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Raged motorist strikes two cyclists
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:28:16 -0700, SMS
said in : They do the only thing they can do. Facts, science, and logic have no place in the world of the AHZ's. Once again Steven M Scharf falsely accuses others of his own worst faults. Here's a checklist for you, Scharf - how many of the following have you read? http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki...idence/By_date Note that several of your opponents in this debate show familiarity with the literature and cite it frequently. Whereas you... don't. Yup, your spectacularly stupid statement is in fact a precise reversal of the truth. Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound |
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Raged motorist strikes two cyclists
Brent P? wrote:
...Of course your pro-helmet arguments are about on par with Frank's pro-speed-hump arguments. Nothing wrong with the occasional quick..., oh sorry, family newsgroups. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia A Real Cyclist [TM] keeps at least one bicycle in the bedroom. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Raged motorist strikes two cyclists
Brent P? wrote:
... no lie at all... there was this one woman who pulled along side me and honked and then proceeded to block traffic to tell me about the virtues of foam hat wearing. I've had oncoming drivers yell 'wear a helmet' at me. It's in 3rd place after 'get off the road' and 'get on the sidewalk' for things yelled at me while riding.... Next time I am in The Great City of Chicaguh (sic), I am going to yell "wear a magic foam hat" at every lidless cyclist in case it is Brent P. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia A Real Cyclist [TM] keeps at least one bicycle in the bedroom. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Can we get this thread to the 1,000 posts mark?
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With the help of our friend from Ontario and some helmetless cyclists the goal should be met. ~ |
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Raged motorist strikes two cyclists
In article ubmAi.964$j23.151@trndny06,
Lobby Dosser wrote: Get to the decision makers and leaders in the legislature. Don't do it publicly. In a word, Lobby. ) As for adopting the ways which the State has provided for remedying the evil, I know not of such ways. They take too much time, and a man's life will be gone. I have other affairs to attend to. I came into this world, not chiefly to make this a good place to live in, but to live in it, be it good or bad. A man has not everything to do, but something; and because he cannot do everything, it is not necessary that he should do something wrong. It is not my business to be petitioning the Governor or the Legislature any more than it is theirs to petition me; and if they should not hear my petition, what should I do then? -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. |
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Raged motorist strikes two cyclists
In article om,
Woody Brison wrote: On Aug 21, 5:07 pm, Festivus wrote: But I don't have any problem with allowing personal choice in any of this. Motorcycle helmets, seat belts, whatever - once you hit 18, you ought to be able to make your own call. If all individuals paid for their own hospitalization, that'd be fine, but we pay as a group. Insurance premiums and taxes. It makes sense to try to protect the group from excessive levies. Once that principle is accepted it leads directly to totalitarianism with no intervening qualitative distinctions. Unless you're my insurer (not another policyholder, but the insurer itself), you've got no business trying to restrict my activities. If the government, the hospitals, or some other organization I did not contract with to provide care offers to do so, I incur no obligations -- particularly, no obligations to avoid activities which would result in them providing care -- as a result. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. |
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Raged motorist strikes two cyclists
In article .com,
Woody Brison wrote: This is persuasive on the one hand, yet walking goes maybe 5 mph and cycling goes around 15 to 20, more for serious riders. The energy goes up with the square of the velocity so an increase from 5 to 25 is an increase in kinetic energy of 25X. That's why. You're about as likely to hit a post riding as walking. Yet, I've seen people do it walking. More likely to hit it walking, I'd wager, because people less often pay attention to where they are going when walking than when cycling, probably precisely because the consequences of hitting something while walking are usually small. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. |
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Raged motorist strikes two cyclists
In article . com,
Woody Brison wrote: That depends on the situation. In orbit, it's zero. During launch it could be several tons. What you really want to know is my mass. Believe it or not, I've known ROCKET SCIENTISTS to get that confused. Because the term "weight" refers to mass in most contexts, and always has. A balance scale measures mass. The contexts in which it does not (e.g. when talking about "weight transfer" during braking or acceleration) are the unusual ones. In the case of one's body weight, it's mass being referred to. The Physics 101 claim that "weight" refers only to force just isn't true, except perhaps Physics 101 textbook problems. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. |
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Raged motorist strikes two cyclists
In article . com,
wrote: There's a good chance that's another statement from ignorance. My club's insurance does not require helmets. Granted, his club is in a different state, and perhaps every insurance company licensed in his state does require helmets, but it's rather unlikely. The League of American Bicyclists' event insurance is available in every state, AFAIK, and it does not require helmets. The "insurance requires it" line is common among control freaks because it's credible, it's sometimes true, and because there's no way of disproving it unless you're on the board of the organization making the claim. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. |
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Raged motorist strikes two cyclists
Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
In article . com, wrote: There's a good chance that's another statement from ignorance. My club's insurance does not require helmets. Granted, his club is in a different state, and perhaps every insurance company licensed in his state does require helmets, but it's rather unlikely. The League of American Bicyclists' event insurance is available in every state, AFAIK, and it does not require helmets. The "insurance requires it" line is common among control freaks because it's credible, it's sometimes true, and because there's no way of disproving it unless you're on the board of the organization making the claim. Hey, we fought the mandatory helmet requirement in my club for years, and I was one of the ride leaders that said I would stop leading rides if it was implemented. Eventually it came down to a choice of requiring helmets or shutting the club down for lack of liability insurance. That said, during the long arguments at club meetings over the issue, we always took the personal freedom approach. Trying to deny that you're better off hitting your head without a helmet than with a helmet is an argument that none of us would have dreamed of bringing up, but our club is mainly made up of engineering types that understand risk analysis. |
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