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June 4th 05, 07:31 AM
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Cleaning Glue off of Tire Sidewalls?
On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 06:07:44 GMT, Michael Press
wrote: [This was Jobst:] The papers appear to me to be academic in nature. [This was Mike: You disparage a paper that _you_ cited. I copy the initial portion of the posted message that you used to cite the paper that you disparage. [This was Jobst:] This is the same old story we've been hearing every year throughout the days when people still rode tubulars. It's only how much you believe the ad copy. [This was SS, who cited the paper:] I don't read ad copy, I don't buy cycling mags. Does anyone actually advertise tubular glues? I am basing my "story" on the testing shown at: http://www.engr.ku.edu/~ktl/bicycle/bicycle.html Dear Michael, I think that you're mistaken here. It was SS who wrote that he didn't read ad copy or buy cycling mags, but instead based his theories about glue on the paper, to which he then added a link. The link provided by SS was promptly disparaged by Jobst, who also included a long excerpt from one of the papers, prefaced by criticism. It's a long thread with long interspersed posts, so confusion is understandable. (And I hope that I'm right and not confused!) Carl Fogel 
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#43
June 4th 05, 09:27 AM
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Dans le message de
, What exactly have I mistaken? We agree about the train of events as far as you have recounted them. Perhaps you have not considered the message to which I replied, in which SSTW himself disparages a paper that he cited. . com in which SSTW disparages the paper as "academic", a paper that SSTW first cited in support of his thesis. It may not be a disparagement. Not all people disparage the academe. Some, however have a blunted sensibility to it. -- Bonne route, Sandy Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
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#44
June 4th 05, 02:12 PM
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Cleaning Glue off of Tire Sidewalls?
Roger Marquis wrote: Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: Some porus base tapes don't need a dry layer of glue applied to them beforehand. The Deda Olimpico (my favorite racing tire) is one of those. Just put a light layer on the rim, let it set for 20 to 40 minutes, and mount the tire. Insanity!! Really tho, one light layer onto the rim and none on the tire=tire roll. In ~32 years of riding tubulars daily (having switched to and from clinchers 3 times) I've yet to pre-glue a base tape. Only once in that time have I had a problem with adhesion and that was with a Clement Criterium Cotton which had a thick layer of slick latex over its base tape. The only reason pre-glueing base tape may be prudent, and then only with certain porus/unsealed base tapes, is so the solvent fumes from drying rim glue doesn't compromise the tire-to-base tape adhesion. It has nothing to do with tire-to-rim adhesion. If you are paranoid, and do pre-glue base tapes, be sure to use a _very_ thin layer. Too much glue is worse than too little. It's like solder in that you only need enough to fill the gap. -- Roger Marquis http://www.roble.net/marquis/ Not paranoid at all, just using a wee bit of common sense. A couple of light layers of glue onto the tire does no harm and is in keeping with common sense when gluing anything to anything else. Glue both surfaces. But do what you wish. As a wrench who also rides tubies, who has never had one of mine roll, I will continue the method I have used for 20 years.
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#45
June 4th 05, 07:49 PM
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On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 08:12:10 GMT, Michael Press
wrote: In article , wrote: On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 06:07:44 GMT, Michael Press wrote: [This was Jobst:] The papers appear to me to be academic in nature. [This was Mike: You disparage a paper that _you_ cited. I copy the initial portion of the posted message that you used to cite the paper that you disparage. [This was Jobst:] This is the same old story we've been hearing every year throughout the days when people still rode tubulars. It's only how much you believe the ad copy. [This was SS, who cited the paper:] I don't read ad copy, I don't buy cycling mags. Does anyone actually advertise tubular glues? I am basing my "story" on the testing shown at: http://www.engr.ku.edu/~ktl/bicycle/bicycle.html Dear Michael, I think that you're mistaken here. It was SS who wrote that he didn't read ad copy or buy cycling mags, but instead based his theories about glue on the paper, to which he then added a link. The link provided by SS was promptly disparaged by Jobst, who also included a long excerpt from one of the papers, prefaced by criticism. It's a long thread with long interspersed posts, so confusion is understandable. (And I hope that I'm right and not confused!) Carl Fogel What exactly have I mistaken? We agree about the train of events as far as you have recounted them. Perhaps you have not considered the message to which I replied, in which SSTW himself disparages a paper that he cited. [snip several pages of headers that provide three links] Dear Michael, Here's how I read the exchange: Jobst vaguely accused the glue papers of dishonest commercial motives, and SS replied that no, the papers seem to be purely academic. [Here's Jobst disparaging the glue papers, claiming that he sensed that they were "covering their liability"--Jobst has a paranoid habit of "sensing" dark motives:] Besides, the articles in the above web site should mainly convince readers that they do not want to partake in these arcane and time consuming rituals. I sense that they are trying to say something useful while covering their liability, the latter being the main thrust. [Here's SS pointing out that the papers are obviously academic and implying that they therefore have no motive for "covering their liability"--SS is not disaparaging the papers as being ivory-tower or impractical, just contradicting Jobst's foolish comment that they were the product of dishonest commercial motives.] The papers appear to me to be academic in nature. Again, I can see how the brief line could be misread, since "academic" is often a disparaging term, but in context Jobst is the one disparaging the glue papers as being the result of wicked commercial motives, while SS is saying that they look like honest academic research. Carl Fogel
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#46
June 9th 05, 01:32 PM
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Sandy wrote:
Dans le message de , a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré : Ain't *that* the truth. Like I said. aka "as I said". I take it English is a second language for you. 780 GRE verbal. No one says "as I said" in this context, especially not in a paragraph with the word "ain't". I think you know not of what you speak. You don't understand the difference between "like" and "as". Please stop trying to act as though you were exceptionally literate. Erm, there is a HUGE difference between something like "it's like I said" and "it's as I said". What bit confuses you? I couldn't make much sense of the rest of your overly construed post.
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#47
August 2nd 05, 07:59 AM
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On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:45:57 GMT, wrote:
someone sniped anonymously: 780 GRE verbal. No one says "as I said" in this context, especially not in a paragraph with the word "ain't". I think you know not of what you speak. You don't understand the difference between "like" and "as". No, you don't understand 'dialect'. Jasper
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#48
August 2nd 05, 07:59 AM
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On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 08:12:10 GMT, Michael Press wrote:
Perhaps you have not considered the message to which I replied, in which SSTW himself disparages a paper that he cited. [..] in which SSTW disparages the paper as "academic", a paper that SSTW first cited in support of his thesis. The fact that you think 'academic' is a disparagement says more about you than about anyone else. Jasper
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