expand on everything because you lack the mentality to comprehend the simplest things. It must be hell to have to go thru life so literally minded. You are unable to make connections. Talking to you is like talking to a simpleton who has to have everything explained in detail.

Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain bikers!

“Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.”
~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24),
from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets"

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great


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  #122  
Old March 4th 14, 09:52 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...

All recreations have to be managed sensibly ... but that means

pragmatic solutions to individual circumstances ... not messianic proclamations
!


Edward Dolan wrote:

If recreations are sufficiently different from one another,
there is absolutely no way to combine them. Each recreation needs it own trails.
That is the "pragmatic solution" which is apparent to all but the blind, deaf
and dumb mountain bikers.


Why Ed ? There is no reason whatsoever why most trails can't be shared. Sharing works fine in most places. The videos you posted show the completely ridiculous nature of your position; you would advocate creating new trails when those videos clearly show that the existing ones are very lightly trafficked with hardly any conflict.


It doesn’t matter if trails are lightly trafficked or heavily trafficked. The users are doing different things which conflict. I have posted many reports in this thread which clearly illustrate the conflicts in great detail. These reports contradict your views but you are deaf and blind to what hikers insist upon – that trails be used for the quiet enjoyment of nature and not as a race course by cyclists.

Ed, YOU posted these links. Are they not representative of

reality now ? If so, why did you post them ?

The thousands of videos that you will see on YouTube are
representative. I no long bother looking at them they are so g.d.
idiotic.


You are going in circles. You posted videos then decided you didn't like what they showed so you want to refer to some amorphous 'other' ones on YouTube. Your case is completely shot. Why do you keep posting 'evidence' that doesn't support your propositions ?


Whatever is posted on this thread by me must be taken in context. It is the preponderance of the posts that matter, not any particular post about any particular aspect. I do not do any editing of the reports I post. Every post of mine in this thread is detrimental in the main to the issue of bikes on trails. That is all that matters to me. Either get on something important or get lost.

What bit of "stop within the distance you can see to be clear" was

unclear Ed ? If the sightline is practically nil then the speed needs to
be that much slower. If it's a long way ahead then speed can be much
higher. Simple.

Nothing is ever simple when you have testosterone prone
mountain bikers hogging the trails.


Ah, and back to ad hominem attacks rather than facts. I would also note that, bereft testosterone, the human race would have died out. You do sound like a rather bitter old man; did you never live a little when younger ?


There is a place for testosterone and it is NOT on trails used by hikers. Take your testosterone elsewhere ... like maybe to a battlefield.

Oh do stop going in circles ... it's very tiresome. I've

addressed this issue ad nauseum. If power, speed, weight, noise and
environmental damage differences between powered trail bikes and mountain bikes
are not obvious to you then you need glasses and a hearing aid.


If power, speed, weight, noise and environmental damage differences between
mountain bikes and people walking are not obvious to you then you need glasses
and a hearing aid. The only tiresome bore here is you.


Power; exactly the same (1 human power = approx 750 watts max)

Speed; Approximately 2x on average
Weight; Approx 15% higher for biker
Noise; equivalent
Environmental impact; equivalent

The facts, as usual, don't support you Ed.


Your facts are as screwy as your morality. Mechanical advantage makes all the difference with respect to power and speed. Noise and environmental impact also are NOT the same as anyone with half a brain knows full well.

Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain bikers!

“Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.”
~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24),
from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets"

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great


  #123  
Old March 5th 14, 02:03 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
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"Phil W Lee" wrote in message ...
[...]

Blackblade wrote:

I get it .. you don't like mountainbikers. You don't need to re-post the same text incessantly ... it just makes you look foolish.


At least that is honest though.

We should at least give him credit for not trying to hide his
failings.

As long as you are reading a post of mine you will get MY message that way I want to give it.

Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain bikers!

“Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.”
~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24),
from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets"

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great


  #124  
Old March 5th 14, 02:07 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
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"Phil W Lee" wrote in message ...
[...]

It is amusing to see how strong a case he [Ed Dolan the Great] makes for cycle access to

all trails though. After all, if you have to be as demented as he is to oppose it, who
would want to?

Post content or get lost. What an Asshole!

Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain bikers!

“Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.”
~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24),
from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets"

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great

  #125  
Old March 5th 14, 02:10 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
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"Phil W Lee" wrote in message
news [...]

It's his looking glass attitude - he can believe in any impossible

things, before, during, or after breakfast, as long as they support
his delusions.
It might also go some way to explaining why he expends so much energy
to get nowhere.
I reckon he's the red queen.
Well, some sort of queen, anyway.

**** you too Asshole!

Post content or get lost. What an Asshole!

Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by
hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk
like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and
when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish!
Death to mountain bikers!

“Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.”
~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24),
from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets"

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great

  #126  
Old March 12th 14, 01:23 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
Blackblade[_2_]
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And you're entitled to your viewpoint.* I am similarly
entitled to disagree and completely ignore you.* It's really nothing to do
with you.

I will not feel any sympathy for you when you end up paralyzed
from the neck down like that other idiot Christopher Reeves
(Superman).


I'm not asking you to. Why would I care ? I feel sorry for you; that you can't just enjoy your own activity and let others enjoy theirs.

Take your god damn ****ing risk taking (mountain biking)
anywhere except on my sacred trails!


They're not yours Ed.

Well, the alternative is fascism (or nanny stateism).* Adults

are entitled to risk their own necks.

Stupid is as stupid does. Anyone who risks their necks for a
thrill is not an adult. Such an idiot is a juvenile.


Your opinion, you're welcome to it. It's wrong but ...

Stop ranting ... it doesn't get any more convincing for multiple

repeats.

Repetition is at the heart of all learning.


It's an element, true, but despite repeated trouncing of your premises you still aren't learning so what should we do with you ?

Better to be a sociopath who at least wants people to live out
their natural lives than a merchant of death like you who knowingly leads
cyclists to their deaths by promoting mountain biking on hiking
trails.


Better to actually go and do something and live your life ... and to not get so incredibly agitated that others want to live their lives differently.
  #127  
Old March 12th 14, 01:46 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
Blackblade[_2_]
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Ah, you believe that do you ?* Like you believed that there
were thousands of hiker/biker collisions but, in reality, there weren't.*
Your beliefs, right now, have very little credibility.* I suggest you
either backup your beliefs with objective facts or avoid making statements that
you have to later retract.

I never need to retract anything. However, I find that I do
have to expand on everything because you lack the mentality to comprehend the
simplest things. It must be hell to have to go thru life so literally minded.
You are unable to make connections. Talking to you is like talking to a
simpleton who has to have everything explained in detail.


The only person who never gets anything wrong is the person who does nothing ! You claimed, many times, thousands of collisions. There aren't and you couldn't produce any data to backup your claim. That's not being literally minded, it's calling you on spouting rubbish.

  #128  
Old March 12th 14, 02:03 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
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It doesn't matter if trails are lightly trafficked or heavily trafficked.
The users are doing different things which conflict. I have posted many reports
in this thread which clearly illustrate the conflicts in great detail. These
reports contradict your views but you are deaf and blind to what hikers insist
upon - that trails be used for the quiet enjoyment of nature and not as a race
course by cyclists.


No, you've simply stated, again and again, that they are incompatible. However, you've also then posted videos showing trails being shared without any issue.

You keep stating 'hikers insist upon' ... and forgetting that I, and many other mountainbikers, are also hikers too. What you're really saying is "I insist upon" and, quite frankly, what you insist upon is of no great import to anything since you don't own the trails.

You are going in circles. You posted videos then decided you

didn't like what they showed so you want to refer to some amorphous 'other' ones
on YouTube. Your case is completely shot. Why do you keep posting
'evidence' that doesn't support your propositions ?

Whatever is posted on this thread by me must be taken in
context. It is the preponderance of the posts that matter, not any particular
post about any particular aspect. I do not do any editing of the reports I post.
Every post of mine in this thread is detrimental in the main to the issue of
bikes on trails. That is all that matters to me. Either get on something
important or get lost.


Perhaps that's what you intended but what you actually posted was not at all detrimental since it showed sparse use and no conflict ... directly contradicting your proposition. If your 'evidence' doesn't support what you're saying then that is not immaterial since it fatally undermines your whole case.

Power; exactly the same (1 human power = approx 750 watts max)

Speed; Approximately 2x on average
Weight; Approx 15% higher for biker
Noise; equivalent
Environmental impact; equivalent

The facts, as usual, don't support you Ed.


Your facts are as screwy as your morality. Mechanical
advantage makes all the difference with respect to power and speed. Noise and
environmental impact also are NOT the same as anyone with half a brain knows
full well.


Ed, I'm not giving you another physics lesson. We already covered this and you don't know the physics and are unwilling to spend even a second reading enough to become conversant with the basics.
  #129  
Old March 13th 14, 01:54 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...

And you're entitled to your viewpoint. I am similarly

entitled to disagree and completely ignore you. It's really nothing to do
with you.


Edward Dolan wrote:

I will not feel any sympathy for you when you end up paralyzed
from the neck down like that other idiot Christopher Reeves
(Superman).


I'm not asking you to. Why would I care ? I feel sorry for you; that you can't just enjoy your own activity and let others enjoy theirs.


Enjoy whatever risk taking you want, but not on MY (hiker and equestrian) trails.

Take your god damn ****ing risk taking (mountain biking)
anywhere except on my sacred trails!


They're not yours Ed.


They most certainly are not yours (bikers) who are Johnny come lately to trails. When I say MY trails I mean of course hiker and equestrian trails. Too bad I have to spell everything out for you as it must be boring in the extreme for others who might be following this thread.

Well, the alternative is fascism (or nanny stateism). Adults

are entitled to risk their own necks.

Stupid is as stupid does. Anyone who risks their necks for a
thrill is not an adult. Such an idiot is a juvenile.


Your opinion, you're welcome to it. It's wrong but ...


It will not be so wrong when you are laid up in bed unable to move because paralyzed. Just ask the ghost of Christopher Reeves if it was worth jumping a horse to end his life the way he did.

Stop ranting ... it doesn't get any more convincing for multiple

repeats.

Repetition is at the heart of all learning.


It's an element, true, but despite repeated trouncing of your premises you still aren't learning so what should we do with you ?


See my signature for enlightenment.

Better to be a sociopath who at least wants people to live out
their natural lives than a merchant of death like you who knowingly leads
cyclists to their deaths by promoting mountain biking on hiking
trails.


Better to actually go and do something and live your life ... and to not get so incredibly agitated that others want to live their lives differently.


You can live your life as differently as you want, but not on MY (hiker and equestrian) trails. Get your own g.d. trails.

Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain bikers!

“Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.”
~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24),
from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets"

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great


  #130  
Old March 13th 14, 02:03 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
EdwardDolan
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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...

Ah, you believe that do you ? Like you believed that there

were thousands of hiker/biker collisions but, in reality, there weren't.
Your beliefs, right now, have very little credibility. I suggest you
either backup your beliefs with objective facts or avoid making statements that
you have to later retract.


Edward Dolan wrote:

I never need to retract anything. However, I find that I do
have to expand on everything because you lack the mentality to comprehend the
simplest things. It must be hell to have to go thru life so literally minded.
You are unable to make connections. Talking to you is like talking to a
simpleton who has to have everything explained in detail.


The only person who never gets anything wrong is the person who does nothing ! You claimed, many times, thousands of collisions. There aren't and you couldn't produce any data to backup your claim. That's not being literally minded, it's calling you on spouting rubbish.


99% of collisions and close calls never get any mass publicity unless someone is killed. I am going by reports from various email lists that I am receiving daily. That in fact is what this thread is about. The only one spouting rubbish here is you. Get on something important or get lost!

Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain bikers!

“Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.”
~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24),
from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets"

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great


 




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