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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:37:14 -0400, Curtis L. Russell
wrote: On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:25:10 GMT, Jack Dingler wrote: Interesting. Because that is exactly what several IBM Selectric experts are saying. Do a google on this and you can find the follow-up articles that lead to the apparently non-potical nerds that have tried - and failed and then explained why it is probably a forgery. And this is using the IBM Selectrics that they believe are best able to produce the memo. Hey, In 1974 I was going to buy a Selectric because I was the only engineer who knew how to type and had to type test procedures for the techs to test circuit boards for which I was the test engineer. It was high tech at the time but it didn't last past about 1985 when printers (dot matrix) became to some on the scene. The only reason I knew how to type is that I took typing class in high school, the only boy in a class full of girls, I am not stupid, I got lots of study dates, and more. I also took home economics, same result, got **** from my guy pals, but lots of girlfriends. Planning, even in High School, pays off, sometimes in the long run, now I can type and cook and have some great memories of more female friends than the jocks. IBM Selectrics had a use to us dinosaurs. Bill Baka Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ |
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Jack Dingler wrote:
IBM Selectrics and other common typewriters of the time couldn't do proportional spacing? Dude, you've GOT to stop top-posting. It reveals your idiocy even more than what you write. Bill "and that's an accomplishment" S. |
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"Jack Dingler" wrote in message news:qjw2d.58641$MQ5.18065@attbi_s52... I don't see the proof here. The military would've had to have bought typewriters that predated WWII to avoid getting these basic features. Something that would've been costly in 1971. I think to make you point that the military couldn't afford the cheapest of student typewriters at the time, would be to argue that the military couldn't afford typewriters at all. My mom certainly couldn't afford an expensive one. An IBM Selectric wasn't exactly "the cheapest of student typewriters". I never argued that the balls were changed mid-memo, I just argued that it was easy to do. But for that particular memo to be real, thats exactly what would have had to happen. The argument is that proportional spacing and alternate fonts were impossible to produce on a typewriter in 1971. That's just false. In fact the main argument that proportional spacing was impossible was also false as even manual typewriters had had that feature for 30 years. I think your best case here is just to say you don't believe it. And that's cool. But the case that this was impossible, has to be false. Never said it was "impossible" to do. Earlier statements from me have said jut the opposite, in fact. Highly unlikely, though. The secretary of the Lt Col in question said she didn't type it. The ball change would have had to be done mid-word. They were evidently faxed from a Kinko's in Abilene. Which happens to be the closest Kinko's to the home of a former Texas Air Guard officer, who has publicly stated allegations against the Bush and the TXANG in the past, and then recanted those statements. There are speecific regulations (which I'm not going to bother to look up) regarding military abbreviations and fonts. Incorrect instances of both appear in these docs. You can swing at this windmill all you want, but that doesn't make those docs real. Pete |
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:40:45 GMT, Jack Dingler
wrote: IBM Selectrics and other common typewriters of the time couldn't do proportional spacing? Get real. That isn't the only issue. It includes the centering on margins, the superscript, and overall match with the memo. If you have a Selectric and the one Times Roman type ball, you should be able to match it up completely. The experts can't. OTOH, non-experts can match it up exactly with Word in minutes. Your defense is driven more by your political position, not logic. If the reverse situation had occurred, you would have been attacking these memos not only for their falsehood, but lining up stories about how the Republic Party was behind each and everyone. End of this part of the discussion. And pretty much everything else has been covered as well. Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... |
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Really? In what way? Because the norm is bottom postion? I don't see a
clear defining reason to think I'm an idiot for doing this. Have you got a rulebook handy? I've alternated in top and bottom and mid posting, since 1981. You're the first to say that I'm an idiot for doing it. Jack Dingler S o r n i wrote: Jack Dingler wrote: IBM Selectrics and other common typewriters of the time couldn't do proportional spacing? Dude, you've GOT to stop top-posting. It reveals your idiocy even more than what you write. Bill "and that's an accomplishment" S. |
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:50:07 -0700, Bill Baka wrote:
The only reason I knew how to type is that I took typing class in high school, the only boy in a class full of girls, I got thrown out. I and the other guy set the platen/carriage lock on release, so when everyone was told to set up the typewriter to start the day and hit the tab, all the carriages went flying, sort of. The four at the end took the best part of six months to pay for. We were going to look innocent, but we were laughing too hard to be much of a success. Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... |
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Jack Dingler wrote (placed where it makes sense to the reader):
S o r n i wrote: Dude, you've GOT to stop top-posting. It reveals your idiocy even more than what you write. Really? In what way? Because the norm is bottom postion? I don't see a clear defining reason to think I'm an idiot for doing this. Have you got a rulebook handy? I don't need a rule book to realize that a thread gets incoherent fast when one person top-posts while all others are being logical and considerate. Reading your posts is like joining a conversation in the middle, with no clue what's being talked about. I've alternated in top and bottom and mid posting, since 1981. You're the first to say that I'm an idiot for doing it. Guess we can add reading comprehension to your list of shortcomings. (Hint: I didn't say that top-posting MADE you an idiot.) Bill "btw, the fact that you don't always do it makes it that much more perplexing" S. |
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:45:58 -0400, Curtis L. Russell
wrote: On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:45:37 GMT, (Dave Mount) wrote: Osama's father has 20 wives and Osama himself is one of 56 brothers and sisters. As far as we know he is the only terrorist. The mere fact of being a blood relative of his does not suffice to incrimminate a family the size of a large village. Very fair point, but it doesn't really address what I said: i.e. | It was purely laughing at the idiocy of allowing people to leave the country | just because they didn't *say* they were terrorists. Nothing to do with who, or how many. Except Except nothing. I'm not suggesting *anything* about who left when, or who, or how many. The politics is immaterial to the joke! What is funny is that (as they put it), they let some people leave the contry *at some stage*, because they *said* they hadn't had anything to do with something. Please check you Republican Paranoia at the door. |
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What I saw on the news was a memo that looked typewritten to me,
especially with the top half of every letter faded out. Could the memos be faked? Sure they could. But the public arguments about proportional spacing and superscript made it clear to me that those raising the concerns didn't know their subject matter well enough to be experts. In this topic like others, I haven't made up my mind. I don't have access to the original records, and I don't trust folks like these experts that say that proportional spacing couldn't be done with typewriters. You're convinced. That's cool. I have no problem with that. But in the end it doesn't matter. In the scheme of the Bush / Kerry debate it rates up there with arguing about the shade of colors in the team's uniforms. No matter which team you root for, you get the same game. Bush and Kerry don't differ as far as substance is concerned and this memo debate demonstrates the difference are really about style and fashion. Jack Dingler Curtis L. Russell wrote: On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:40:45 GMT, Jack Dingler wrote: IBM Selectrics and other common typewriters of the time couldn't do proportional spacing? Get real. That isn't the only issue. It includes the centering on margins, the superscript, and overall match with the memo. If you have a Selectric and the one Times Roman type ball, you should be able to match it up completely. The experts can't. OTOH, non-experts can match it up exactly with Word in minutes. Your defense is driven more by your political position, not logic. If the reverse situation had occurred, you would have been attacking these memos not only for their falsehood, but lining up stories about how the Republic Party was behind each and everyone. End of this part of the discussion. And pretty much everything else has been covered as well. Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... |
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"Jack Dingler" wrote in message
news:svE2d.317173$8_6.218893@attbi_s04 Really? In what way? Because the norm is bottom postion? I don't see a clear defining reason to think I'm an idiot for doing this. Have you got a rulebook handy? Bottom vs. top posting and quotation style on Usenet http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html Why is Bottom-posting better than Top-posting http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/gey_stv0.htm http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html -- A: Top-posters. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet? |
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