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Previous post lamented the high price of SR. MailOrder places has 7900
now and what made it so expensive? Particularly when compared to 7800? $700 STI levers, $700 aluminum crank, $70 chain and $300 cogset. Very similar to Record, BTW, w/o the carbon. ALL 2009 'stuff' is too expensive but HUGE gap between 6600 and 7900...and DAe-almost $5000..... |
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, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: Previous post lamented the high price of SR. MailOrder places has 7900 now and what made it so expensive? Particularly when compared to 7800? $700 STI levers, $700 aluminum crank, $70 chain and $300 cogset. Very similar to Record, BTW, w/o the carbon. ALL 2009 'stuff' is too expensive but HUGE gap between 6600 and 7900...and DAe-almost $5000..... Dunno what happened but at those prices it should be feasible to make a complete group here in the US and sell it for less. |
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On Nov 27, 8:07*am, Tim McNamara wrote:
In article , *Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: Previous post lamented the high price of SR. MailOrder places has 7900 now and what made it so expensive? Particularly when compared to 7800? $700 STI levers, $700 aluminum crank, $70 chain and $300 cogset. Very similar to Record, BTW, w/o the carbon. ALL 2009 'stuff' is too expensive but HUGE gap between 6600 and 7900...and DAe-almost $5000..... Dunno what happened but at those prices it should be feasible to make a complete group here in the US and sell it for less. MO places were US based. |
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On Nov 27, 8:44*am, Qui si parla Campagnolo
wrote: On Nov 27, 8:07*am, Tim McNamara wrote: In article , *Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: Previous post lamented the high price of SR. MailOrder places has 7900 now and what made it so expensive? Particularly when compared to 7800? $700 STI levers, $700 aluminum crank, $70 chain and $300 cogset. Very similar to Record, BTW, w/o the carbon. ALL 2009 'stuff' is too expensive but HUGE gap between 6600 and 7900...and DAe-almost $5000..... Dunno what happened but at those prices it should be feasible to make a complete group here in the US and sell it for less. MO places were US based. I think Tim meant "manufacture." To which I say, SRAM is HQed in Chicago. |
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Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
Previous post lamented the high price of SR. MailOrder places has 7900 now and what made it so expensive? Particularly when compared to 7800? $700 STI levers, $700 aluminum crank, $70 chain and $300 cogset. Very similar to Record, BTW, w/o the carbon. ALL 2009 'stuff' is too expensive but HUGE gap between 6600 and 7900...and DAe-almost $5000..... Tim McNamara wrote: Dunno what happened but at those prices it should be feasible to make a complete group here in the US and sell it for less. Duty on bicycle parts ranges zero to 15% most items 5%. Freight on an ensemble about 3%, maybe less. Not enough spread for our expensive USA overhead (very high corp taxes, environmental regulation, labor etc). Note this is not a polemic. Simply, the numbers do not support USA built full-ensemble pro bicycle equipment. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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"A Muzi" wrote in message
... Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: Previous post lamented the high price of SR. MailOrder places has 7900 now and what made it so expensive? Particularly when compared to 7800? $700 STI levers, $700 aluminum crank, $70 chain and $300 cogset. Very similar to Record, BTW, w/o the carbon. ALL 2009 'stuff' is too expensive but HUGE gap between 6600 and 7900...and DAe-almost $5000..... Tim McNamara wrote: Dunno what happened but at those prices it should be feasible to make a complete group here in the US and sell it for less. Duty on bicycle parts ranges zero to 15% most items 5%. Freight on an ensemble about 3%, maybe less. Not enough spread for our expensive USA overhead (very high corp taxes, environmental regulation, labor etc). Note this is not a polemic. Simply, the numbers do not support USA built full-ensemble pro bicycle equipment. -- Andrew Muzi Wouldn't matter anyway. We avoid manufacturing, or anything else involving significant capital expenditure in equipment, like the plague. The financial rewards in our economy come from the financing end of things, not manufacturing. Much less risk to go overseas for quotes and have someone else deal with plant expenses. We (the US) want everything clean & tidy & profitable in the short term. We don't even consider investing in people to be worthwhile anymore, unless they're the small handful in the executive boardroom who determine their pay among themselves with little, if any, oversight. So no, you won't see a US-made component group. Nor many other things that *could* be made here, but won't. We would rather invest elsewhere. --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com |
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On Nov 27, 11:40*am, Hank wrote:
On Nov 27, 8:44*am, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: On Nov 27, 8:07*am, Tim McNamara wrote: In article , *Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: Previous post lamented the high price of SR. MailOrder places has 7900 now and what made it so expensive? Particularly when compared to 7800? $700 STI levers, $700 aluminum crank, $70 chain and $300 cogset. Very similar to Record, BTW, w/o the carbon. ALL 2009 'stuff' is too expensive but HUGE gap between 6600 and 7900...and DAe-almost $5000..... Dunno what happened but at those prices it should be feasible to make a complete group here in the US and sell it for less. MO places were US based. I think Tim meant "manufacture." To which I say, SRAM is HQed in Chicago. Nothing Sram 'makes' is made in the USA. |
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Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
Previous post lamented the high price of SR. MailOrder places has 7900 now and what made it so expensive? Particularly when compared to 7800? $700 STI levers, $700 aluminum crank, $70 chain and $300 cogset. Very similar to Record, BTW, w/o the carbon. ALL 2009 'stuff' is too expensive but HUGE gap between 6600 and 7900...and DAe-almost $5000..... Tim McNamara wrote: Dunno what happened but at those prices it should be feasible to make a complete group here in the US and sell it for less. "A Muzi" wrote Duty on bicycle parts ranges zero to 15% most items 5%. Freight on an ensemble about 3%, maybe less. Not enough spread for our expensive USA overhead (very high corp taxes, environmental regulation, labor etc). Note this is not a polemic. Simply, the numbers do not support USA built full-ensemble pro bicycle equipment. Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: Wouldn't matter anyway. We avoid manufacturing, or anything else involving significant capital expenditure in equipment, like the plague. The financial rewards in our economy come from the financing end of things, not manufacturing. Much less risk to go overseas for quotes and have someone else deal with plant expenses. We (the US) want everything clean & tidy & profitable in the short term. We don't even consider investing in people to be worthwhile anymore, unless they're the small handful in the executive boardroom who determine their pay among themselves with little, if any, oversight. So no, you won't see a US-made component group. Nor many other things that *could* be made here, but won't. We would rather invest elsewhere. Yes, exactly. Among the myriad disincentives to manufacturing here are the cruel pointless and dysfunctional capital depreciation rules. Every factor is stacked against a US manufacturer. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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"A Muzi" wrote in message ... Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: Previous post lamented the high price of SR. MailOrder places has 7900 now and what made it so expensive? Particularly when compared to 7800? $700 STI levers, $700 aluminum crank, $70 chain and $300 cogset. Very similar to Record, BTW, w/o the carbon. ALL 2009 'stuff' is too expensive but HUGE gap between 6600 and 7900...and DAe-almost $5000..... Tim McNamara wrote: Dunno what happened but at those prices it should be feasible to make a complete group here in the US and sell it for less. Duty on bicycle parts ranges zero to 15% most items 5%. Freight on an ensemble about 3%, maybe less. Not enough spread for our expensive USA overhead (very high corp taxes, environmental regulation, labor etc). Note this is not a polemic. Simply, the numbers do not support USA built full-ensemble pro bicycle equipment. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** We do, I'll venture, have rather different political views. But you identified "overhead" and attributed specific associated costs to it. Just looking at all-Italian Campy, in each category you set out, the relative costs are higher in Italy, not just due to exchange rates. And the social charges for labor dwarf American costs. Do you really believe what you said, or did you leave out other more burdensome costs of American factory production? -- Bonne route ! Sandy Verneuil-sur-Seine FR |
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"A Muzi" wrote in message ... Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: Previous post lamented the high price of SR. MailOrder places has 7900 now and what made it so expensive? Particularly when compared to 7800? $700 STI levers, $700 aluminum crank, $70 chain and $300 cogset. Very similar to Record, BTW, w/o the carbon. ALL 2009 'stuff' is too expensive but HUGE gap between 6600 and 7900...and DAe-almost $5000..... Tim McNamara wrote: Dunno what happened but at those prices it should be feasible to make a complete group here in the US and sell it for less. "A Muzi" wrote Duty on bicycle parts ranges zero to 15% most items 5%. Freight on an ensemble about 3%, maybe less. Not enough spread for our expensive USA overhead (very high corp taxes, environmental regulation, labor etc). Note this is not a polemic. Simply, the numbers do not support USA built full-ensemble pro bicycle equipment. Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: Wouldn't matter anyway. We avoid manufacturing, or anything else involving significant capital expenditure in equipment, like the plague. The financial rewards in our economy come from the financing end of things, not manufacturing. Much less risk to go overseas for quotes and have someone else deal with plant expenses. We (the US) want everything clean & tidy & profitable in the short term. We don't even consider investing in people to be worthwhile anymore, unless they're the small handful in the executive boardroom who determine their pay among themselves with little, if any, oversight. So no, you won't see a US-made component group. Nor many other things that *could* be made here, but won't. We would rather invest elsewhere. Yes, exactly. Among the myriad disincentives to manufacturing here are the cruel pointless and dysfunctional capital depreciation rules. Every factor is stacked against a US manufacturer. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** Well, you added to the mix, here, but I think you would be hard pressed to find Campagnolo's Italy more lenient on this tax issue. My vote is for Mike's point: that high ROI with minimal capital outlay is the goal of most business ventures today. In a couple of retail oriented clients, I happen to know that retail prices are six times the delivered costs of the objects sold. Margins of that magnitude discourage selling parallel domestic made product at the same retail price, where the margin is one third against imported ones from developing economies. Retail prices may be competitive, but margin is tighter. This same drive - to maximize ROI and minimize actual investment - is what has driven manufacturing concerns out of the US or out of business, I believe. -- Bonne route ! Sandy Verneuil-sur-Seine FR |
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