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Badger_South wrote in
news What I'd like to get is this: http://www.petercrandall.net/biketrip/images/bars.jpg Unfortunately, I believe, they are no longer made anywhere commercially. That's a nice alternative. One problem with all these non-drop-bar alternatives (including the "trekker" bar I mentioned) is the location of the brake levers. With a traditional road drop bar, you can reach the brakes in a fast downhill descent. That's the one thing I miss with the "trekker" bar. When you're stretched out on the outside bar position, it takes a second or two to fall back to the bar position where you can grab the brake levers. On the other hand... that position is far back on the handlebar, so it's good for those "emergency sliding back in the seat to get your CG as far back as possible during braking" maneuvers. For urban commando commuting, that's a useful technique. -- Mike Barrs |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:16:49 -0500, foldedpath
wrote: Badger_South wrote in news What I'd like to get is this: http://www.petercrandall.net/biketrip/images/bars.jpg Unfortunately, I believe, they are no longer made anywhere commercially. That's a nice alternative. One problem with all these non-drop-bar alternatives (including the "trekker" bar I mentioned) is the location of the brake levers. With a traditional road drop bar, you can reach the brakes in a fast downhill descent. That's the one thing I miss with the "trekker" bar. When you're stretched out on the outside bar position, it takes a second or two to fall back to the bar position where you can grab the brake levers. On the other hand... that position is far back on the handlebar, so it's good for those "emergency sliding back in the seat to get your CG as far back as possible during braking" maneuvers. For urban commando commuting, that's a useful technique. Yeah, agree. I was just ignorant when I went for a hybrid, thinking I needed to sit up more didn't realize that with a less radical/racing geometry, as on a Trek 1200C, I could easily sit up a little more (I have a hip injury), plus there are several hand positions, including the palms-facing position. When I bought my bike I was focussed on other issues, such as avoiding suspension forks and getting non-knobby tires, etc., and my riding location had just been paved, but still had some sand here and there after rains and floods, so I was wrongly, for me, locked into the idea of a hybrid. -B |
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maxo wrote in message ...
snip What about some of them fancy Nitto moustache bars like y'all sell online? They're not drops, but they'd offer a lot more hand positions than crummy straight bars. You could mount the grip shifters with regular grips + tape, or just tape the whole bar. You'd probably want to get some new road brake levers since they work better with moustache bars. One could even go for some bar-end shifters,but then things start to get spendy and up towards the price of going the drop bar/brifter route, unless you get some used and/or friction jobbers of the net somewhere... Waddaya think? Grip Shifts will not fit Moustache bars. Moustache bars are 23.8mm diameter, Grip Shifts fit 22.2mm diameter bars only. Bar-ends are just about the only choice for Moustache bars. Jeff |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 20:29:21 -0500, foldedpath
wrote: Another option that doesn't get mentioned much is the "trekker" bar design: http://tinyurl.com/yq6eq That page is confusing because they show the bar upside-down (from the rider position). So the open ends are nearest to the toptube while the loops project forward? If I flip the image on the Nashbar site upside down, That's what I would see when riding? I've been using this for a few months now, as a way to get more grip positions on a MTB/Commuter bike. I like it better than bar ends. The side grip position has a hand position that's not much different than riding on brake hoods with drop bars, and you can stretch out on the far end of the bar for a semi-aero position. There is also plenty of forward bar area for mounting accessories like computers or a headlight. Are you using this specific model? I'm curious about mounting a handlebar bag. Any chance that you could measure the opening between the two loops- the fat area where the clamp attaches? I have a bag that uses a klickfix and is almost 11 inches/ 27cm wide. The big drawback is that you'll need a stem that clamps the bar MUCH further forward and higher than a stock flat or riser MTB handlebar. And while you have the tape measure out, how far back from the stem mounting area- the flat- are the two bars that will be facing towards the back? Thanks for any info you can give. After you solve that problem and get enough reach, it's easy to make small adjustments to raise or lower the main grip area, just by rotating the handlebar in the clamp. |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:16:49 -0500, foldedpath wrote:
What I'd like to get is this: http://www.petercrandall.net/biketrip/images/bars.jpg Unfortunately, I believe, they are no longer made anywhere commercially. That's a nice alternative. One problem with all these non-drop-bar alternatives (including the "trekker" bar I mentioned) is the location of the brake levers. With a traditional road drop bar, you can reach the brakes in a fast downhill descent. how's this for a solution: mount traditional road brake levers on those drop extensions and put a second set of cyclocross inline levers on the top flats! You should be able to find both sets for around fifty dollars. I hope you find those extensions, they're a great idea! |
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Badger_South wrote:
(...) What I'd like to get is this: http://www.petercrandall.net/biketrip/images/bars.jpg Unfortunately, I believe, they are no longer made anywhere commercially. -B But there is also the question of bar width. Drop bars will typically come in widths of 40 to 44 cm, which is what you need to steer your bike on a paved road. Flat bars on mountain bikes are much wider because you need more leverage to balance your bike on difficult ground. But this larger width has a price, which is a larger surface exposed to wind, hence poor aerodynamics. I have faced the same question Kevein asks. I have first added bar ends. Then I noticed that I was riding all the time on the bar ends, but wished that they would be closer to the center of the bar. So I squeezed brake levers and grips and moved them as close as I could to the stem. Finally I understood I needed drop bars, did the change, and am happy with them. Jacques |
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Dan Daniel wrote in
: On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 20:29:21 -0500, foldedpath wrote: Another option that doesn't get mentioned much is the "trekker" bar design: http://tinyurl.com/yq6eq That page is confusing because they show the bar upside-down (from the rider position). So the open ends are nearest to the toptube while the loops project forward? If I flip the image on the Nashbar site upside down, That's what I would see when riding? Right, the open end towards you. Here's what it looks like on my bike: http://www.nightviewer.com/mb/bike/kmonkey_1.jpg Eventually I'll saw the bars off closer to the shifters. I'm still making sure I like this hand spacing. And this was before I added the end caps. I used the Ritchie grips that were on the original flat bar, and I covered the rest of the bar with Specialized "Bar Phat" gel pads and wrap. Here's a photo of the rest of the bike; a Surley Karate Monkey with 29" (700c) wheels: http://www.nightviewer.com/mb/bike/kmonkey_2.jpg Are you using this specific model? Yes, the Nashbar trekker bar, $13.00... such a deal. I'm curious about mounting a handlebar bag. The one you see in the photo is a Jandd Mountain Handle Pack I: http://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FMBHP I use it on the front of the bar like a normal handlebar bag, instead of the graphic shown on that page. There may be other bags that would fit, this is just the first one I tried. It's big enough for spare tube, patch kit, mini-toolkit, banana, wallet, cellphone, and camera. I use Jannd folding grocery panniers on the rear rack for shopping trips. Any chance that you could measure the opening between the two loops- the fat area where the clamp attaches? I have a bag that uses a klickfix and is almost 11 inches/ 27cm wide. It's about 7" on the straight part of the forward bar, so I don't think that bag will fit, if you want it snug to the bar. And while you have the tape measure out, how far back from the stem mounting area- the flat- are the two bars that will be facing towards the back? Thanks for any info you can give. It's about 3 1/4" from the forward bar at the stem clamp to the rear bar/grips (measured center to center). You may not need that much actual stem extension though, since you'll probaby want to tilt the bars a little, which effectively brings the rear bar/grips closer to the stem clamp. And if you do tilt the bar, you'll need a higher stem angle (maybe even a headset extender). It's not easy finding a stem long enough to use with this trekker bar. The one I'm using is a Salsa 130 degree, 135mm stem, which could be a little longer for a perfect fit. I'm still fine-tuning this. It might be smarter to start with a cheap adjustable stem to figure out what extension/tilt you need, to make this work. There is another trekker bar out there made by ITM, which doesn't have the stem extension problem: http://www.wallbike.com/oddsnends/synergic.html?id=4420 It looks a bit complicated though, and a half pound heavier than the Nashbar trekker bar (if that matters to you). I'm not sure the adjustable angle feature would be useful. Maybe you'd get a sort of drop bar effect on the side bars by tilting them down (instead of up, as in the photos). But I'd be worried about my hands sliding off the brake levers on rough terrain, with the forward bars tilted down. Has anyone out there tried this version? -- Mike Barrs |
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Jacques Moser wrote:
Badger_South wrote: (...) What I'd like to get is this: http://www.petercrandall.net/biketrip/images/bars.jpg Unfortunately, I believe, they are no longer made anywhere commercially. -B But there is also the question of bar width. Drop bars will typically come in widths of 40 to 44 cm, which is what you need to steer your bike on a paved road. Flat bars on mountain bikes are much wider because you need more leverage to balance your bike on difficult ground. But this larger width has a price, which is a larger surface exposed to wind, hence poor aerodynamics. I have faced the same question Kevein asks. I have first added bar ends. Then I noticed that I was riding all the time on the bar ends, but wished that they would be closer to the center of the bar. So I squeezed brake levers and grips and moved them as close as I could to the stem. Finally I understood I needed drop bars, did the change, and am happy with them. Jacques I've been considering something similar to your idea about using bar ends. It would be kind of a pain, but how about removing (temporarily) the shifters, brakes and grips. Put the bar "ends" in towards the middle, and then replace the components you just removed. The result would be bars where a road biker could really use them. Boatman |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:36:03 +0200, Jacques Moser
wrote: Badger_South wrote: (...) What I'd like to get is this: http://www.petercrandall.net/biketrip/images/bars.jpg Unfortunately, I believe, they are no longer made anywhere commercially. -B But there is also the question of bar width. Drop bars will typically come in widths of 40 to 44 cm, which is what you need to steer your bike on a paved road. Flat bars on mountain bikes are much wider because you need more leverage to balance your bike on difficult ground. But this larger width has a price, which is a larger surface exposed to wind, hence poor aerodynamics. I have faced the same question Kevein asks. I have first added bar ends. Then I noticed that I was riding all the time on the bar ends, but wished that they would be closer to the center of the bar. So I squeezed brake levers and grips and moved them as close as I could to the stem. Finally I understood I needed drop bars, did the change, and am happy with them. Jacques Ah! OK, didn't exactly realize that width thing. So noted. Thanks! I'm gonna go measure my bars. ;-) -B |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:49:29 -0400, Sheldon Brown
wrote: (Kevein B.) wrote: I was thinking of replacing the straight bar on my Trek 720 with a drop bar. I am not sure what to do with the 3x7 grip shifters and brake levers. If I have to buy all these components, what cost will there be roughly? "Ken" wrote: Depends on what kind of shifters you want to buy. Those fancy STI systems are not cheap. $129.95 for Sora, really not that expensive when you consider it's both bake levers and shift levers, including all 4 cables, housing and the housing stops for the down tube. You'll likely want to replace the stem with one that's a bit taller and/or has less forward extension. http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/shifters.html#brifters I'm assuming that your bike has traditional center-pull cantilever brakes. If it has "direct-pull" cantilevers (cable comes in from the side) you'll need additional doodads to match the cable pull of the brake levers. Isn't there also a potential problem with the front derailleur indexing? -- Typoes are a feature, not a bug. Some gardening required to reply via email. Words processed in a facility that contains nuts. |
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