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After all these decades, I have no fancy hex wrenches -- nothing with a t-handle. Fanciest is a pedal wrench and a Park three-way. Are the Park T-handle wrenches worth it versus the standard long wrenches, e.g. https://www.westernbikeworks.com/pro...hex-wrench-set I'm also a little leery of the ball end fit.
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On 6/7/2018 11:01 AM, jbeattie wrote:
After all these decades, I have no fancy hex wrenches -- nothing with a t-handle. Fanciest is a pedal wrench and a Park three-way. Are the Park T-handle wrenches worth it versus the standard long wrenches, e.g. https://www.westernbikeworks.com/pro...hex-wrench-set I'm also a little leery of the ball end fit. -- Jay Beattie Bondhus ball ends are very handy for light quick assembly especially with a screwdriver handle for things such as water bottle bolts. Switch to a full-engagement key to apply actual torque. short answer= you need both. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 09:01:23 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote: After all these decades, I have no fancy hex wrenches -- nothing with a t-handle. Fanciest is a pedal wrench and a Park three-way. Are the Park T-handle wrenches worth it versus the standard long wrenches, e.g. https://www.westernbikeworks.com/pro...hex-wrench-set I'm also a little leery of the ball end fit. -- Jay Beattie Think about switching to Wera Hex-Plus wrenches: https://www-us.wera.de/en/great-tools/l-keys-in-a-two-component-clip/ https://www-us.wera.de/en/great-tools/hex-plus/ "German Tool Reviews: Wera Hex L-Keys" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi-i1bRWzFI "Why I now exclusively use Hex-Plus L-Keys: A short demonstration" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t82jTk3mP5E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRZjNYGHeRQ -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On 6/7/2018 9:01 AM, jbeattie wrote:
After all these decades, I have no fancy hex wrenches -- nothing with a t-handle. Fanciest is a pedal wrench and a Park three-way. Are the Park T-handle wrenches worth it versus the standard long wrenches, e.g. https://www.westernbikeworks.com/pro...hex-wrench-set I'm also a little leery of the ball end fit. That is not a link for the T-handle Park wrenches. Actually you want P-handle wrenches. https://www.bikenashbar.com/cycling/nashbar-p-handle-hex-wrench-set-bn-phs2-base https://www.coloradocyclist.com/park-ph-1-p-handle-hex-wrench-set |
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jbeattie wrote:
:After all these decades, I have no fancy hex wrenches -- nothing with a t-handle. Fanciest is a pedal wrench and a Park three-way. Are the Park T-handle wrenches worth it versus the standard long wrenches, e.g. https://www.westernbikeworks.com/pro...hex-wrench-set I'm also a little leery of the ball end fit. Park's hex wrenches used to be (and may still be) made by bondus. This is the set I use for bikes: https://www.amazon.com/Bondhus-13389.../dp/B00012Y38C I also use these (long L balldrivers) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E80G7A which are nice for obstructed pieces. I also a set of standard length Elkind hex keys, which are handy for putting in a pocket to go visit someone, and surprisingly nice for how cheap they are. I've also got assorted bits for interchangle bit screwdrivers, and sockets, which find a use on bikes once in a while. I fail to understand the love for Wera drivers. They're really expensive for Chinese made tools, and not any nicer than what Bondhus sell. -- sig 39 |
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David Scheidt wrote:
I've also got assorted bits for interchangle bit screwdrivers, and sockets, which find a use on bikes once in a while. No kidding, perhaps more common on my bikes than your road bikes and MTBs. The common small bolt heads and nuts are almost always 9mm or 10mm, sometimes 7mm or 9mm but much more rarely so. The axle dome nuts are 14mm or 15mm, so it is cool to have deep well sockets for the torque wrench, and a ring wrench that is one end 14, the other 15, prior to the torque. Sometimes on the same axle, one nut is 14, the other 15! On the saddle and kickstand for some reason (likewise on furniture) 13mm is a popular choice. So I try to cover those in just about every format there is, socket, ratchet, combination, ring, open, closed, deep, driver, blah blah blah. I fail to understand the love for Wera drivers. They're really expensive for Chinese made tools, and not any nicer than what Bondhus sell. What's the difference between the Wera Hex-Plus and Bondhus ball end? Bondhus is great, obviously. I have no experience with the Wera range but I have walked by it countless of times in the accursed hardware store... -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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Emanuel Berg wrote:
avid Scheidt wrote: : I've also got assorted bits for interchangle : bit screwdrivers, and sockets, which find : a use on bikes once in a while. :No kidding, perhaps more common on my bikes :than your road bikes and MTBs. The common small :bolt heads and nuts are almost always 9mm or I actually meant 'sockets with a hex bit in them', like these https://store.snapon.com/Hex-Standar...t-P630933.aspx since we're tlking about hex wrenches. (I have the sort you're talking about, as well as a collection of wrenches. many sorts.) :What's the difference between the Wera Hex-Plus :and Bondhus ball end? Bondhus is great, bviously. I have no experience with the Wera :range but I have walked by it countless of :times in the accursed hardware store... the hex plus isn't hex shaped. it has the corners cut off (it's more complicated than taht, but that's a first approximation), so that the force is applied away from the cornders of the fastener hex. That's not a bad idea, it's universal in box end wrench designs. I haven't found it to be a problem with hex socket cap screws, though. At least when using the right bit, because there isn't enough clearance for the tool to rotate in the hole. -- sig 11 |
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 17:53:42 +0000 (UTC), David Scheidt
wrote: I fail to understand the love for Wera drivers. They're really expensive for Chinese made tools, and not any nicer than what Bondhus sell. Wera tools are made in Czech Republic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wera_Tools I can't explain why I like them. Maybe it's because I haven't mangled any hex head fasteners for many years. Maybe it's because they actually fit the hex heat bolt. Maybe because I think stainless hex drivers are cool and some kind of status symbol. Maybe because I have used their jewelers screwdriver sets without destroying as many Philips screw heads as I did in the past using Craftsman screwdrivers. One problem I have will many hex head drivers is that older cap screws tend to have a loose fit after being inserted and removed a few times. The sides of the hex usually expands in the middle, but leaves the corners in their original condition. Since the Hex-Plus patterns grabs the head by the corners, it still has a good fit. Commodity hex drivers tend to have a not so good fit, will rattle around in the heat, and may pop out if tightened at a slight angle. To be fair, I still have various newer Craftsman, Home Despot, and Chinese hand tools. They're handy for loaning to friends and neighbors. I keep the older Craftsman and newer Wera hand tools for myself. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
:On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 17:53:42 +0000 (UTC), David Scheidt wrote: :I fail to understand the love for Wera drivers. They're really :expensive for Chinese made tools, and not any nicer than what Bondhus :sell. :Wera tools are made in Czech Republic: :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wera_Tools Pull the other one. It's got bells on. They're assembled in CZ, what that actually means isn't transparent, given the EUs horrible COO regulations. (EU regulations let you put a "made in EU country" sticker on something for export, even if the only operation done in the EU was taking it out of a bulk box, putting the made in country sticker on it, and putting it in an idividual box.. That's improvement. Until recently you could claim "made in foo" if the product had been to foo. A few countries had stronger rules.) My educated suspicion is that the driver blades come from the factories in China that Wera make bits in. Handles are probaly czech. -- sig 99 |
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On 6/7/2018 12:53 PM, David Scheidt wrote:
jbeattie wrote: :After all these decades, I have no fancy hex wrenches -- nothing with a t-handle. Fanciest is a pedal wrench and a Park three-way. Are the Park T-handle wrenches worth it versus the standard long wrenches, e.g. https://www.westernbikeworks.com/pro...hex-wrench-set I'm also a little leery of the ball end fit. Park's hex wrenches used to be (and may still be) made by bondus. This is the set I use for bikes: https://www.amazon.com/Bondhus-13389.../dp/B00012Y38C I also use these (long L balldrivers) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E80G7A which are nice for obstructed pieces. I also a set of standard length Elkind hex keys, which are handy for putting in a pocket to go visit someone, and surprisingly nice for how cheap they are. I've also got assorted bits for interchangle bit screwdrivers, and sockets, which find a use on bikes once in a while. I fail to understand the love for Wera drivers. They're really expensive for Chinese made tools, and not any nicer than what Bondhus sell. We're also happy with Wiha allen products: https://www.wihatools.com/hex-tools/ball-end-hex some of which are very old and have been re faced many times. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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