|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#11
|
|||
|
|||
I NEED INCREDIBLY STRONG RIMS! I hear mixed reviews and don'tknow what to think; your help?
wizardB wrote:
The EX325 on a Hugi hub Built with gage spokes and brass nipples is about as Bomb proof as you can make a wheel.IMHO What are "gage" spokes? |
Ads |
#12
|
|||
|
|||
I NEED INCREDIBLY STRONG RIMS! I hear mixed reviews and don't know what to think; your help?
pete fagerlin Wrote: wizardB wrote: The EX325 on a Hugi hub Built with gage spokes and brass nipples is about as Bomb proof as you can make a wheel.IMHO What are "gage" spokes? He's probably talking about gauge, which is the spoke's thickness. Quote from 'Sheldon Brown' (http://sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html#spokes) "-U.S./British 13 gauge is 2.3 mm U.S./British 14 gauge is 2.0 mm U.S./British 15 gauge is 1.8 mm U.S./British 16 gauge is 1.6 mm- Straight gauge have the same thickness all over, gauge 14, while butted spokes are thinner in the middle. ) Straight gauge is cheapest, makes stiff wheels and are easy to build. Butted spokes makes for more durable wheels and can be trickier to build. What kind of gauge he's talking about remains to be seen... -- dabac |
#13
|
|||
|
|||
I NEED INCREDIBLY STRONG RIMS! I hear mixed reviews and don'tknow what to think; your help?
dabac wrote:
pete fagerlin Wrote: wizardB wrote: The EX325 on a Hugi hub Built with gage spokes and brass nipples is about as Bomb proof as you can make a wheel.IMHO What are "gage" spokes? He's probably talking about gauge, which is the spoke's thickness. Quote from 'Sheldon Brown' (http://sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html#spokes) "-U.S./British 13 gauge is 2.3 mm U.S./British 14 gauge is 2.0 mm U.S./British 15 gauge is 1.8 mm U.S./British 16 gauge is 1.6 mm- Straight gauge have the same thickness all over, gauge 14, while butted spokes are thinner in the middle. ) Straight gauge is cheapest, makes stiff wheels and are easy to build. Butted spokes makes for more durable wheels and can be trickier to build. What kind of gauge he's talking about remains to be seen... I was talking about 14 gauge 2.0mm it's pretty much the standard wheel build here on the North Shore and the wheel take the rocks , root and air just fine. |
#14
|
|||
|
|||
I NEED INCREDIBLY STRONG RIMS! I hear mixed reviews and don'tknow what to think; your help?
wizardB wrote:
I was talking about 14 gauge 2.0mm it's pretty much the standard wheel build here on the North Shore and the wheel take the rocks , root and air just fine. If you're looking for a "bombproof" wheel then a straight gauge spoke (with a traditional "j" bend") is not the best choice, nor "as bomb proof as you can make a wheel. |
#15
|
|||
|
|||
I NEED INCREDIBLY STRONG RIMS! I hear mixed reviews and don't know what to think; your help?
pete fagerlin wrote:
wizardB wrote: I was talking about 14 gauge 2.0mm it's pretty much the standard wheel build here on the North Shore and the wheel take the rocks , root and air just fine. If you're looking for a "bombproof" wheel then a straight gauge spoke (with a traditional "j" bend") is not the best choice, nor "as bomb proof as you can make a wheel. I'll pile on and agree with Pete... the butted spokes are actually stronger in all the ways that matter. Straight gauge spokes concentrate the stress at the elbow and base of the threads, where on a butted spoke, it tends to be distributed along the thinner section as well. They'll also be a bit easier on your rims. The fact they're lighter and more aero is just icing on the cake. Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $795 ti frame |
#16
|
|||
|
|||
I NEED INCREDIBLY STRONG RIMS! I hear mixed reviews and don'tknow what to think; your help?
Mark Hickey wrote:
I'll pile on and agree with Pete... the butted spokes are actually stronger in all the ways that matter. Straight gauge spokes concentrate the stress at the elbow and base of the threads, where on a butted spoke, it tends to be distributed along the thinner section as well. They'll also be a bit easier on your rims. The fact they're lighter and more aero is just icing on the cake. Or get a wheel that uses straight gauge spokes from Industry Nine that address all of the shortcomings of "traditional" straight gauge spokes (as described above). |
#17
|
|||
|
|||
I NEED INCREDIBLY STRONG RIMS! I hear mixed reviews and don't know what to think; your help?
pete fagerlin Wrote: Mark Hickey wrote: I'll pile on and agree with Pete... the butted spokes are actually stronger in all the ways that matter. Straight gauge spokes concentrate the stress at the elbow and base of the threads, where on a butted spoke, it tends to be distributed along the thinner section as well. They'll also be a bit easier on your rims. The fact they're lighter and more aero is just icing on the cake. Or get a wheel that uses straight gauge spokes from Industry Nine that address all of the shortcomings of "traditional" straight gauge spokes (as described above). As long as we don't HOW his rims have broken in the past there really isn't much point in discussing the various pros and cons of different spokes. There isn't a spoke in the world that'll protect a wheel from death due to direct impact. OTOH if they've been cracking around the nipples, then it's another question and maybe going to butted spokes would help him. -- dabac |
#18
|
|||
|
|||
I NEED INCREDIBLY STRONG RIMS! I hear mixed reviews and don't know what to think; your help?
dabac wrote:
pete fagerlin Wrote: Mark Hickey wrote: I'll pile on and agree with Pete... the butted spokes are actually stronger in all the ways that matter. Straight gauge spokes concentrate the stress at the elbow and base of the threads, where on a butted spoke, it tends to be distributed along the thinner section as well. They'll also be a bit easier on your rims. The fact they're lighter and more aero is just icing on the cake. Or get a wheel that uses straight gauge spokes from Industry Nine that address all of the shortcomings of "traditional" straight gauge spokes (as described above). As long as we don't HOW his rims have broken in the past there really isn't much point in discussing the various pros and cons of different spokes. There isn't a spoke in the world that'll protect a wheel from death due to direct impact. OTOH if they've been cracking around the nipples, then it's another question and maybe going to butted spokes would help him. Yep - you're right... I didn't really make clear that a spoke is pretty much irrelevant once the rim is deflected to the point there's no longer any tension on it, so the spoke's not going to prevent flat-spotting the rim. There might be very slight localized differences in the way a particular portion of the rim responds to an impact due to adjacent spoke loading, but I think it's fair to say that it's not gonna make a whole lot of difference in the real world. The effect I was (vaguely) discussing was the cracking of rims around the spoke holes (which is less likely on a wheel built with butted spokes). Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $795 ti frame |
#19
|
|||
|
|||
I NEED INCREDIBLY STRONG RIMS! I hear mixed reviews and don't know what to think; your help?
I already use butted spokes, so what's the take on a set of Hope Hugi
hubs? |
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
??? about incredibly loud breaks | [email protected] | General | 15 | October 10th 04 01:57 PM |
??? about incredibly loud breaks | [email protected] | Rides | 33 | October 10th 04 01:57 PM |
??? about incredibly loud breaks | [email protected] | Social Issues | 11 | October 10th 04 01:57 PM |
Incredibly useful | dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers | UK | 13 | February 1st 04 11:27 AM |
A mixed mode mixed bag | Just zis Guy, you know? | UK | 10 | October 2nd 03 04:33 PM |