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On Dec 18, 4:30*pm, Peter Cole wrote:
wrote:
Whatever, showing respect for law and other road users would seem
appropriate since these are what the CM'ers claim to be
"demonstrating" for.

They don't claim to be demonstrating for anything, just celebrating the
bicycle.

They claim to be celebrating. They claim there's "no organization",
"no leadership", too.

Celebrants are co-opted in the name of confrontation. I'm not even
going to call that "opinion". --D-y

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:17:58 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote:


Well, Critical Mass is a form of civil disobedience.

Is it? There is nothing illegal about Critical Mass in Australia.
Perfectly and 100% legal.

On Dec 18, 5:41*pm, A Muzi wrote:
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Andre Jute wrote:
*Who the **** are these cops to
decide anyone "won't respond to anything short of a beating"? That's
for the courts to decide. The purpose of the police is to bring the
person before the courts and charge him with a specific crime. What
did they charge Rodney King with? What was he convicted of?

easy:http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/proj...ngarrests.html

Should have taken The Big Fall for the robbery with a deadly weapon,
and society would have been better off.
--D-y

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Andre Jute wrote:
Who the **** are these cops to
decide anyone "won't respond to anything short of a beating"? That's
for the courts to decide. The purpose of the police is to bring the
person before the courts and charge him with a specific crime. What
did they charge Rodney King with? What was he convicted of?

A Muzi wrote:
easy:http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/proj...ngarrests.html

wrote:
Should have taken The Big Fall for the robbery with a deadly weapon,
and society would have been better off.


But the social services types wouldn't have enough work if violent
felons were imprisoned. You mistake the interest of society for the
various interests within our society.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:03:06 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

Blocking traffic is breaking the law.

Bikes are traffic. What are you talking about?

slide wrote:
Peter Cole wrote:
slide wrote:

In the real world it just isn't nearly as simple. In fact, even
normally peaceful citizens will, at times, become violent for no
apparent stimulus. Folks just reach a breaking point and then a
nothing much event will put them over the edge into the abyss of
violence. So you have two men who have a knife fight when both wish
the same parking space. You wonder why a parking space is so
important that one must die when in fact, the parking spot isn't the
fulcrum of the dispute.

You've got to stop reading tabloids & get out more.

You've got to stop believing every left wing mouth out there and get
with the real world.

What kind of "real world" do you live in where there are knife fights
for parking spots?

On Dec 18, 9:07*pm, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Dec 18, 12:13*pm, wrote:



*Tim McNamara wrote:
Here's an item from NY:

*http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/12/16-3

You may have seen this elsewhere.
Police over-reactions cannot be condoned, but what do you say
about Critical Mass? *IMHO, it does bike riders at large more harm
than good.
Your comments remind me of stuff we hear sometimes when cyclists
are hit by drivers: "Well, it's too bad that person got hit. But so
many cyclists run red lights. I'm not blaming that specific
cyclist, but really cyclists ought to behave better..."
Well, Critical Mass is a form of civil disobedience. *Generally
speaking, however, it's most effective when the purpose of the civil
disobedience is clearly promulgated so that onlookers get the point.
For many bystanders, Critical Mass is just a form of hooliganism and
does not communicate the desired message. *As a result of this,
Critical Mass is basically an incompetent form of civil disobedience
and probably is not providing a net benefit for cyclists.

Well, you may not have witnessed it but if you look carefully you'll
see that it is a ride with all sorts of bicyclists, men and women,
racers, commuters, shopping types and others in great quantity, making
the point that everyman is a bicyclist and part of the urban scene.
It has done that in SF and achieved progress in bicycle lanes and
paths that get around auto usurped zones, as well as police awareness.
The repercussions are felt in the entire SF Bay Area. *Various cities
have signs saying that this is a bicycle friendly community.

Throw shoes!

Sabotage! *-- Jay Beattie.

No such thing as sabotage. The very word is a conspiracy by lawyers
who've had too many martinis at lunch to get their tongues round the
words "constructive deconstructionism". -- Andre "I can talk pink when
I have" Jute

wrote:
On Dec 18, 4:30 pm, Peter Cole wrote:
wrote:
Whatever, showing respect for law and other road users would seem
appropriate since these are what the CM'ers claim to be
"demonstrating" for.
They don't claim to be demonstrating for anything, just celebrating the
bicycle.

They claim to be celebrating. They claim there's "no organization",
"no leadership", too.

Apparently accurately.


Celebrants are co-opted in the name of confrontation. I'm not even
going to call that "opinion". --D-y

If some people are inclined to be confrontational I guess that's their
business. If there is no organization, then it is impossible to assign
motive.

A Muzi wrote:
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Andre Jute wrote:
Who the **** are these cops to
decide anyone "won't respond to anything short of a beating"? That's
for the courts to decide. The purpose of the police is to bring the
person before the courts and charge him with a specific crime. What
did they charge Rodney King with? What was he convicted of?

A Muzi wrote:
easy:http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/proj...ngarrests.html


wrote:
Should have taken The Big Fall for the robbery with a deadly weapon,
and society would have been better off.


But the social services types wouldn't have enough work if violent
felons were imprisoned. You mistake the interest of society for the
various interests within our society.

As if prison wasn't a major US industry. We're #1 there at least.

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:36:20 -0800, "Bill Sornson"
wrote:

Peter Cole wrote:
wrote:

Whatever, showing respect for law and other road users would seem
appropriate since these are what the CM'ers claim to be
"demonstrating" for.
They don't claim to be demonstrating for anything, just celebrating
the bicycle.
CM celebrates the bicycle like the KKK celebrates diversity.

This makes zero sense.

I thought it was just me.