when will they learn?

On Jan 4, 4:49*pm, JNugent wrote:
They *expect* to be involved in collisions on a particular run and still go
ahead?


No of course not ...

I accept that if I cycle in a group that from time to time something
will go wrong and I may come off, I think others who cycle in a group
think in the same way.

I can think of many activities in life that you do accepting that
there is some risk to life and limb.

Maybe you live in a padded cell, and can do no damage to yourself
or others?

--
Dan

On 04/01/2011 16:56, wrote:

On Jan 4, 4:49 pm, wrote:

They *expect* to be involved in collisions on a particular run and still go
ahead?

No of course not ...
I accept that if I cycle in a group that from time to time something
will go wrong and I may come off, I think others who cycle in a group
think in the same way.
I can think of many activities in life that you do accepting that
there is some risk to life and limb.
Maybe you live in a padded cell, and can do no damage to yourself
or others?

I do my best not to harm anyone (including myself) on the roads.

If I were ever of the opinion that the risk were as great as that on a
particular journey or with a particular sort of companion, I'd go a different
way.

On Jan 4, 5:03*pm, JNugent wrote:

If I were ever of the opinion that the risk were as great as that on a
particular journey or with a particular sort of companion, I'd go a different
way.

As great as what ?

--
Dan

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On 04/01/2011 14:54, wrote:
On Jan 4, 1:43 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:


riding a pack of bikes so close that their wheels touch is not an accident,
it is criminal recklessness, brought about by a selfish disregard of others'
safety.


Riding in a group is a fun healthy activity that thousands of
cyclists take part in every week. Occasionally wheels touch and some
people come down. Sometimes this results in minor injuries, sometimes
more major. It's a known and expected consequence of riding in a
group.

I reckon it's probably less dangerous than playing rugger.

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On 04/01/2011 17:10, wrote:

On Jan 4, 5:03 pm, wrote:

If I were ever of the opinion that the risk were as great as that on a
particular journey or with a particular sort of companion, I'd go a different
way.

As great as what ?

As great (ie, increased as compared with other sorts of journey) as you
perceive them to be.

You *did* put forward a view that the risk increases when there are lots of
cyclists miling about, didn't you?

On Jan 4, 5:25*pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
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* Riding in a group is a fun healthy activity that thousands of
cyclists take part in every week. Occasionally wheels touch and some
people come down. Sometimes this results in minor injuries, sometimes
more major. It's a known and expected consequence of riding in a
group.

I reckon it's probably less dangerous than playing rugger.


From what I remember about playing Rugby (Union), that don't say very
much!

Derek C

On Jan 4, 7:32*pm, JNugent wrote:

As great (ie, increased as compared with other sorts of journey) as you
perceive them to be.

You *did* put forward a view that the risk increases when there are lots of
cyclists miling about, didn't you?

Did I? I said there are risks which people understand, whether
they're higher or not I don't know, at least I think I did.

But even if it was higher, so what, do you always pick the lowest
risk form of transport for any particular journey? That's not how the
world works, you balance risks against rewards. The rewards of going
out for a 70 mile ride with a sociable group of people, punctuated
maybe with a cup of tea and some carrot cake are to me quite high.
Certainly higher than driving to the same cafe and then driving home.
I guess your mileage may vary.

--
Dan

On 04/01/2011 20:41, wrote:

On Jan 4, 7:32 pm, wrote:

As great (ie, increased as compared with other sorts of journey) as you
perceive them to be.
You *did* put forward a view that the risk increases when there are lots of
cyclists miling about, didn't you?

Did I? I said there are risks which people understand, whether
they're higher or not I don't know, at least I think I did.

You made your comment in the clear and specific context of a crowd of
cyclists travelling closely together, with an accepoted higher risk of
collision between them (and not, for instance, with other road users).

But even if it was higher, so what, do you always pick the lowest
risk form of transport for any particular journey?

You are confused.

I mentioned the *route*, not the mode.

That's not how the
world works, you balance risks against rewards. The rewards of going
out for a 70 mile ride with a sociable group of people, punctuated
maybe with a cup of tea and some carrot cake are to me quite high.
Certainly higher than driving to the same cafe and then driving home.
I guess your mileage may vary.

It might well.

On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 13:43:33 -0000, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Colin Nelson wrote:
Mrcheerful wrote:
Leave a gap, don't travel so close. It really is not rocket science.


http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/bury_st_e...ation_1_765775

Indeed, using the road safely certainly isn't rocket science (but
'accidents' do occur)

riding a pack of bikes so close that their wheels touch is not an accident,
it is criminal recklessness, brought about by a selfish disregard of others'
safety.




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