current best value on 10 spd chain?

On 2/1/2011 12:39 PM, Chalo Colina wrote:
Bill wrote:

?Time for a couple of new chains for a SRAM 10 speed drive train. What's the
current best choice for a decent quality chain at a reasonable price? Which
removable link to go with it?
Thanks,

Best value? Just take one off an old neglected ten-speed.


Rimshot!

Cost-effectiveness isn't one of the virtues of 10-speed rear gearing,
you know. At my shop, 7-speed chains are $12, 8-speed are $18, 9-
speed are $25 or something, and the last time I sold a 10-speed chain
it was $45 (though we now stock a KMC model that probably doesn't cost
quite that much).

I suppose I needn't mention that 7- and 8-speed clusters are available
with much wider gearing range than 10-speed, and they last longer.
(Don't even get me started about the shifters.)

9 for road and 8 for off-road is fine. Anything more is mostly "more is
better" marketing.

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Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

On Feb 1, 10:36*pm, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op 1-2-2011 23:27, thirty-six schreef:



On Feb 1, 7:36 pm, *wrote:
On Feb 1, 10:30 am, *wrote:

?Time for a couple of new chains for a SRAM 10 speed drive train. What's the
current best choice for a decent quality chain at a reasonable price? Which
removable link to go with it?

Something I'd like to know too.
The "reasonable price" limitation is a serious obstacle. *But, FWIW,
my limited experience with a KMC 10 speed chain has been very good.
Does its job and seems to last forever.

DR

Performing well and no identifiable stretch after 35000 miles? *Loss
of bling plating is irrelevant to me.

Are you saying that your chains don't have any identifiable stretch
after 35000 miles = 56000 km? Never managed that with any chain I ever
used in 30 years. I started with 5 speed clusters BTW.

Lou

I've got a tatty Shimano chain from about 1990 and it has 1/32" (must
have been about 24000miles first check) if that, and has not got
worse. I guess this is not just because of all the different
lubricants which have been applied onto a high grade racing chain, I
decided that pushing pedals was for mugs and started turning the
cranks lightly after stopping racing and deciding to use up my race
scrap. The fact though that I had consigned it for winter use and
spoilt its decoration meant I must have incorrectly thought its life
was over after a years use. It didn't mesh well with Regina
freewheels with a derailleur compromised by wide chainring spacing so
was put aside for a couple of years.

My lubrication practice was developed to cope with dirty wet British
winter roads and high chain tension as would be encountered during
racing. So I got good at chain lubrication before reducing the chain
loading and soiling ((I didn't need to train, I didn't need the
rain). That chain was something like £18, it had to last all year and
was cossetted in grease and oil, never allowed to get gritty inside,
never run dry.

On 2/1/2011 4:36 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
[...]
Are you saying that your chains don't have any identifiable stretch
after 35000 miles = 56000 km? Never managed that with any chain I ever
used in 30 years. I started with 5 speed clusters BTW.

I believe you would need a fully enclosed chain-case and oil bath for a
chain to last that long in our universe. Planet Trevor may be different.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

On Feb 1, 11:50*pm, landotter wrote:
On Feb 1, 4:36*pm, Lou Holtman wrote:



Op 1-2-2011 23:27, thirty-six schreef:

On Feb 1, 7:36 pm, *wrote:
On Feb 1, 10:30 am, *wrote:

?Time for a couple of new chains for a SRAM 10 speed drive train. What's the
current best choice for a decent quality chain at a reasonable price? Which
removable link to go with it?

Something I'd like to know too.
The "reasonable price" limitation is a serious obstacle. *But, FWIW,
my limited experience with a KMC 10 speed chain has been very good.
Does its job and seems to last forever.

DR

Performing well and no identifiable stretch after 35000 miles? *Loss
of bling plating is irrelevant to me.

Are you saying that your chains don't have any identifiable stretch
after 35000 miles = 56000 km? Never managed that with any chain I ever
used in 30 years. I started with 5 speed clusters BTW.

Trevor's still using block chain on a skip tooth three speed freewheel.

Never used a block and link or inch pitch sprockets, although when
engrossed about chain articulation, bearing loading and suitable
lubricants, I do tend to think in the terms of block and link.

BTW you could't use a derailleur on that setup.

On Feb 2, 2:01*am, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
On 2/1/2011 4:36 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:

[...]
Are you saying that your chains don't have any identifiable stretch
after 35000 miles = 56000 km? Never managed that with any chain I ever
used in 30 years. I started with 5 speed clusters BTW.

I believe you would need a fully enclosed chain-case and oil bath for a
chain to last that long in our universe. *Planet Trevor may be different.

On 2/1/2011 8:56 PM, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:
On 2/1/2011 12:39 PM, Chalo Colina wrote:

Cost-effectiveness isn't one of the virtues of 10-speed rear gearing,
you know. At my shop, 7-speed chains are $12, 8-speed are $18, 9-
speed are $25 or something, and the last time I sold a 10-speed chain
it was $45 (though we now stock a KMC model that probably doesn't cost
quite that much).

I suppose I needn't mention that 7- and 8-speed clusters are available
with much wider gearing range than 10-speed, and they last longer.
(Don't even get me started about the shifters.)

9 for road and 8 for off-road is fine. Anything more is mostly "more is
better" marketing.

8-speed for both, & you can swap parts. If anything, you need more gears
off-road.

On 2/2/2011 5:42 AM, Peter Cole wrote:
On 2/1/2011 8:56 PM, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:
On 2/1/2011 12:39 PM, Chalo Colina wrote:

Cost-effectiveness isn't one of the virtues of 10-speed rear gearing,
you know. At my shop, 7-speed chains are $12, 8-speed are $18, 9-
speed are $25 or something, and the last time I sold a 10-speed chain
it was $45 (though we now stock a KMC model that probably doesn't cost
quite that much).

I suppose I needn't mention that 7- and 8-speed clusters are available
with much wider gearing range than 10-speed, and they last longer.
(Don't even get me started about the shifters.)

9 for road and 8 for off-road is fine. Anything more is mostly "more is
better" marketing.

8-speed for both, & you can swap parts. If anything, you need more gears
off-road.


But a wider range on road is needed. 10 to 150 gear-inches is a good
range for a velomobile.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

On 2/2/2011 6:50 AM, Tum Shermy™ °_° wrote:
On 2/2/2011 5:42 AM, Peter Cole wrote:
On 2/1/2011 8:56 PM, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:
On 2/1/2011 12:39 PM, Chalo Colina wrote:

Cost-effectiveness isn't one of the virtues of 10-speed rear gearing,
you know. At my shop, 7-speed chains are $12, 8-speed are $18, 9-
speed are $25 or something, and the last time I sold a 10-speed chain
it was $45 (though we now stock a KMC model that probably doesn't cost
quite that much).

I suppose I needn't mention that 7- and 8-speed clusters are available
with much wider gearing range than 10-speed, and they last longer.
(Don't even get me started about the shifters.)

9 for road and 8 for off-road is fine. Anything more is mostly "more is
better" marketing.

8-speed for both, & you can swap parts. If anything, you need more gears
off-road.


But a wider range on road is needed.

Not in my experience.

On Feb 1, 10:30*am, "Bill" wrote:
?Time for a couple of new chains for a SRAM 10 speed drive train. What's the
current best choice for a decent quality chain at a reasonable price? Which
removable link to go with it?
Thanks,

KMC best value, works/shifts really well followed by 5700/6700 chains.
Followed by Campagnolo Veloce. All work well and better in terms of $,
longevity and diurability than wipperman or sram.

On 2/2/2011 11:10 AM, Phil W Lee wrote:
Peter considered Wed, 02 Feb 2011
06:42:44 -0500 the perfect time to write:

On 2/1/2011 8:56 PM, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:
On 2/1/2011 12:39 PM, Chalo Colina wrote:

Cost-effectiveness isn't one of the virtues of 10-speed rear gearing,
you know. At my shop, 7-speed chains are $12, 8-speed are $18, 9-
speed are $25 or something, and the last time I sold a 10-speed chain
it was $45 (though we now stock a KMC model that probably doesn't cost
quite that much).

I suppose I needn't mention that 7- and 8-speed clusters are available
with much wider gearing range than 10-speed, and they last longer.
(Don't even get me started about the shifters.)

9 for road and 8 for off-road is fine. Anything more is mostly "more is
better" marketing.

8-speed for both,& you can swap parts. If anything, you need more gears
off-road.

And, if you are using normal hubs, you have more width to fit them.

Don't know. My 10 speed double is an improvement on my 8 speed triple,
at least as far as useful gears for my riding style. Mostly have a 10
speed because it came with the bike.

But I'd like to know the best replacement. Not just WRT price but maybe
one that's spec'd for more than 2500k.