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Some bicycling is really expensive for parts
On 06/08/2018 1:25 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 1:02:24 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 5:24:37 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers You want ridiculous . . . sorry, Andrew, but really? http://www.bikeattack.com/bianchi-eroica-sale/ MSRP $4K on sale for only $3,700 -- for Dia-compe CP brakes and a knock-off three-spider crank of yore that I wouldn't have bought back in the "pre-1987" era, which is apparently the index point for "old." https://magazine.bikesoup.com/bianchi-leroica Snipped Right, price is high. At the bottom of that page there's a 2017 Bianchi Volpe that's less than 1/3 the price of that Eroica. Cheers Volpe wasn't a road bike and it was less expensive. |
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On 8/6/2018 12:25 PM, Duane wrote:
On 06/08/2018 1:02 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 5:24:37 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers You want ridiculous . . . sorry, Andrew, but really? http://www.bikeattack.com/bianchi-eroica-sale/ MSRP $4K on sale for only $3,700 -- for Dia-compe CP brakes and a knock-off three-spider crank of yore that I wouldn't have bought back in the "pre-1987" era, which is apparently the index point for "old." https://magazine.bikesoup.com/bianchi-leroica This frame looks like something from the '60s, however, and certainly pre-77-ish when most of the manufacturers started trending towards braze-on TT cable guides. The old style cable clips allow you to snag your wool shorts on little bolt-ends. Always a feature I liked. My son saw the brake cables and worried about strangulation hazard, but I told him that back in the days of yore, us hard men accepted that risk. I love the bike soup article: "it's not being geeky and pretentious about vintage mechanics or a manufacturing process of a time gone by, it's about getting into the spirit of a style of racing that is seemingly far-removed from what we have now. It's a handsome sort of riding where pastries were as important as the climbs and style was as abundant as the passion. Long live Eroica events, and bikes like the Bianchi L'Eroica, for keeping the spirit of those legends and their endurances alive. It may be a new bike, but the smile it creates is as old as the sport itself." Pffff. I about blew my coffee out. WTF? Racing has always been about hacking a lung -- it certainly wasn't about looking good and eating pastries because pastries were as important as the climbs, at least not when I started in the '70s. You wore a bunch of wooly stuff because that's what was on the market or what was sold as mandatory team gear. You rode Italiano frames with BBs that wanted to unscrew, friction shifting crap, nail-on cleats and then went out and beat yourself to death unless you were that genetic freak who made it look easy. I think the bikesoup people are smoking something. -- Jay Beattie. I don't know. I bought a Bianchi Volpe around that time for $800. In today's dollars, depending on how you calculate it, that's around $2000 today. The salmon-color first year Volpe is regarded an all time classic now. Great bike and innovative for its time. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 10:31:54 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/6/2018 12:02 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 5:24:37 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers You want ridiculous . . . sorry, Andrew, but really? http://www.bikeattack.com/bianchi-eroica-sale/ MSRP $4K on sale for only $3,700 -- for Dia-compe CP brakes and a knock-off three-spider crank of yore that I wouldn't have bought back in the "pre-1987" era, which is apparently the index point for "old." https://magazine.bikesoup.com/bianchi-leroica This frame looks like something from the '60s, however, and certainly pre-77-ish when most of the manufacturers started trending towards braze-on TT cable guides. The old style cable clips allow you to snag your wool shorts on little bolt-ends. Always a feature I liked. My son saw the brake cables and worried about strangulation hazard, but I told him that back in the days of yore, us hard men accepted that risk. I love the bike soup article: "it's not being geeky and pretentious about vintage mechanics or a manufacturing process of a time gone by, it's about getting into the spirit of a style of racing that is seemingly far-removed from what we have now. It's a handsome sort of riding where pastries were as important as the climbs and style was as abundant as the passion. Long live Eroica events, and bikes like the Bianchi L'Eroica, for keeping the spirit of those legends and their endurances alive. It may be a new bike, but the smile it creates is as old as the sport itself." Pffff. I about blew my coffee out. WTF? Racing has always been about hacking a lung -- it certainly wasn't about looking good and eating pastries because pastries were as important as the climbs, at least not when I started in the '70s. You wore a bunch of wooly stuff because that's what was on the market or what was sold as mandatory team gear. You rode Italiano frames with BBs that wanted to unscrew, friction shifting crap, nail-on cleats and then went out and beat yourself to death unless you were that genetic freak who made it look easy. I think the bikesoup people are smoking something. -- Jay Beattie. Nice looking to some riders but the ad copy is pathetic. Another option, BTW -- https://www.racycles.com/product/detail/10245 Same price but frame only. https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...gos-arabesque/ I probably would have put the lugs on Craigslist. I hate the master-shaped tubing. It's bizarre. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 8/6/2018 1:00 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 10:31:54 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 8/6/2018 12:02 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 5:24:37 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers You want ridiculous . . . sorry, Andrew, but really? http://www.bikeattack.com/bianchi-eroica-sale/ MSRP $4K on sale for only $3,700 -- for Dia-compe CP brakes and a knock-off three-spider crank of yore that I wouldn't have bought back in the "pre-1987" era, which is apparently the index point for "old." https://magazine.bikesoup.com/bianchi-leroica This frame looks like something from the '60s, however, and certainly pre-77-ish when most of the manufacturers started trending towards braze-on TT cable guides. The old style cable clips allow you to snag your wool shorts on little bolt-ends. Always a feature I liked. My son saw the brake cables and worried about strangulation hazard, but I told him that back in the days of yore, us hard men accepted that risk. I love the bike soup article: "it's not being geeky and pretentious about vintage mechanics or a manufacturing process of a time gone by, it's about getting into the spirit of a style of racing that is seemingly far-removed from what we have now. It's a handsome sort of riding where pastries were as important as the climbs and style was as abundant as the passion. Long live Eroica events, and bikes like the Bianchi L'Eroica, for keeping the spirit of those legends and their endurances alive. It may be a new bike, but the smile it creates is as old as the sport itself." Pffff. I about blew my coffee out. WTF? Racing has always been about hacking a lung -- it certainly wasn't about looking good and eating pastries because pastries were as important as the climbs, at least not when I started in the '70s. You wore a bunch of wooly stuff because that's what was on the market or what was sold as mandatory team gear. You rode Italiano frames with BBs that wanted to unscrew, friction shifting crap, nail-on cleats and then went out and beat yourself to death unless you were that genetic freak who made it look easy. I think the bikesoup people are smoking something. -- Jay Beattie. Nice looking to some riders but the ad copy is pathetic. Another option, BTW -- https://www.racycles.com/product/detail/10245 Same price but frame only. https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...gos-arabesque/ I probably would have put the lugs on Craigslist. I hate the master-shaped tubing. It's bizarre. You merely hate looking at it? Try finishing frame dents or setting graphics on that stuff bleccchhh. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 06/08/2018 1:34 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/6/2018 12:25 PM, Duane wrote: On 06/08/2018 1:02 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 5:24:37 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers You want ridiculous . . . sorry, Andrew, but really? http://www.bikeattack.com/bianchi-eroica-sale/Â* MSRP $4K on sale for only $3,700 --Â* for Dia-compe CP brakes and a knock-off three-spider crank of yore that I wouldn't have bought back in the "pre-1987" era, which is apparently the index point for "old." https://magazine.bikesoup.com/bianchi-leroica This frame looks like something from the '60s, however, and certainly pre-77-ish when most of the manufacturers started trending towards braze-on TT cable guides.Â* The old style cable clips allow you to snag your wool shorts on little bolt-ends. Always a feature I liked. My son saw the brake cables and worried about strangulation hazard, but I told him that back in the days of yore, us hard men accepted that risk. I love the bike soup article: "it's not being geeky and pretentious about vintage mechanics or a manufacturing process of a time gone by, it's about getting into the spirit of a style of racing that is seemingly far-removed from what we have now. It's a handsome sort of riding where pastries were as important as the climbs and style was as abundant as the passion. Long live Eroica events, and bikes like the Bianchi L'Eroica, for keeping the spirit of those legends and their endurances alive. It may be a new bike, but the smile it creates is as old as the sport itself." Pffff. I about blew my coffee out. WTF? Racing has always been about hacking a lung -- it certainly wasn't about looking good and eating pastries because pastries were as important as the climbs, at least not when I started in the '70s. You wore a bunch of wooly stuff because that's what was on the market or what was sold as mandatory team gear. You rode Italiano frames with BBs that wanted to unscrew, friction shifting crap, nail-on cleats and then went out and beat yourself to death unless you were that genetic freak who made it look easy.Â* I think the bikesoup people are smoking something. -- Jay Beattie. I don't know.Â* IÂ* bought a Bianchi Volpe around that time for $800.Â* In today's dollars, depending on how you calculate it, that's around $2000 today. The salmon-color first year Volpe is regarded an all time classic now. Great bike and innovative for its time. Mine was black with celeste trim. Pretty bike. Wasn't the first year. Late 80s early 90 maybe. Was "innovative" with bar end index shifters. Not as classic as the one you're talking about. |
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Joerg wrote:
On 2018-08-05 12:20, Roger Merriman wrote: Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-05 08:48, Roger Merriman wrote: Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-04 17:24, Sir Ridesalot wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Buy them elsewhere. Fat tires still have that "novelty mark-up". https://www.amazon.com/XL-Studded-12.../dp/B00M2LME1S However, I generally do not spend more than $20 for an MTB tire. IME you often do not get what you pay for with bike stuff. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. It's fashion surcharges. When I was in a bike shop in Placerville and saw a 50T cassette for the first time my jaw almost dropped when they told me it's "only" $299. No way. Wait a few years and live with 40T until they come down in price. When they do I might put one on the road bike as I get older. I’ve found for road bikes there isn’t a huge difference in tyres, at least 23-28mm road race. But that MTB or even Gravel bikes more expensive ones do matter, not so much rolling resistance but grip, ie better designed tread with better ie softer gripper compound, if you live somewhere dry probably doesn’t matter as much. In the winter it gets very wet and muddy here but I haven't seen much of a difference between low cost Asian MTB tires and Western "brand name" ones. Regarding reliability there is a difference. I found the side walls on Asian tires to be more sturdy and that is most important to me. They might be an ounce or two heavier but, oh well. I suspect Welsh wet and muddy is a scale up, bear in mind the hills swallow stuff, like planes etc. The Sudbury hill across from our house has also swallowed a plane, an Aircoupe with a couple in there, didn't survive :-( The posh tyres I use are trail/enduro so they have reinforced sidewalls, not as heavy as a DH tyre but not far off, come in just a touch under a 1KG and thus far have shrugged off rock strikes etc, they do come in a Trail park Version ie hard wearing compound, but I like grip so take the wear rate hit. The cheap tyres I’ve used haven’t been worth it as ever mileage varies. My experience is different but mine are 29". Maybe that market is different. It isn't so much the compound that gives grip but the knobbies. When those wear off fast or some tear out the grip on inclines will eventually get so bad that the tire needs to be replaced. "Brand name" tires usually lasted my 500mi, the Thai ones sometimes go up to 800mi. People use MTB for transportation and utility rides in this area so cost per mile matters a bit. If the surfaces are dry and or just soft ie either hard pack gravel roads/ tracks or even just mud, then mechanical grip is all you need, if though your going to,encounter wet off camber roots/rocks plus mud etc, then a hard compound is lethal, as it can’t stick to the rock/root etc, just skates off. Roger Merriman |
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On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 12:15:08 -0400, Duane
wrote: On 04/08/2018 11:47 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 17:24:35 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers I suspect that is very much a matter of "you want it, we got it". the extra cost of making a 12 speed cassette would be the cost of making two more cassette cogs, assuming a road bike type cassette. Many cogs appear to be stamped out so once the tooling is paid for it would be a matter of Stamp, Stamp. Plus, of course the cost of the steel plate used. I'm fairly sure that this is true of most bicycle parts and components. -- Cheers, John B. 2 more than what? 11 speed is pretty standard these days. Anyway, you can find 12 speed cassettes for a lot less than the one SRA listed. I don't think it's the extra cog that makes it that expensive. Well, yes, the hub is slightly longer to allow for the two extra cogs and their spacer, but this and the added material in the two added cogs (or one if you wish) are almost immaterial when it comes to automated manufacturing the difference in cost of, oh say, a ton of sheet steel to punch cogs from and 1 ton and 2 ounces is how much, do you reckon? The software and hardware is no different, with the difference of a few lines of code. Direct personnel costs are nearly invisible - pick up 11 cogs? Pick up 12 cogs? Frankly I can't see any manufacturing costs that would vary appreciable so what is the justification for the jump in price? A bigger cardboard box to pack the cassette in? Or just maybe the Sales Department is aware that there is a whole population out there who will spend big sums of money to have the latest "NEW" cassette. -- Cheers, John B. |
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John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 12:15:08 -0400, Duane wrote: On 04/08/2018 11:47 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 17:24:35 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers I suspect that is very much a matter of "you want it, we got it". the extra cost of making a 12 speed cassette would be the cost of making two more cassette cogs, assuming a road bike type cassette. Many cogs appear to be stamped out so once the tooling is paid for it would be a matter of Stamp, Stamp. Plus, of course the cost of the steel plate used. I'm fairly sure that this is true of most bicycle parts and components. -- Cheers, John B. 2 more than what? 11 speed is pretty standard these days. Anyway, you can find 12 speed cassettes for a lot less than the one SRA listed. I don't think it's the extra cog that makes it that expensive. Well, yes, the hub is slightly longer to allow for the two extra cogs and their spacer, but this and the added material in the two added cogs (or one if you wish) are almost immaterial when it comes to automated manufacturing the difference in cost of, oh say, a ton of sheet steel to punch cogs from and 1 ton and 2 ounces is how much, do you reckon? The software and hardware is no different, with the difference of a few lines of code. Direct personnel costs are nearly invisible - pick up 11 cogs? Pick up 12 cogs? Frankly I can't see any manufacturing costs that would vary appreciable so what is the justification for the jump in price? A bigger cardboard box to pack the cassette in? Or just maybe the Sales Department is aware that there is a whole population out there who will spend big sums of money to have the latest "NEW" cassette. -- Cheers, John B. You’re missing the point though. I provided a link for a similar 12 speed cassette at less than half the price. -- duane |
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On 05/08/18 10:24, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers Frankly, too many ******s are bicycling now and the big money is in selling to them and not the regular bicyclist, if they still exist in number.Bicycles are now like everything else produced, they make and sell batches that are each different. so the martket is in selling bikes and not keeping stock of parts. Just look at buid your own computer |
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On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 23:32:46 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote:
John B. Slocomb wrote: On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 12:15:08 -0400, Duane wrote: On 04/08/2018 11:47 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 17:24:35 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot wrote: I was looking at the Mountain Equipment Co-Op site for tires and a cassette for a 700C hybrid that I'm tuning up for a friend. Whilst on the site I saw 26" tire for $240.00 CDN. Vee Tire Co Snowshoe XL Studded 26" Tire https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-2...ded-26%22-Tire Btw the tire is made in Thailand. Then I saw a 12 speed cassette 10 -50 teeth for $611.00 CDN! https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5053-7...Speed-Cassette What gives with these prices? Car tires are not nearly that expensive and I bet motorcycle tires cost less too. Baffled by these prices. Cheers I suspect that is very much a matter of "you want it, we got it". the extra cost of making a 12 speed cassette would be the cost of making two more cassette cogs, assuming a road bike type cassette. Many cogs appear to be stamped out so once the tooling is paid for it would be a matter of Stamp, Stamp. Plus, of course the cost of the steel plate used. I'm fairly sure that this is true of most bicycle parts and components. -- Cheers, John B. 2 more than what? 11 speed is pretty standard these days. Anyway, you can find 12 speed cassettes for a lot less than the one SRA listed. I don't think it's the extra cog that makes it that expensive. Well, yes, the hub is slightly longer to allow for the two extra cogs and their spacer, but this and the added material in the two added cogs (or one if you wish) are almost immaterial when it comes to automated manufacturing the difference in cost of, oh say, a ton of sheet steel to punch cogs from and 1 ton and 2 ounces is how much, do you reckon? The software and hardware is no different, with the difference of a few lines of code. Direct personnel costs are nearly invisible - pick up 11 cogs? Pick up 12 cogs? Frankly I can't see any manufacturing costs that would vary appreciable so what is the justification for the jump in price? A bigger cardboard box to pack the cassette in? Or just maybe the Sales Department is aware that there is a whole population out there who will spend big sums of money to have the latest "NEW" cassette. -- Cheers, John B. You’re missing the point though. I provided a link for a similar 12 speed cassette at less than half the price. The woods are full of sites offering 12 speed cassettes at substantially lower prices than the O.P. quoted. I see one 11-50, 12 speed, for 56.22 Euros and I had assumed that he was discussing a specific cassette not 12 speeds in general. Thus my answer. -- Cheers, John B. |
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