cyclism scandal will make it harder for armstrong

"Kevan Smith" wrote in message
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I have nothing really to say other than I think "cyclism" is one of the
dumbest words ever. Bicyclism is at least a real word, but cyclism is
just some made up marketing bull****. I wonder how many Escalade
commercials will be on during Tour coverage this year.

Kevan is an idiot (beside being a scoundrel and a jackass) and you listen to
him/her at your peril. Only cyclist is correct; anything else is bonkers.
Bicyclism - what an asshole! Kevan is the biggest bull ****ter ever to
infect RBM.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Bill" wrote in message
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Kevan Smith wrote:
I have nothing really to say other than I think "cyclism" is one of the
dumbest words ever. Bicyclism is at least a real word, but cyclism is
just some made up marketing bull****. I wonder how many Escalade
commercials will be on during Tour coverage this year.

Bad words aside, I notice that reference has been made to the Spanish
being in charge of drug testing. Did any of them get kicked out?
With Ullrich and some of the other favorites out I may not even watch it
this year.
Bill Baka

Many a Spanish rider will not be riding the Tour this year as quite a few
have been implicated. However, perhaps the main Spanish podium possibility,
Valverde, is still riding.

Cheers, helen s

"Kevan Smith" I have nothing really to say other than I think "cyclism" is
one of the
dumbest words ever. Bicyclism is at least a real word, but cyclism is
just some made up marketing bull****. I wonder how many Escalade
commercials will be on during Tour coverage this year.

I was in Spain in May and a Dutch tourist asked me what I thought about
"cyclism." I had no idea what he was talking about, but it sounded like
cataclysm to me.

Pat in TX

Zoot Katz writes:

how come armstrong would be the only one from the elite who didn't
do drugs?

IMP, (in my paranoia) he became a gene doping guinea pig and quite
possibly hasn't used performance enhancing drugs since 2001 when it
became possible to test for EPO.

That Dick Pound mentioned two years ago the challenge gene doping
presents to WADA leaves me suspecting they're looking for ways to
close the barn door after the horses/hackers have gone.

If you read the accounts in the press, you'll find that testing for
these drugs and blood doping has become increasingly difficult, and
that police work searching for evidence in laboratories has been more
successful. In fact most of what just came out in this respect was
from just such police work. Because French and Spanish police do not
operate in the USA, they found no incriminating evidence in Lance's
medical support lab.

You can draw your own conclusions but a rider of such extraordinary
performance, who does not compete in other races except the TdF,
remaining secretive about his bicycling, raises suspicion with any but
the staunchest US flag wavers.

Jobst Brandt

Zoot Katz wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:23:16 -0500, ZeMascouflatte wrote:

how come armstrong would be the only one from the elite who didn't do
drugs?

IMP, (in my paranoia) he became a gene doping guinea pig and quite
possibly hasn't used performance enhancing drugs since 2001 when it
became possible to test for EPO.

That Dick Pound mentioned two years ago the challenge gene doping
presents to WADA leaves me suspecting they're looking for ways to
close the barn door after the horses/hackers have gone.
--
zk

Yeah, gene doping.

Here's an interesting sci-am article on the topic. Worth
a look, lots of into on how muscles work too.

http://scientificamerican.com/articl...mber=1&catID=2

-Eric B

Edward Dolan wrote:
"Kevan Smith" wrote in message
...
I have nothing really to say other than I think "cyclism" is one of the
dumbest words ever. Bicyclism is at least a real word, but cyclism is
just some made up marketing bull****. I wonder how many Escalade
commercials will be on during Tour coverage this year.

Kevan is an idiot (beside being a scoundrel and a jackass) and you listen to
him/her at your peril. Only cyclist is correct; anything else is bonkers.
Bicyclism - what an asshole! Kevan is the biggest bull ****ter ever to
infect RBM.

Now if I did this to you, you would accuse me of being a stalket, a
leech and a sponge, but you exempt yourself from the rules that you
expect others to play by

Jim McNamara


Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

If Armstrong was doping, that just levels the playing field from my
perspective, but he was the most tested member of the pro peleton and
has never tested positive under controlled conditions. On the other
hand, since no one has yet mentioned a few things, I will. Lance is a
genetic freak of sorts. He has an extra long femur providing
additional leverage, a heart about 1/3 larger and lung capacity about 2
liters larger allowing for cirulation of more oxygenated blood volume,
and he produces less lactic acid (blood lactate) and disposes of it
more quickly than the average pro cyclist providing for a higher
performance threshold. In other words, Lance is a near perfect
biological specimen for his chosen profession. In addition, his
intense training ethic and regimen are legendary. Even without
performance enhancing drugs, these factors alone put the majority of
Lance's comeptitors at a distinct disadvantage. If one includes a
magic performance potino into the mix, would it be any wonder that
everyone else was racing for second place for 7 years?

Jim McNamara

ZeMascouflatte wrote:
the scandal unfolding in europe right now involves he major riders of
the last 8 years: ullrich, basso, sevilla etc...
it seems that evidence and documents presented by the spanish
investigators of 'operation puerto' and the people in charge of the tour
de france were convincing enough for the teams to suspend their riders.
which begs the question:
how come armstrong would be the only one from the elite who didn't do
drugs?
if the fact are proven, and the spanish deprtment seems confident enougn
that it went public, a lot of people may have a hard time to believe it,
with or without proof.
when the top athletes in a sport are all involved, at this level of
fitness and preparation for the tour, that a single guy makes it 7 years
in a row being clean will seem very strange, to say the least.
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If you go to http://www.lancearmstrong.com/ and click on about, he has
his biography.
He won a triathalon at age 13, turned pro at 16, long before he had any
money to pay for any treatments.

wrote:
If Armstrong was doping, that just levels the playing field from my
perspective, but he was the most tested member of the pro peleton and
has never tested positive under controlled conditions. On the other
hand, since no one has yet mentioned a few things, I will. Lance is a
genetic freak of sorts. He has an extra long femur providing
additional leverage, a heart about 1/3 larger and lung capacity about 2
liters larger allowing for cirulation of more oxygenated blood volume,
and he produces less lactic acid (blood lactate) and disposes of it
more quickly than the average pro cyclist providing for a higher
performance threshold. In other words, Lance is a near perfect
biological specimen for his chosen profession. In addition, his
intense training ethic and regimen are legendary. Even without
performance enhancing drugs, these factors alone put the majority of
Lance's comeptitors at a distinct disadvantage. If one includes a
magic performance potino into the mix, would it be any wonder that
everyone else was racing for second place for 7 years?

Jim McNamara

ZeMascouflatte wrote:
the scandal unfolding in europe right now involves he major riders of
the last 8 years: ullrich, basso, sevilla etc...
it seems that evidence and documents presented by the spanish
investigators of 'operation puerto' and the people in charge of the tour
de france were convincing enough for the teams to suspend their riders.
which begs the question:
how come armstrong would be the only one from the elite who didn't do
drugs?
if the fact are proven, and the spanish deprtment seems confident enougn
that it went public, a lot of people may have a hard time to believe it,
with or without proof.
when the top athletes in a sport are all involved, at this level of
fitness and preparation for the tour, that a single guy makes it 7 years
in a row being clean will seem very strange, to say the least.
--
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ZeMascouflatte wrote:
the scandal unfolding in europe right now involves he major riders of
the last 8 years: ullrich, basso, sevilla etc...
it seems that evidence and documents presented by the spanish
investigators of 'operation puerto' and the people in charge of the tour
de france were convincing enough for the teams to suspend their riders.
which begs the question:
how come armstrong would be the only one from the elite who didn't do
drugs?
if the fact are proven, and the spanish deprtment seems confident enougn
that it went public, a lot of people may have a hard time to believe it,
with or without proof.
when the top athletes in a sport are all involved, at this level of
fitness and preparation for the tour, that a single guy makes it 7 years
in a row being clean will seem very strange, to say the least.

I think it's important to remember that the riders in question were
*not* ejected by the TdF officials. The riders were suspended by their
own teams in accordance with that section of the ProTour ethics code
that says riders who are the targets of criminal investigations may not
compete in ProTour sanctioned events. IMO such a "guilty until proven
innocent" clause has no place in something called an ethics code
because the chances of abuse are far too great but anyway, the TdF is
simply following their own rules by not allowing the teams to replace
those riders. BTW, the scandal is more aptly called the Operation
Puerto scandal. I believe "Cyclism" was coined by OLN to describe their
television coverage.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

"Edward Dolan" wrote in
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Kevan is an idiot (beside being a scoundrel and a jackass) and you
listen to him/her at your peril. Only cyclist is correct; anything
else is bonkers. Bicyclism - what an asshole! Kevan is the biggest
bull ****ter ever to infect RBM.

I'm a lesbian, but you're the type of man a depraved abomination like me
could go for!

BTW, bicyclism is a real English word that means "the art of riding a
bicycle."

Now to update the filters on this computer ....

*plonk*

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