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Plumbing and Wiring (was: Do bicycles and cars mix?)
In article , Jym Dyer wrote:
=v= Think this through: What costs more to maintain and repair after X number of decades of use? Water and sewer lines that cover a small area, or water and sewer lines that are spread out over miles and miles and miles? The ones which cover a small area--- because everything's on top of everything else. -- Matthew T. Russotto "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of a modicum of security is a very expensive vice. |
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In article , Matthew Russotto wrote:
In article MY0Bb.462009$HS4.3605319@attbi_s01, Brent P wrote: Wiring without insulation is *NOT* safe. Wiring not in conduit is *NOT* safe. Eh? Most residential interior wiring isn't in conduit, it's Romex. Not where I'm from. I've only seen the cheap ass romex on shows like this old house and an occasional home job. Surprised it's allowed anywhere. Just a for instance, an insepction of my grandparents house by the city forced putting the cord to the stairway light inside conduit. All it was a regular light power cord and it was pluged into an outlet less than 2 feet away. Nope, had to be in conduit. The only homes I've ever heard of where the wiring *HAD* to be redone were do to a design flaw of the initial system. Like cheap builders of the 1970s using aluminium wire. But at least it was generally in conduit so failure only ment no power. Aluminum wire doesn't fail in the wire runs; it fails at the receptacles, switches, etc. Which are in boxes if conduit is used. |
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"Brent P" wrote in message news:xnpBb.347344$275.1144720@attbi_s53... In article . net, George Conklin wrote: "Brent P" wrote in message newsvmBb.478810$HS4.3704337@attbi_s01... In article . net, George Conklin wrote: What is a total replacement? My daughter had a total plumbing replacement. It was a type of plumbing which was known to fail and flood houses. You didn't say that it was plumbing of inferior quality before, you just left that out implying it was an age related failure. Yes, 12 years is too old for much plastic plumbing. It is an age-related issue. Your knowledge base is very little. You don't get it. 12 years old is much too young to replace plumbing. If were made out of proper materials and installed with good workmanship it would last considerably longer. It was the use of cheap, poor materials, that is in fact a design flaw. Your knowledge base is very limited once again. You live in a very limited world. |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:00:57 GMT, "George Conklin"
wrote: Wiring without insulation is *NOT* safe. Knob wiring had insulation, you fool. Not always, fool. |
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"Matthew Russotto" wrote in message ... In article MY0Bb.462009$HS4.3605319@attbi_s01, Brent P wrote: Wiring without insulation is *NOT* safe. Wiring not in conduit is *NOT* safe. Eh? Most residential interior wiring isn't in conduit, it's Romex. I've also seen wiring done with cloth insulation and no conduit or outer sheathing, but only in a historic building (yes, it was even being used). The only homes I've ever heard of where the wiring *HAD* to be redone were do to a design flaw of the initial system. Like cheap builders of the 1970s using aluminium wire. But at least it was generally in conduit so failure only ment no power. Aluminum wire doesn't fail in the wire runs; it fails at the receptacles, switches, etc. -- Matthew T. Russotto Especially in those receptacles marked as dual purpose copper and Al. Even the aluminium wire used in feeds to the main fuse box are problematic. They have to have the connection tightened or they tend to overheat. I had one underground one burn out and drop a leg. You should have seen the mess when they dug it up. |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:58:15 GMT, Brandon Sommerville
wrote: On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 03:58:45 GMT, (Brent P) wrote: Conduit is required where I am at. And decent wire usually won't have a problem unless it's right by a fixture was very well used... in my experience anyway. I've never heard of wiring being totally redone for the sake of mere age if it was decent to begin with. Like you say one fixture, yeah sure. Our home is probably about 120 yrs old and we had to rewire the upstairs when we moved in. It was still the original knob and tube. Thanks for the correction, I think I called it knob and post. The main floor had already been done years ago. |
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"Daniel J Stern" wrote in message ... On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Brent P wrote: Wiring without insulation is *NOT* safe. Uncovered wire, means bare metal to me. "Uncovered" is not the same as "without insulation". http://www.webcom.com/~malin/knob.html [...]Often, older knob and tube wiring was dipped in solder prior to being wrapped with insulation and consequently, some of it has a silver appearance when the insulation is removed. This should not be mistaken for aluminum wiring [...] DS With joints soldered, they were far more secure than using wire nuts. |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 18:53:33 GMT, "George Conklin"
wrote: You didn't say that it was plumbing of inferior quality before, you just left that out implying it was an age related failure. Yes, 12 years is too old for much plastic plumbing. It is an age-related issue. Your knowledge base is very little. Sorry moron, but PVC drain lines will outlast everything but cast iron. Your knowledge base doesn't exist. |
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