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  #21  
Old December 21st 18, 06:33 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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Default Parents of girl hit by a cyclist count their blessings

On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 4:48:00 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2018 16:35, Simon Jester wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 3:49:14 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2018 15:22, Simon Jester wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 3:19:14 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2018 14:22, Simon Jester wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 2:20:32 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2018 09:01, TMS320 wrote:

On 21/12/2018 01:28, JNugent wrote:

Oddly enough, I have never rounded a corner or bend so fast that I
could not stop if my way happened to be obstructed, whether by a
pedestrian or anything else.

How do you know?

What are you talking about?

Just because it hasn't happened in the past doesn't mean it wont happen in the future.

I'd be prepared to put a bet on it not happening between today and a
given date in the future. Or at least, I would if the arrangements could
be acceptable.

So you agree there is a possibility it could happen.

For some people, reading comprehension seems to be at something of a low
around here.

I said (and it's worth re-reading exactly what I said):

"Oddly enough, I have never rounded a corner or bend so fast that I
could not stop if my way happened to be obstructed, whether by a
pedestrian or anything else".

Was there anything there which purported to read the future?

What one can say is that the attitude described - you can't see through
brick walls so you have to cater for the possibility that there is
something unseen and so far unseeable in your path - is a necessary
policy in order to stay safe and that it bodes well for the future.


Thank you for proving my point.


I really didn't want to point out that you don't understand plain
English (yet again), but you forced my hand.

But look... you could profit, even at your time of life, from learning
the differences between tenses.

You should probably re-read your own posts before you reply.


It's a bit late for you to try to score a point after you failed to
distinguish a statement about the past tense(s) from one about the
future. It was typical, I'm afraid, of your recurring difficulties in
comprehension.


So you are now saying you will never round a bend and crash into something.
Are you not human? Humans make mistakes.
The fact that you were willing to bet implies two possible outcomes.
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  #22  
Old December 21st 18, 08:04 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_10_]
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Default Parents of girl hit by a cyclist count their blessings

On 21/12/2018 17:24, TMS320 wrote:
On 21/12/2018 14:20, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2018 09:01, TMS320 wrote:
On 21/12/2018 01:28, JNugent wrote:


Oddly enough, I have never rounded a corner or bend so fast that I
could not stop if my way happened to be obstructed, whether by a
pedestrian or anything else.


How do you know?


What are you talking about?

I ask on the assumption that you know what you are talking about. I
accept that that might not be a safe assumption.


Ask yourself what you're talking about.


No, I was asking you what you were talking about.

It's not my (or anybody else's)
problem when you can't understand your own words.


???

Perhaps you were trying to say something along the lines of "I have
never rounded a corner or bend and crashed"? Something quite different
to your statement above.


That applies as well.

But it does not undermine or in any way countermand what I actually
said. My practice is always to drive at no more than a speed from which
I can stop within the distance I can see to be clear.

Well, my version happens to be the experience of most people and nobody
needs driving or cycling lessons from you.


That cyclist in the news story could have dome with being told to ride
at no greater speed than the one which permits him to stop within the
distance he can see to be clear. But perhaps it's wrong to assume that
he would be able to stop within any reasonable distance at all. After
all, he wouldn't be the first cyclist to have no brakes fitted to his
bike, would he?



  #23  
Old December 21st 18, 08:09 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_10_]
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Default Parents of girl hit by a cyclist count their blessings

On 21/12/2018 17:33, Simon Jester wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 4:48:00 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2018 16:35, Simon Jester wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 3:49:14 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2018 15:22, Simon Jester wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 3:19:14 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2018 14:22, Simon Jester wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 2:20:32 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2018 09:01, TMS320 wrote:

On 21/12/2018 01:28, JNugent wrote:

Oddly enough, I have never rounded a corner or bend so fast that I
could not stop if my way happened to be obstructed, whether by a
pedestrian or anything else.

How do you know?

What are you talking about?

Just because it hasn't happened in the past doesn't mean it wont happen in the future.

I'd be prepared to put a bet on it not happening between today and a
given date in the future. Or at least, I would if the arrangements could
be acceptable.

So you agree there is a possibility it could happen.

For some people, reading comprehension seems to be at something of a low
around here.

I said (and it's worth re-reading exactly what I said):

"Oddly enough, I have never rounded a corner or bend so fast that I
could not stop if my way happened to be obstructed, whether by a
pedestrian or anything else".

Was there anything there which purported to read the future?

What one can say is that the attitude described - you can't see through
brick walls so you have to cater for the possibility that there is
something unseen and so far unseeable in your path - is a necessary
policy in order to stay safe and that it bodes well for the future.

Thank you for proving my point.


I really didn't want to point out that you don't understand plain
English (yet again), but you forced my hand.

But look... you could profit, even at your time of life, from learning
the differences between tenses.

You should probably re-read your own posts before you reply.


It's a bit late for you to try to score a point after you failed to
distinguish a statement about the past tense(s) from one about the
future. It was typical, I'm afraid, of your recurring difficulties in
comprehension.


So you are now saying you will never round a bend and crash into something.


I am not saying that because I, unlike you, do not claim to be able to
fortell the future.

All I can tell you is (a) what my policy is and (b) that it is has
always been successful so far. I have no reason to believe that driving
around bends and corners carefully, cautiously and at no more than such
a speed which allows me to stop the vehicle within the distance I can
see to be clear is second nature. I was taught to drive in that manner
and have always done so. Why would I change it now?

Are you not human? Humans make mistakes.


The fact that you were willing to bet implies two possible outcomes.


Why do you constantly make up things like this?

Is your day not complete until you have told a few bare-faced fibs?
  #24  
Old December 21st 18, 08:46 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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Default Parents of girl hit by a cyclist count their blessings

On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 7:09:27 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2018 17:33, Simon Jester wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 4:48:00 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2018 16:35, Simon Jester wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 3:49:14 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2018 15:22, Simon Jester wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 3:19:14 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2018 14:22, Simon Jester wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 2:20:32 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2018 09:01, TMS320 wrote:

On 21/12/2018 01:28, JNugent wrote:

Oddly enough, I have never rounded a corner or bend so fast that I
could not stop if my way happened to be obstructed, whether by a
pedestrian or anything else.

How do you know?

What are you talking about?

Just because it hasn't happened in the past doesn't mean it wont happen in the future.

I'd be prepared to put a bet on it not happening between today and a
given date in the future. Or at least, I would if the arrangements could
be acceptable.

So you agree there is a possibility it could happen.

For some people, reading comprehension seems to be at something of a low
around here.

I said (and it's worth re-reading exactly what I said):

"Oddly enough, I have never rounded a corner or bend so fast that I
could not stop if my way happened to be obstructed, whether by a
pedestrian or anything else".

Was there anything there which purported to read the future?

What one can say is that the attitude described - you can't see through
brick walls so you have to cater for the possibility that there is
something unseen and so far unseeable in your path - is a necessary
policy in order to stay safe and that it bodes well for the future.

Thank you for proving my point.

I really didn't want to point out that you don't understand plain
English (yet again), but you forced my hand.

But look... you could profit, even at your time of life, from learning
the differences between tenses.

You should probably re-read your own posts before you reply.

It's a bit late for you to try to score a point after you failed to
distinguish a statement about the past tense(s) from one about the
future. It was typical, I'm afraid, of your recurring difficulties in
comprehension.


So you are now saying you will never round a bend and crash into something.


I am not saying that because I, unlike you, do not claim to be able to
fortell the future.

All I can tell you is (a) what my policy is and (b) that it is has
always been successful so far. I have no reason to believe that driving
around bends and corners carefully, cautiously and at no more than such
a speed which allows me to stop the vehicle within the distance I can
see to be clear is second nature. I was taught to drive in that manner
and have always done so. Why would I change it now?

Are you not human? Humans make mistakes.


The fact that you were willing to bet implies two possible outcomes.


Why do you constantly make up things like this?

Is your day not complete until you have told a few bare-faced fibs?


Once again you prove my point.

  #25  
Old December 21st 18, 08:55 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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On 21/12/2018 19:04, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2018 17:24, TMS320 wrote:
On 21/12/2018 14:20, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2018 09:01, TMS320 wrote:
On 21/12/2018 01:28, JNugent wrote:

Oddly enough, I have never rounded a corner or bend so fast that I
could not stop if my way happened to be obstructed, whether by a
pedestrian or anything else.

How do you know?

What are you talking about?

I ask on the assumption that you know what you are talking about. I
accept that that might not be a safe assumption.


Ask yourself what you're talking about.


No, I was asking you what you were talking about.


You have to know what you were talking about first.

It's not my (or anybody else's) problem when you can't understand your
own words.


???

Perhaps you were trying to say something along the lines of "I have
never rounded a corner or bend and crashed"? Something quite different
to your statement above.


That applies as well.


Not "as well". It is the only fact you know could be true.

But it does not undermine or in any way countermand what I actually
said. My practice is always to drive at no more than a speed from which
I can stop within the distance I can see to be clear.


I ask again. How do you know?

Well, my version happens to be the experience of most people and
nobody needs driving or cycling lessons from you.


That cyclist in the news story could have dome with being told to ride
at no greater speed than the one which permits him to stop within the
distance he can see to be clear.


Which is?

But perhaps it's wrong to assume that
he would be able to stop within any reasonable distance at all. After
all, he wouldn't be the first cyclist to have no brakes fitted to his
bike, would he?


Don't be stupid.
  #26  
Old December 22nd 18, 12:11 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 2:26:02 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2018 09:34, wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 9:25:03 AM UTC, TMS320 wrote:
When I was at school we were taught by Tufty?? "Look right, look
left, look right again. If all clear, quick march!"

I believe it was replaced soon after by the Green Cross Code, which
stated the same thing, more or less." LOOK before crossing the roads!
Maybe that school needs a visit from the local plod to give a
playtime talk?

It's probably because of the popularity of cars the size of a block of
flats. When a few are abandoned at the roadside, pedestrians don't have
the opportunity to look.

Alternatively those travelling along the road past parked vehicles
should be obliged to do what Nugent does and slow down to 3.5mph.


The main problem in this sad case would seem to be this though.

QUOTE:

"The area, outside Holy Trinity Church of England Primary School, used to be staffed by a lollipop lady, but she has *****not been replaced***** (EMPHASIS MINE) since leaving her post in April, parents say.

Now they are calling for urgent action be taken at the crossing to avoid a repeat incident.

Jessica suffered heavy bruising around her nose and eyes but is now recovering well.

Her mum, Becci Roberts, said that she ***did not*** blame the cyclist (EMPHASIS MINE)for what happened, but says that the layout of the road is hazardous."


Cyclists never cause injury to pedestrians. We are regularly reassured
of that here.

News stories which claim that it happened, whether in Yorkshire,
Shoreditch or Blackpool, are obviously made-up.


The part of your post citing evidence to support your claim seems to be missing.
Where can I find it?
  #27  
Old December 22nd 18, 12:05 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
MrCheerful
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On 21/12/2018 19:04, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2018 17:24, TMS320 wrote:
On 21/12/2018 14:20, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2018 09:01, TMS320 wrote:
On 21/12/2018 01:28, JNugent wrote:

Oddly enough, I have never rounded a corner or bend so fast that I
could not stop if my way happened to be obstructed, whether by a
pedestrian or anything else.

How do you know?

What are you talking about?

*
I ask on the assumption that you know what you are talking about. I
accept that that might not be a safe assumption.


Ask yourself what you're talking about.


No, I was asking you what you were talking about.

It's not my (or anybody else's) problem when you can't understand your
own words.


???

Perhaps you were trying to say something along the lines of "I have
never rounded a corner or bend and crashed"? Something quite different
to your statement above.


That applies as well.

But it does not undermine or in any way countermand what I actually
said. My practice is always to drive at no more than a speed from which
I can stop within the distance I can see to be clear.

Well, my version happens to be the experience of most people and
nobody needs driving or cycling lessons from you.


That cyclist in the news story could have dome with being told to ride
at no greater speed than the one which permits him to stop within the
distance he can see to be clear. But perhaps it's wrong to assume that
he would be able to stop within any reasonable distance at all. After
all, he wouldn't be the first cyclist to have no brakes fitted to his
bike, would he?




He should have shouted a warning that he was not stopping
 




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