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Responsible cyclists who fear traffic are allowed to cycle on pavements!
One in the eye for the motorists here who are always banging on about
pavement cycling. "...On 1st August 1999, new legislation came into force to allow a fixed penalty notice to be served on anyone who is guilty of cycling on a footway. However the Home Office issued guidance on how the new legislation should be applied, indicating that they should only be used where a cyclist is riding in a manner that may endanger others. At the time Home Office Minister Paul Boateng issued a letter stating that: "The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police discretion is required." Almost identical advice has since been issued by the Home Office with regards the use of fixed penalty notices by 'Community Support Officers' and wardens. "CSOs and accredited persons will be accountable in the same way as police officers. They will be under the direction and control of the chief officer, supervised on a daily basis by the local community beat officer and will be subject to the same police complaints system. The Government have included provision in the Anti Social Behaviour Bill to enable CSOs and accredited persons to stop those cycling irresponsibly on the pavement in order to issue a fixed penalty notice. I should stress that the issue is about inconsiderate cycling on the pavements. The new provisions are not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of the traffic, and who show consideration to other road users when doing so. Chief officers recognise that the fixed penalty needs to be used with a considerable degree of discretion and it cannot be issued to anyone under the age of 16. (Letter to Mr H. Peel from John Crozier of The Home Office, reference T5080/4, 23 February 2004) " http://www.bikeforall.net/content/cy...nd_the_law.php -- . UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net The Law is always open to question. |
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Responsible cyclists who fear traffic are allowed to cycle onpavements!
On 25/09/2010 07:56, Doug wrote:
..... I should stress that the issue is about inconsiderate cycling on the pavements. The new provisions are not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of the traffic, and who show consideration to other road users when doing so. Chief officers recognise that the fixed penalty needs to be used with a considerable degree of discretion and it cannot be issued to anyone under the age of 16. (Letter to Mr H. Peel from John Crozier of The Home Office, reference T5080/4, 23 February 2004) " .... You are not under 16 and the tone of your posts suggests you are not likely to be a considerate cyclist either. Colin Bignell |
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Responsible cyclists who fear traffic are allowed to cycle on pavements!
On 25 Sep, 08:28, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote:
On 25/09/2010 07:56, Doug wrote: .... I should stress that the issue is about inconsiderate cycling on the pavements. The new provisions are not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of the traffic, and who show consideration to other road users when doing so. Chief officers recognise that the fixed penalty needs to be used with a considerable degree of discretion and it cannot be issued to anyone under the age of 16. (Letter to Mr H. Peel from John Crozier of The Home Office, reference T5080/4, 23 February 2004) " You are not under 16 and the tone of your posts suggests you are not likely to be a considerate cyclist either. It covers cyclists of any age who behave responsibly. Doug. |
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Responsible cyclists who fear traffic are allowed to cycle on pavements!
On Sep 25, 7:56*am, Doug wrote:
One in the eye for the motorists here who are always banging on about pavement cycling. A responsible cyclist would not cycle on the pavement. "...On 1st August 1999, new legislation came into force to allow a fixed penalty notice to be served on anyone who is guilty of cycling on a footway. However the Home Office issued guidance on how the new legislation should be applied, indicating that they should only be used where a cyclist is riding in a manner that may endanger others. If a pedestrian feels threatened, then the cyclist is endangering him. At the time Home Office Minister Paul Boateng issued a letter stating that: "The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing so. A very rare person. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police discretion is required." Almost identical advice has since been issued by the Home Office with regards the use of fixed penalty notices by 'Community Support Officers' and wardens. "CSOs and accredited persons will be accountable in the same way as police officers. They will be under the direction and control of the chief officer, supervised on a daily basis by the local community beat officer and will be subject to the same police complaints system. The Government have included provision in the Anti Social Behaviour Bill to enable CSOs and accredited persons to stop those cycling irresponsibly on the pavement in order to issue a fixed penalty notice. I should stress that the issue is about inconsiderate cycling on the pavements. See above .. The new provisions are not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of the traffic, Note the word 'sometimes' and who show consideration to other road users when doing so. Chief officers recognise that the fixed penalty needs to be used with a considerable degree of discretion and it cannot be issued to anyone under the age of 16. (Letter to Mr H. Peel from John Crozier of The Home Office, reference T5080/4, 23 February 2004) " http://www.bikeforall.net/content/cy...nd_the_law.php -- . UK Radical Campaigns.http://www.zing.icom43.net The Law is always open to question. So this rule would not apply to cyclists who mount the pavement to get past a road junction easier & also the ones who ride on the pavement in my road when there is no traffic about? |
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Responsible cyclists who fear traffic are allowed to cycle on pavements!
Doug wrote:
On 25 Sep, 08:28, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote: On 25/09/2010 07:56, Doug wrote: .... I should stress that the issue is about inconsiderate cycling on the pavements. The new provisions are not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of the traffic, and who show consideration to other road users when doing so. Chief officers recognise that the fixed penalty needs to be used with a considerable degree of discretion and it cannot be issued to anyone under the age of 16. (Letter to Mr H. Peel from John Crozier of The Home Office, reference T5080/4, 23 February 2004) " You are not under 16 and the tone of your posts suggests you are not likely to be a considerate cyclist either. It covers cyclists of any age who behave responsibly. The criteria are (a) you have to be in fear of the traffic and (b) you show consideration to other road users. Your previous activities at Critical Mass show you don't have either. Tough. You're excluded. |
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Responsible cyclists who fear traffic are allowed to cycle on pavements!
On 25 Sep, 09:28, "Norman Wells" wrote:
Doug wrote: On 25 Sep, 08:28, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote: On 25/09/2010 07:56, Doug wrote: .... I should stress that the issue is about inconsiderate cycling on the pavements. The new provisions are not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of the traffic, and who show consideration to other road users when doing so. Chief officers recognise that the fixed penalty needs to be used with a considerable degree of discretion and it cannot be issued to anyone under the age of 16. (Letter to Mr H. Peel from John Crozier of The Home Office, reference T5080/4, 23 February 2004) " You are not under 16 and the tone of your posts suggests you are not likely to be a considerate cyclist either. It covers cyclists of any age who behave responsibly. The criteria are (a) you have to be in fear of the traffic and (b) you show consideration to other road users. Your previous activities at Critical Mass show you don't have either. Tough. *You're excluded. Well I don't cycle on pavements anyway, because I find them too inconvenient and cluttered with road signs and lighting for drivers etc., and I have managed to face up to my fear of drivers despite having been hospitalised three times by them already. -- . UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill. |
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webreader wrote:
If a pedestrian feels threatened, then the cyclist is endangering him. Can we therefore agree that if a cyclist feels threatened on the road by a driver, then the driver is endangering them? Tony |
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Responsible cyclists who fear traffic are allowed to cycle on pavements!
Doug wrote:
On 25 Sep, 09:28, "Norman Wells" wrote: Doug wrote: On 25 Sep, 08:28, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote: On 25/09/2010 07:56, Doug wrote: .... I should stress that the issue is about inconsiderate cycling on the pavements. The new provisions are not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of the traffic, and who show consideration to other road users when doing so. Chief officers recognise that the fixed penalty needs to be used with a considerable degree of discretion and it cannot be issued to anyone under the age of 16. (Letter to Mr H. Peel from John Crozier of The Home Office, reference T5080/4, 23 February 2004) " You are not under 16 and the tone of your posts suggests you are not likely to be a considerate cyclist either. It covers cyclists of any age who behave responsibly. The criteria are (a) you have to be in fear of the traffic and (b) you show consideration to other road users. Your previous activities at Critical Mass show you don't have either. Tough. You're excluded. Well I don't cycle on pavements anyway, because I find them too inconvenient and cluttered with road signs and lighting for drivers etc., and I have managed to face up to my fear of drivers despite having been hospitalised three times by them already. Then what on earth are you complaining about? |
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Responsible cyclists who fear traffic are allowed to cycle on pavements!
On 25 Sep, 08:39, Doug wrote:
On 25 Sep, 08:28, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote: On 25/09/2010 07:56, Doug wrote: .... I should stress that the issue is about inconsiderate cycling on the pavements. The new provisions are not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of the traffic, and who show consideration to other road users when doing so. Chief officers recognise that the fixed penalty needs to be used with a considerable degree of discretion and it cannot be issued to anyone under the age of 16. (Letter to Mr H. Peel from John Crozier of The Home Office, reference T5080/4, 23 February 2004) " You are not under 16 and the tone of your posts suggests you are not likely to be a considerate cyclist either. It covers cyclists of any age who behave responsibly. Doug. Thank you Doug. I am heartened to know that common sense appears to prevail here. The other day, two schoolchildren cycled up on the pavement from behind me,slowed to a halt and said to me, "excuse me sir, may we go past you please?". I was amazed and said, "with pleasure" giving them a big smile. Yesterday, I experienced a teenager cycle past me on a narrow pavement at high-speed, which caused me to stop for a moment - I was not as pleased with him. There are many cycle accidents involving women in particular, who get crushed by a left turning lorry as cyle along on the nearside. I do not want to get hit be lorries either, and so I keep off narrow roads or where I fear danger and use the pavement instead, always in an extremely thoughtful way; always giving way to pedestrians and their dogs etc. I suppose that a Labour fake policeman may tell me to get off the bike. I wonder if I would be able to ignore command if I felt that I was being thoughtful and increasing my safety at the the same time? Turk182 |
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Responsible cyclists who fear traffic are allowed to cycle on pavements!
"Doug" wrote in message ... It covers cyclists of any age who behave responsibly. Which excludes you then doesn't it Doug? |
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