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  #201  
Old April 1st 15, 09:48 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
John B. Slocomb
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Default AG: Country Roads

On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 23:58:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 3/29/2015 7:54 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 12:37:48 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 3/29/2015 8:54 AM, smharding wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 08/03/2015 03:31, Joy Beeson wrote:


On a lonely country road, ride far enough to the left -- this being a
multinational forum, make that "close enough to the center" -- that
you can make a dramatic and visible move toward the edge of the road.

When you hear a car coming, watch it in your mirror until you are
quite sure the driver can see you turn your head as if looking back
before you move toward the edge of the road.

On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 21:47:37 +0000, Andy Morris [email protected]
wrote:

Why do you feel you are responsible for the car behind? If they
want to
overtake they can change lane, if its not safe for them to do that do
you really want to encourage them to squeeze by?

Then, On 3/26/2015 8:41 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:

for one thing, the car behind you is bigger, stronger, faster and
harder then you are. The proverbial 600 lb. gorilla, in other words.

It is usually suggested that he gets to do whatever he wants to while
you the smaller, weaker, slower and softer creature stay out of the
gorilla's way.

It is often argued that if the gorilla stomps you into the ground like
a grease spot that the LAW will punish him. Which would seem to be of
little interest to you as you'll be dead.

Well, having tried pretty much every reasonable strategy, I've formed
these opinions:

First, if the lane is too narrow for safe passing within the lane, I
stay pretty much lane centered. As Andy said, I really don't want to
encourage them to pass until they can move over.

But if the lane is wider, and especially if it's of marginal width -
i.e., I might share it with a Geo Metro, but might feel uncomfortable
with a Cadillac Escalade - I find it's helpful to ride lane centered
long enough that the motorists visibly slow. Then I move right, as
Joy said. Almost all motorists seem to interpret that as "Oh, what a
nice guy." And the result is almost always a slow, careful pass.

And speaking of Escalades: It's _finally_ half-decent riding weather
here. Yesterday, riding to the hardware store on the normally busy 5
lane road (12 foot lanes, IIRC), I happened to be almost alone...
except for a white Escalade that came up behind me. Despite the open
left lane, he blared his horn in an unfriendly manner.

I stayed where I was (lane center) and waved a couple times, something
like either "Hello" or "Of course I know you're there." Then I gave
what I hope was an obviously displeased motion saying "So pass me,
dammit!" Which he did. No further trouble. And no conceding
anything on my part.

It's like this every spring. The Escalade drivers have had a whole
winter to glory in their supposed superiority and privilege. It takes
a few weeks for them to remember that "Oh yeah, those guys have a
legal right to the road, too."

Cowering at the right just slows their learning process.

While I generally agree with what has been said about being more assertive
in the lane to avoid those close shaves many motorists seem willing to
inflict
upon bicyclists, I've always gotten some amusement out of the vilification
of the "guy in the Escalade" when describing bicyclist-motorist negative
interactions.

It reminds me of some movie plots where bad guys doing evil things are
given the final negative character flaw of using a racist remark, making
the
audience feel that guy really deserves to be taken out.

I live in a heavy college age driver environment and I quite frankly worry
more about the five college area kid in a small Honda or Toyota pulling
that
stuff on bicyclists than people driving those oh so awful big SUVs.

It could be interesting to start an online project, where volunteers
would catalog the vehicle models used by impolite motorists. Maybe we
could learn something. Online sociology!

But the incident I described above really was an Escalade. Pearl white,
IIRC.


Although it appears to be the custom for cyclists to always blame "the
other guy", particularly when he/she is in a motor vehicle, the
California Highway Patrol study demonstrated that in more than half of
the motor vehicle - bicycle accidents the cyclist was in violation of
traffic regulations, and both the New York and London studies
mentioned cyclists injured while in violation of the law.

Unless one is to assume that these three studies were all erroneous it
may be useful to make a study of who actually is responsible for
cyclists being injured as if the majority of the injuries/deaths are
associated with the cyclists breaking the law a more forceful
enforcement of traffic laws relative to cyclists malfeasance might
well be the real answer.


Oh, I'm familiar with the data you mention. I was just talking about
the motorists who come up and blare the horn out of pure rudeness. IME,
they're extremely unlikely to cause a crash. They just want to show
dominance, and inform us that in their screwball opinion, we have no
right to the road.



I can only assume that you live in an area with a lot of very rude
people.

I can honestly say that it happens so rarely here that I even can't
remember the last time it happened to me.

Of, course I don't ride in a manner to impede others :-)
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  #202  
Old April 1st 15, 10:01 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
John B. Slocomb
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Default AG: The best fluid for hydration

On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 22:10:37 -0400, Joy Beeson
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 12:34:47 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

I've found that adding a little salt to my water makes it much easier to
"get inside the patient," especially on long rides in hot weather. And
for me, salt substitute works even better.

The little bottle I've had for years is "Cardia Salt" - part sodium
chloride, part potassium chloride, part magnesium sulfate.


I like a little fruit juice in my water -- but I *must* have plain
water in the other bottle.

A usually put a pretty strong dose of fruit juice in my tea, to supply
sugar as well as caffeine.

I drink more fluid when I ride through nap time, because I want to get
my caffeine inside before I get stupid.


One of the problems is that you don't "feel thirsty" until after you
are dehydrated, to some degree. The trick is to drink before you get
thirsty.

There is a research paper somewhere that demonstrates that dehydration
caused by 2 hours in a sauna resulting in a 1.5% decrease in body mass
effected the maximum weight that a trained weight lifter could lift.

In most people that is less then 1 litre of water. And most "water
bottles", on bicycles, hold less then 1/2 litre.
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Cheers,

John B.
  #203  
Old April 1st 15, 04:47 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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Default AG: Country Roads

On 4/1/2015 4:48 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 23:58:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:
I was just talking about
the motorists who come up and blare the horn out of pure rudeness. IME,
they're extremely unlikely to cause a crash. They just want to show
dominance, and inform us that in their screwball opinion, we have no
right to the road.



I can only assume that you live in an area with a lot of very rude
people.

I can honestly say that it happens so rarely here that I even can't
remember the last time it happened to me.


Actually, no. I'm the guy who says it's a rare occurrence. I think I
get a horn blare maybe once a month at maximum.

Of, course I don't ride in a manner to impede others :-)


That Escalade guy's "impedence" was that he actually had to change
lanes. He didn't even have to slow down. People like that might blare
their horn if I were walking my bike along a sidewalk. Screw 'em.


--
- Frank Krygowski
  #204  
Old April 2nd 15, 12:32 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
John B. Slocomb
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Default AG: Country Roads

On Wed, 01 Apr 2015 11:47:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 4/1/2015 4:48 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 23:58:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:
I was just talking about
the motorists who come up and blare the horn out of pure rudeness. IME,
they're extremely unlikely to cause a crash. They just want to show
dominance, and inform us that in their screwball opinion, we have no
right to the road.



I can only assume that you live in an area with a lot of very rude
people.

I can honestly say that it happens so rarely here that I even can't
remember the last time it happened to me.


Actually, no. I'm the guy who says it's a rare occurrence. I think I
get a horn blare maybe once a month at maximum.

Of, course I don't ride in a manner to impede others :-)


That Escalade guy's "impedence" was that he actually had to change
lanes. He didn't even have to slow down. People like that might blare
their horn if I were walking my bike along a sidewalk. Screw 'em.


As I said, apparently a land of many rude people.
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Cheers,

John B.
  #205  
Old April 2nd 15, 01:32 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Duane[_3_]
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Default AG: Country Roads

On 01/04/2015 7:32 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 01 Apr 2015 11:47:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 4/1/2015 4:48 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 23:58:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:
I was just talking about
the motorists who come up and blare the horn out of pure rudeness. IME,
they're extremely unlikely to cause a crash. They just want to show
dominance, and inform us that in their screwball opinion, we have no
right to the road.


I can only assume that you live in an area with a lot of very rude
people.

I can honestly say that it happens so rarely here that I even can't
remember the last time it happened to me.


Actually, no. I'm the guy who says it's a rare occurrence. I think I
get a horn blare maybe once a month at maximum.

Of, course I don't ride in a manner to impede others :-)


That Escalade guy's "impedence" was that he actually had to change
lanes. He didn't even have to slow down. People like that might blare
their horn if I were walking my bike along a sidewalk. Screw 'em.


As I said, apparently a land of many rude people.



It's not that it's a land of many rude people. It's that the rude
people are usually loud, obnoxious and often dangerous. Same here in
Quebec. It's rare that I agree with Frank but in this case he's right.
Screw 'em.


  #206  
Old April 3rd 15, 01:16 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
John B. Slocomb
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Default AG: Country Roads

On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 08:32:34 -0400, Duane
wrote:

On 01/04/2015 7:32 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 01 Apr 2015 11:47:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 4/1/2015 4:48 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 23:58:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:
I was just talking about
the motorists who come up and blare the horn out of pure rudeness. IME,
they're extremely unlikely to cause a crash. They just want to show
dominance, and inform us that in their screwball opinion, we have no
right to the road.


I can only assume that you live in an area with a lot of very rude
people.

I can honestly say that it happens so rarely here that I even can't
remember the last time it happened to me.

Actually, no. I'm the guy who says it's a rare occurrence. I think I
get a horn blare maybe once a month at maximum.

Of, course I don't ride in a manner to impede others :-)

That Escalade guy's "impedence" was that he actually had to change
lanes. He didn't even have to slow down. People like that might blare
their horn if I were walking my bike along a sidewalk. Screw 'em.


As I said, apparently a land of many rude people.



It's not that it's a land of many rude people. It's that the rude
people are usually loud, obnoxious and often dangerous. Same here in
Quebec. It's rare that I agree with Frank but in this case he's right.
Screw 'em.


And according to Frank, there are so many of them...
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Cheers,

John B.
  #207  
Old April 3rd 15, 05:13 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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Default AG: Country Roads

On 4/2/2015 8:16 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 08:32:34 -0400, Duane
wrote:

On 01/04/2015 7:32 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 01 Apr 2015 11:47:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 4/1/2015 4:48 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 23:58:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:
I was just talking about
the motorists who come up and blare the horn out of pure rudeness. IME,
they're extremely unlikely to cause a crash. They just want to show
dominance, and inform us that in their screwball opinion, we have no
right to the road.


I can only assume that you live in an area with a lot of very rude
people.

I can honestly say that it happens so rarely here that I even can't
remember the last time it happened to me.

Actually, no. I'm the guy who says it's a rare occurrence. I think I
get a horn blare maybe once a month at maximum.

Of, course I don't ride in a manner to impede others :-)

That Escalade guy's "impedence" was that he actually had to change
lanes. He didn't even have to slow down. People like that might blare
their horn if I were walking my bike along a sidewalk. Screw 'em.

As I said, apparently a land of many rude people.



It's not that it's a land of many rude people. It's that the rude
people are usually loud, obnoxious and often dangerous. Same here in
Quebec. It's rare that I agree with Frank but in this case he's right.
Screw 'em.


And according to Frank, there are so many of them...


Not what I said! I said I get maybe one horn blare per month,
_maximum_. Re-read above! (I actually think it's considerably less.)

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- Frank Krygowski
  #208  
Old April 3rd 15, 11:31 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
John B. Slocomb
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Default AG: Country Roads

On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 00:13:02 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 4/2/2015 8:16 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 08:32:34 -0400, Duane
wrote:

On 01/04/2015 7:32 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 01 Apr 2015 11:47:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 4/1/2015 4:48 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 23:58:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:
I was just talking about
the motorists who come up and blare the horn out of pure rudeness. IME,
they're extremely unlikely to cause a crash. They just want to show
dominance, and inform us that in their screwball opinion, we have no
right to the road.


I can only assume that you live in an area with a lot of very rude
people.

I can honestly say that it happens so rarely here that I even can't
remember the last time it happened to me.

Actually, no. I'm the guy who says it's a rare occurrence. I think I
get a horn blare maybe once a month at maximum.

Of, course I don't ride in a manner to impede others :-)

That Escalade guy's "impedence" was that he actually had to change
lanes. He didn't even have to slow down. People like that might blare
their horn if I were walking my bike along a sidewalk. Screw 'em.

As I said, apparently a land of many rude people.



It's not that it's a land of many rude people. It's that the rude
people are usually loud, obnoxious and often dangerous. Same here in
Quebec. It's rare that I agree with Frank but in this case he's right.
Screw 'em.


And according to Frank, there are so many of them...


Not what I said! I said I get maybe one horn blare per month,
_maximum_. Re-read above! (I actually think it's considerably less.)


I had assumed from your description that it was a daily, or even more
frequent, experience. But once a month? That is verging on the
insignificant, isn't it? Good Lord, in the rainy season here I get wet
at least once a week. But I don't rant and rave about it :-)

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Cheers,

John B.
  #209  
Old April 4th 15, 03:19 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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Default AG: Country Roads

On 4/3/2015 6:31 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 00:13:02 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 4/2/2015 8:16 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 08:32:34 -0400, Duane
wrote:

On 01/04/2015 7:32 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 01 Apr 2015 11:47:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 4/1/2015 4:48 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 23:58:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:
I was just talking about
the motorists who come up and blare the horn out of pure rudeness. IME,
they're extremely unlikely to cause a crash. They just want to show
dominance, and inform us that in their screwball opinion, we have no
right to the road.


I can only assume that you live in an area with a lot of very rude
people.

I can honestly say that it happens so rarely here that I even can't
remember the last time it happened to me.

Actually, no. I'm the guy who says it's a rare occurrence. I think I
get a horn blare maybe once a month at maximum.

Of, course I don't ride in a manner to impede others :-)

That Escalade guy's "impedence" was that he actually had to change
lanes. He didn't even have to slow down. People like that might blare
their horn if I were walking my bike along a sidewalk. Screw 'em.

As I said, apparently a land of many rude people.



It's not that it's a land of many rude people. It's that the rude
people are usually loud, obnoxious and often dangerous. Same here in
Quebec. It's rare that I agree with Frank but in this case he's right.
Screw 'em.


And according to Frank, there are so many of them...


Not what I said! I said I get maybe one horn blare per month,
_maximum_. Re-read above! (I actually think it's considerably less.)


I had assumed from your description that it was a daily, or even more
frequent, experience. But once a month? That is verging on the
insignificant, isn't it? Good Lord, in the rainy season here I get wet
at least once a week. But I don't rant and rave about it :-)


I think it's not only verging on the insignificant, it's deeply into
that territory.

I've been in so many discussions where people were (and are) expressing
deep fear of traffic, claiming they need all sorts of special facilities
and protective equipment to ride bikes, talking about how car drivers
will just run you over, etc. Many of them add explicitly that one dares
not ride anywhere near the middle of the lane because of the terrible
risk.

And my problems have always been insignificant ever since I accepted and
acted on the fact that I have full legal rights to the road. Go figure.


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- Frank Krygowski
  #210  
Old April 5th 15, 05:37 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Joy Beeson
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Default AG: Carrying stuff


When I put a plastic bag of stuff into my panniers, I usually tie the
handles to the panniers, so that it won't bounce out when I hit a
bump, or spill if I fall. If I want the stuff to stay put and not
jiggle, I put both handles through the same hole in the wire panniers,
pull until the stuff is snug and non-shifting, then tie the handles
through a different hole.

Panniers can be piled up without losing stuff if the stuff can't
jiggle.


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