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Buying a MTB helmet from the US
Hi all, I'm interested in buying a full face helmet. Thing is they are very
expensive here. I can get the equivalent 661 full face helmet from the US for about half the price for the exact same unit locally here. If I did however get one in from the US, I would end up getting a much much higher model with higher ratings (dot for example, but these are not Australian approvals) as the price would be the same as a lower spec model sold here. The problem is, if I get one from the US, it wont be Australian approved. My question is, since the helmets are identical apart from the Australian approval, whats generally frowned apon when doing this?? Would I not be allowed to race for example? If all I ever do is personal/fun riding out in the bush, what is the problem using a non Aus approved helmet? Thanks for any info. Cheers Dre |
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Dre wrote:
The problem is, if I get one from the US, it wont be Australian approved. My question is, since the helmets are identical apart from the Australian approval, whats generally frowned apon when doing this?? Legalities. Assuming we're talking about the same hats here of course. Would I not be allowed to race for example? If they knew about it, likely not. As the organisers are held together with insurance to cover you for the event, they likely won't (insure you) in the event of injury, if they found out it wasn't Australian approved. Insurance companies eat this small technical stuff up for breakfast. That said, knowing this, the event organisers won't let you through the front door without that silver sticker with the numbers on it. And knowing the insurance won't cover it, the organisers will have to - except they simply can't afford to. So you don't race. If all I ever do is personal/fun riding out in the bush, what is the problem using a non Aus approved helmet? Legalities again, I'll cover all the bases here. On public marked roads, the road rules say you need to wear an australian approved helmet. That said, in some areas, the wearing of one is not policed, but that's another issue. Injury coverage changes depends on who did what and how you're covered. The wearing (or not) of an approved helmet will play a part on who pays depending on (insurance) coverage. On private land, anything goes, you wan wear a salad bowl if you want, you are your own boss and can do anything you like. Since the only one responsible for you, is you, you pay up regardless of type of hat (or lack thereof). As far as I'm aware, something like the blue mountain fire trails, since they're not "public roads" you're on your own again, so again, since you're the only one responsible, it would be in your best interest to wear an effective hat. -- Linux Registered User # 302622 http://counter.li.org |
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On 2007-10-18, John Tserkezis (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea: Dre wrote: The problem is, if I get one from the US, it wont be Australian approved. My question is, since the helmets are identical apart from the Australian approval, whats generally frowned apon when doing this?? .... As far as I'm aware, something like the blue mountain fire trails, since they're not "public roads" you're on your own again, so again, since you're the only one responsible, it would be in your best interest to wear an effective hat. And if you are able to get a higher specced helmet, cheaper, from the US, then trust your head to the cheaper more effective US model helmet. Stupid laws; stupid protectionalist trade policies. QED. -- TimC That's not a tau-neutrino in my pocket; I've got a hadron. |
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"John Tserkezis" wrote in message
... Dre wrote: The problem is, if I get one from the US, it wont be Australian approved. My question is, since the helmets are identical apart from the Australian approval, whats generally frowned apon when doing this?? Legalities. Assuming we're talking about the same hats here of course. Would I not be allowed to race for example? If they knew about it, likely not. As the organisers are held together with insurance to cover you for the event, they likely won't (insure you) in the event of injury, if they found out it wasn't Australian approved. Insurance companies eat this small technical stuff up for breakfast. That said, knowing this, the event organisers won't let you through the front door without that silver sticker with the numbers on it. And knowing the insurance won't cover it, the organisers will have to - except they simply can't afford to. So you don't race. If all I ever do is personal/fun riding out in the bush, what is the problem using a non Aus approved helmet? Legalities again, I'll cover all the bases here. On public marked roads, the road rules say you need to wear an australian approved helmet. That said, in some areas, the wearing of one is not policed, but that's another issue. Injury coverage changes depends on who did what and how you're covered. The wearing (or not) of an approved helmet will play a part on who pays depending on (insurance) coverage. On private land, anything goes, you wan wear a salad bowl if you want, you are your own boss and can do anything you like. Since the only one responsible for you, is you, you pay up regardless of type of hat (or lack thereof). As far as I'm aware, something like the blue mountain fire trails, since they're not "public roads" you're on your own again, so again, since you're the only one responsible, it would be in your best interest to wear an effective hat. -- Linux Registered User # 302622 http://counter.li.org Thanks very much for a very detailed response! Yes the helmets are exactly the same in the US as they are here, same name, model number, everything, apart from the Australian approval. Since I would only wear this helmet off road on specific mtb trails (not even fire trials) in the bush I have a bit of trouble paying more than double for the same thing from the US... For normal riding I use my normal type helmet and it is Aus approved. The full face I'm looking to buy is only for when I decide to go for the big stuff, big jumps, big drops etc... hmmmmm, decisions decisions! Cheers Dre |
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In aus.bicycle on Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:31:24 +1100
Dre wrote: Yes the helmets are exactly the same in the US as they are here, same name, model number, everything, apart from the Australian approval. dunno about pushbike helmets but that is not always the case with motorcycle helmets. There is at least one model of motorcycle helmet that is the same name and model number but the Oz one is different as the US version *failed* the Oz test. Zebee |
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Dre wrote:
"John Tserkezis" wrote in message ... Dre wrote: The problem is, if I get one from the US, it wont be Australian approved. My question is, since the helmets are identical apart from the Australian approval, whats generally frowned apon when doing this?? Legalities. Assuming we're talking about the same hats here of course. Would I not be allowed to race for example? If they knew about it, likely not. As the organisers are held together with insurance to cover you for the event, they likely won't (insure you) in the event of injury, if they found out it wasn't Australian approved. Insurance companies eat this small technical stuff up for breakfast. That said, knowing this, the event organisers won't let you through the front door without that silver sticker with the numbers on it. And knowing the insurance won't cover it, the organisers will have to - except they simply can't afford to. So you don't race. If all I ever do is personal/fun riding out in the bush, what is the problem using a non Aus approved helmet? Legalities again, I'll cover all the bases here. On public marked roads, the road rules say you need to wear an australian approved helmet. That said, in some areas, the wearing of one is not policed, but that's another issue. Injury coverage changes depends on who did what and how you're covered. The wearing (or not) of an approved helmet will play a part on who pays depending on (insurance) coverage. On private land, anything goes, you wan wear a salad bowl if you want, you are your own boss and can do anything you like. Since the only one responsible for you, is you, you pay up regardless of type of hat (or lack thereof). As far as I'm aware, something like the blue mountain fire trails, since they're not "public roads" you're on your own again, so again, since you're the only one responsible, it would be in your best interest to wear an effective hat. -- Linux Registered User # 302622 http://counter.li.org Thanks very much for a very detailed response! Yes the helmets are exactly the same in the US as they are here, same name, model number, everything, apart from the Australian approval. Since I would only wear this helmet off road on specific mtb trails (not even fire trials) in the bush I have a bit of trouble paying more than double for the same thing from the US... For normal riding I use my normal type helmet and it is Aus approved. The full face I'm looking to buy is only for when I decide to go for the big stuff, big jumps, big drops etc... hmmmmm, decisions decisions! Cheers Dre Have you checked out the postage costs from the US...it can be on the outrageous side. Halcyon |
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TimC wrote:
On 2007-10-18, John Tserkezis (aka Bruce) was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea: Dre wrote: The problem is, if I get one from the US, it wont be Australian approved. My question is, since the helmets are identical apart from the Australian approval, whats generally frowned apon when doing this?? ... As far as I'm aware, something like the blue mountain fire trails, since they're not "public roads" you're on your own again, so again, since you're the only one responsible, it would be in your best interest to wear an effective hat. And if you are able to get a higher specced helmet, cheaper, from the US, then trust your head to the cheaper more effective US model helmet. Stupid laws; stupid protectionalist trade policies. QED. What rules would you propose Tim? |
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"TimC" wrote in message
... On 2007-10-18, John Tserkezis (aka Bruce) was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea: Dre wrote: The problem is, if I get one from the US, it wont be Australian approved. My question is, since the helmets are identical apart from the Australian approval, whats generally frowned apon when doing this?? ... As far as I'm aware, something like the blue mountain fire trails, since they're not "public roads" you're on your own again, so again, since you're the only one responsible, it would be in your best interest to wear an effective hat. And if you are able to get a higher specced helmet, cheaper, from the US, then trust your head to the cheaper more effective US model helmet. Stupid laws; stupid protectionalist trade policies. QED. -- TimC That's not a tau-neutrino in my pocket; I've got a hadron. Thats *exactly* what I am thinking. For the same money I can get a much better helmet from the states than one down here. The equivalent helmet locally probably cost close to 3 million dollars here (maybe a *slight* exaggeration, LOL) Cheers Dre |
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"Zebee Johnstone" wrote in message
... In aus.bicycle on Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:31:24 +1100 Dre wrote: Yes the helmets are exactly the same in the US as they are here, same name, model number, everything, apart from the Australian approval. dunno about pushbike helmets but that is not always the case with motorcycle helmets. There is at least one model of motorcycle helmet that is the same name and model number but the Oz one is different as the US version *failed* the Oz test. Zebee Noted, thanks for that. For the record I am talking about the 661 brand and range of helmets. Cheers Dre |
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"Halcyon" wrote in message
... Dre wrote: "John Tserkezis" wrote in message ... Dre wrote: The problem is, if I get one from the US, it wont be Australian approved. My question is, since the helmets are identical apart from the Australian approval, whats generally frowned apon when doing this?? Legalities. Assuming we're talking about the same hats here of course. Would I not be allowed to race for example? If they knew about it, likely not. As the organisers are held together with insurance to cover you for the event, they likely won't (insure you) in the event of injury, if they found out it wasn't Australian approved. Insurance companies eat this small technical stuff up for breakfast. That said, knowing this, the event organisers won't let you through the front door without that silver sticker with the numbers on it. And knowing the insurance won't cover it, the organisers will have to - except they simply can't afford to. So you don't race. If all I ever do is personal/fun riding out in the bush, what is the problem using a non Aus approved helmet? Legalities again, I'll cover all the bases here. On public marked roads, the road rules say you need to wear an australian approved helmet. That said, in some areas, the wearing of one is not policed, but that's another issue. Injury coverage changes depends on who did what and how you're covered. The wearing (or not) of an approved helmet will play a part on who pays depending on (insurance) coverage. On private land, anything goes, you wan wear a salad bowl if you want, you are your own boss and can do anything you like. Since the only one responsible for you, is you, you pay up regardless of type of hat (or lack thereof). As far as I'm aware, something like the blue mountain fire trails, since they're not "public roads" you're on your own again, so again, since you're the only one responsible, it would be in your best interest to wear an effective hat. -- Linux Registered User # 302622 http://counter.li.org Thanks very much for a very detailed response! Yes the helmets are exactly the same in the US as they are here, same name, model number, everything, apart from the Australian approval. Since I would only wear this helmet off road on specific mtb trails (not even fire trials) in the bush I have a bit of trouble paying more than double for the same thing from the US... For normal riding I use my normal type helmet and it is Aus approved. The full face I'm looking to buy is only for when I decide to go for the big stuff, big jumps, big drops etc... hmmmmm, decisions decisions! Cheers Dre Have you checked out the postage costs from the US...it can be on the outrageous side. Halcyon Yep, all up including postage (postage of $55aus inc handling) it still works out *just* over half price, awesome savings when you are talking about a $500 helmet! Cheers Dre |
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