randonneur

Ralph Barone writes:

Just so you know, my bike isn't stock. The cross
levers, dynamo hub, fenders and racks are add-ons
(but there were places to connect them to). I also
replaced the bar end shifters with STI levers.

Thanks, but it is too expensive to begin with. Well,
good work anyway!

--
underground experts exiled

Ralph Barone writes:

1056 mm for my 56 cm frame with 26" wheels, so
41.5". I wouldn't mind it being a bit longer, as my
heels will clip my rear panniers if they've slid
around on the rack a bit.

I'd like 28" wheels for sure (622, 630 or even 635),
I wonder what that'd do to the wheelbase?

I have 32-630 on my road bike and 56-559 on my
military standard bike. Which is infinitely more
comfortable to ride. Perhaps I should just find
a Shimano (?) internal 8SP rear wheel, put it on, and
forget about the Fuji?

--
underground experts exiled

jbeattie writes:

Shockingly, the vaunted Koga signature World
Traveler is made out of 6061 like my old Cannondale
T1000. That was a great touring bike, although it
wouldn't fit giant tires -- but I never wanted giant
tires. That article draws interesting distinctions
between true touring bikes and randonettes, which,
according to Tim, should be the proper designation.
Who knew that I needed a touring bike that could
carry 45-50 kgs -- just in case I hit a deer and
need to take it with me. I rode across the US with
less than 45 pounds

20 kg is still a lot, I aim for around 12 including
water and everything. Then again I never crossed the
US on a bike so I'm not messing with results. I still
want a steel frame tho

--
underground experts exiled

On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 11:40:18 AM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
jbeattie writes:

On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 4:49:10 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 5/25/2018 10:47 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
Ralph Barone writes:

Sounds like he wants my bike. Surly Long Haul
Trucker. Front and rear racks and fenders.
Dynamo hub and lights. Cross levers so you can brake
while upright. Long wheelbase so your shoes don't
clip your panniers. CroMo frame. 36 spoke wheels.
Mountain gearing for long hills while carrying 50
lbs of baggage. 3 water bottle mounts on the frame.

That's exactly right! I want Ralph's bike!

http://www.bisikletgezgini.com/archives/7688

Shockingly, the vaunted Koga signature World Traveler is made out of
6061 like my old Cannondale T1000. That was a great touring bike,
although it wouldn't fit giant tires -- but I never wanted giant
tires. That article draws interesting distinctions between true
touring bikes and randonettes, which, according to Tim, should be the

Randonneuse. "Randonette" sounds like something Harvey Weinstein would
think up, a heteronormative ****lord sort of word.

Wow. I was kind of thinking Phil Spector.

-- Jay Beattie.

On 5/26/2018 2:49 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 11:40:18 AM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
jbeattie writes:

On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 4:49:10 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 5/25/2018 10:47 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
Ralph Barone writes:

Sounds like he wants my bike. Surly Long Haul
Trucker. Front and rear racks and fenders.
Dynamo hub and lights. Cross levers so you can brake
while upright. Long wheelbase so your shoes don't
clip your panniers. CroMo frame. 36 spoke wheels.
Mountain gearing for long hills while carrying 50
lbs of baggage. 3 water bottle mounts on the frame.

That's exactly right! I want Ralph's bike!

http://www.bisikletgezgini.com/archives/7688

Shockingly, the vaunted Koga signature World Traveler is made out of
6061 like my old Cannondale T1000. That was a great touring bike,
although it wouldn't fit giant tires -- but I never wanted giant
tires. That article draws interesting distinctions between true
touring bikes and randonettes, which, according to Tim, should be the

Randonneuse. "Randonette" sounds like something Harvey Weinstein would
think up, a heteronormative ****lord sort of word.

Wow. I was kind of thinking Phil Spector.

-- Jay Beattie.


Why stop at randonette? randono-ko in Japan, randonini in
Italy and so on.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 3:13:25 PM UTC-4, Emanuel Berg wrote:
jbeattie writes:

Shockingly, the vaunted Koga signature World
Traveler is made out of 6061 like my old Cannondale
T1000. That was a great touring bike, although it
wouldn't fit giant tires -- but I never wanted giant
tires. That article draws interesting distinctions
between true touring bikes and randonettes, which,
according to Tim, should be the proper designation.
Who knew that I needed a touring bike that could
carry 45-50 kgs -- just in case I hit a deer and
need to take it with me. I rode across the US with
less than 45 pounds

20 kg is still a lot, I aim for around 12 including
water and everything. Then again I never crossed the
US on a bike so I'm not messing with results. I still
want a steel frame tho

I usually carried 30 - 35 pounds total when traveling alone. That included
tent, sleeping bag, maybe a camp stove and some food. I always thought I took
too much, but I was never able to get my load much under 30 pounds, unless
it was "credit card touring," staying entirely in motels.

Going coast to coast, I think I carried 40 pounds on my bike. But some of that
was stuff I carried for my ladies. It also included that backpacking stove
and food, which in retrospect was silly. They have restaurants.

- Frank Krygowski

On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 1:24:10 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 3:13:25 PM UTC-4, Emanuel Berg wrote:
jbeattie writes:

Shockingly, the vaunted Koga signature World
Traveler is made out of 6061 like my old Cannondale
T1000. That was a great touring bike, although it
wouldn't fit giant tires -- but I never wanted giant
tires. That article draws interesting distinctions
between true touring bikes and randonettes, which,
according to Tim, should be the proper designation.
Who knew that I needed a touring bike that could
carry 45-50 kgs -- just in case I hit a deer and
need to take it with me. I rode across the US with
less than 45 pounds

20 kg is still a lot, I aim for around 12 including
water and everything. Then again I never crossed the
US on a bike so I'm not messing with results. I still
want a steel frame tho

I usually carried 30 - 35 pounds total when traveling alone. That included
tent, sleeping bag, maybe a camp stove and some food. I always thought I took
too much, but I was never able to get my load much under 30 pounds, unless
it was "credit card touring," staying entirely in motels.

Going coast to coast, I think I carried 40 pounds on my bike. But some of that
was stuff I carried for my ladies. It also included that backpacking stove
and food, which in retrospect was silly. They have restaurants.

- Frank Krygowski

When I hit the heat on the other side of the Rockies (going east), I mailed half of my gear back home -- including my rain gear. You don't need it for the Mid-West, mid-day deluge. Nothing will prevent you from getting soaked, but then you dry out in about ten minutes. My stove went back, too. It was too hot to cook.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 2:02:09 PM UTC-5, Emanuel Berg wrote:
Ralph Barone writes:

Just so you know, my bike isn't stock. The cross
levers, dynamo hub, fenders and racks are add-ons
(but there were places to connect them to). I also
replaced the bar end shifters with STI levers.

Thanks, but it is too expensive to begin with. Well,
good work anyway!

--
underground experts exiled

Too expensive??? The cross brake levers Mr. Muzi linked to before retail for $19 at Amazon. If this is too expensive for you, then please tell us how you are able to afford a computer to participate in this forum? And pay the monthly internet charges of $20-50 per month? Unless of course you use the free computers at the local public library to do all of your internet use.

On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 4:39:50 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 1:24:10 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 3:13:25 PM UTC-4, Emanuel Berg wrote:
jbeattie writes:

Shockingly, the vaunted Koga signature World
Traveler is made out of 6061 like my old Cannondale
T1000. That was a great touring bike, although it
wouldn't fit giant tires -- but I never wanted giant
tires. That article draws interesting distinctions
between true touring bikes and randonettes, which,
according to Tim, should be the proper designation.
Who knew that I needed a touring bike that could
carry 45-50 kgs -- just in case I hit a deer and
need to take it with me. I rode across the US with
less than 45 pounds

20 kg is still a lot, I aim for around 12 including
water and everything. Then again I never crossed the
US on a bike so I'm not messing with results. I still
want a steel frame tho

I usually carried 30 - 35 pounds total when traveling alone. That included
tent, sleeping bag, maybe a camp stove and some food. I always thought I took
too much, but I was never able to get my load much under 30 pounds, unless
it was "credit card touring," staying entirely in motels.

Going coast to coast, I think I carried 40 pounds on my bike. But some of that
was stuff I carried for my ladies. It also included that backpacking stove
and food, which in retrospect was silly. They have restaurants.

- Frank Krygowski

When I hit the heat on the other side of the Rockies (going east), I mailed half of my gear back home -- including my rain gear. You don't need it for the Mid-West, mid-day deluge. Nothing will prevent you from getting soaked, but then you dry out in about ten minutes. My stove went back, too. It was too hot to cook.

-- Jay Beattie.

In all of my loaded touring I have never used a stove or cooked my own food.. Too simple for the past 25 years to just eat in restaurants or buy food already to eat. Gas stations, convenience stores, grocery stores all have food ready to eat. No need to cook raw food on a bicycle trip. At worst just carry a can opener and buy a can of chicken breast or tuna and a couple cans of pork and beans. Tasty meal. Add some bread and raw fruit and you have a feast.

On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 3:44:30 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 4:39:50 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 1:24:10 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 3:13:25 PM UTC-4, Emanuel Berg wrote:
jbeattie writes:

Shockingly, the vaunted Koga signature World
Traveler is made out of 6061 like my old Cannondale
T1000. That was a great touring bike, although it
wouldn't fit giant tires -- but I never wanted giant
tires. That article draws interesting distinctions
between true touring bikes and randonettes, which,
according to Tim, should be the proper designation.
Who knew that I needed a touring bike that could
carry 45-50 kgs -- just in case I hit a deer and
need to take it with me. I rode across the US with
less than 45 pounds

20 kg is still a lot, I aim for around 12 including
water and everything. Then again I never crossed the
US on a bike so I'm not messing with results. I still
want a steel frame tho

I usually carried 30 - 35 pounds total when traveling alone. That included
tent, sleeping bag, maybe a camp stove and some food. I always thought I took
too much, but I was never able to get my load much under 30 pounds, unless
it was "credit card touring," staying entirely in motels.

Going coast to coast, I think I carried 40 pounds on my bike. But some of that
was stuff I carried for my ladies. It also included that backpacking stove
and food, which in retrospect was silly. They have restaurants.

- Frank Krygowski

When I hit the heat on the other side of the Rockies (going east), I mailed half of my gear back home -- including my rain gear. You don't need it for the Mid-West, mid-day deluge. Nothing will prevent you from getting soaked, but then you dry out in about ten minutes. My stove went back, too. It was too hot to cook.

-- Jay Beattie.

In all of my loaded touring I have never used a stove or cooked my own food. Too simple for the past 25 years to just eat in restaurants or buy food already to eat. Gas stations, convenience stores, grocery stores all have food ready to eat. No need to cook raw food on a bicycle trip. At worst just carry a can opener and buy a can of chicken breast or tuna and a couple cans of pork and beans. Tasty meal. Add some bread and raw fruit and you have a feast.

You're missing out on ramen! Hot chocolate at night is nice, but its all optional. A lot of stuff is optional, even when you're camping. But then again, I have no idea what it is like to do the Amazon tour or the Tibetan plateau tour. I've ridden in some remote areas of the West, but not that remote. No need for a satellite phone or 50kg of gear. I take quinine, but only in gin and tonic.

-- Jay Beattie.