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Old January 7th 19, 06:37 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 20:56:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 1/6/2019 6:40 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 08:29:02 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 11:17:15 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Lance's bad influence extends to all ages.

https://sports.yahoo.com/90-year-old...173702680.html


--
- Frank Krygowski

It's not how you play the game that counts; it's whether you win or
lose. At least it is according to a lot of athletes. It also applies to
a lot of other professions too.

Doping in athletics dates back to the original Greek Olympics.
--

Cheers,

John B.


Here's an interesting book to read, which deals with doping in sports.

https://www.velopress.com/books/spitting-in-the-soup/


Actually, the issue is even bigger than sports. Does anyone think
there's any limit to the things they will give to fighter pilots or
other combatants to give them an edge?

To my personal knowledge first-aid kits in the B-29 bombers used
during the Korean conflict contained amphetamines. They were delivered
to the airplane, usually during "pre-flight" and picked up after the
airplane landed.

I remember this as they weren't picked up after one mission and there
was a big to-do about it. It turned out that the first-aid kits were
still in the airplane and hadn't been opened, mainly as the ground
crews didn't know that they contained "goodies".

And to prevent the shooting from starting, I've often wondered what
diplomats and politicians juice up on for cross-the-water trips. I know
that whenever I've gone to Europe, I've been pretty dazed for two days.
But someone like a Secretary of State is expected to jet over to Belgium
or wherever and deal effectively with rival diplomats who have shifted
their body clocks by one hour or less.

Might the Yalta Conference have gone differently if it was held in Boston?

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Cheers,

John B.
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Old January 7th 19, 05:40 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 11:12:05 AM UTC-8, Ralph Barone wrote:
Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 11:17:15 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Lance's bad influence extends to all ages.

https://sports.yahoo.com/90-year-old...173702680.html


--
- Frank Krygowski


It's not how you play the game that counts; it's whether you win or lose.
At least it is according to a lot of athletes. It also applies to a lot
of other professions too.

Cheers


I haven't read much about this story, but he apparently passed a drug test
the day before the race, but then failed afterwards, for a substance that
takes much longer than days to have an effect. It could be a false
positive, or perhaps his alibi is true.


What's more the entire thing is pretty phony. They found a metabolite and not the drug itself. This drug is sometimes used to force cattle to grow faster. The UCI said that this 90 year old should have reported that he ate MEAT the day after his test.

What's more they didn't report the levels of the metabolite that would show whether there had been enough of the drug in his body to begin with to have ever had any effect.

Furthermore he could have gotten a metabolite and not the drug at all from eating meat.

They are taking the detection of drugs to such a high level that if you crap the day before they can tell. That would be fine were it in the least important in the performance of the athlete but it isn't.
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Old January 7th 19, 05:45 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 4:17:30 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 6:10:13 PM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 11:17:08 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

Lance's bad influence extends to all ages.

https://sports.yahoo.com/90-year-old...173702680.html


Lets be honest. It wasn't only Lance that was using "medicine" to
improve his ability, it was just about every one of the top riders of
that era. Look at the record of how many were caught and penalized.
Eddy Merckx, for example, tested positive in 1969, 1973 and 1977.
Fausto Coppi stated openly, on a television interview, that he took "
la bomba" - amphetamine. Miguel Induráin was never caught taking
drugs, except for Salbutamol, but former Festina coach Antonie Vayer
has cast doubt on Induráin's abilities, claiming only "mutants" could
have performed at the level he did.
--

Cheers,

John B.


I detest Lance Armstrong - not for his doping or even his denying it, but for his systematic attacks and attempts to destroy the credibility or finances of those who accused him of doping. That's what sets him apart from the other dopers = his vengeful attacks on those who tried to out him.

Cheers


I find comments like yours puzzling. Hinault and Merckx spent their entire lives destroying the careers of anyone that challenged them. By any means necessary. Hinault even went so far as to hire Lemond in order to pretend Lemond from whipping his butt. That was not to give Lemond a hand up but rather to keep him as an inferior. Merckx got people fired even from opposing teams.
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Old January 7th 19, 09:15 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 1/7/2019 12:45 PM, wrote:
On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 10:45:54 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 4:17:30 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 6:10:13 PM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 11:17:08 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

Lance's bad influence extends to all ages.

https://sports.yahoo.com/90-year-old...173702680.html

Lets be honest. It wasn't only Lance that was using "medicine" to
improve his ability, it was just about every one of the top riders of
that era. Look at the record of how many were caught and penalized.
Eddy Merckx, for example, tested positive in 1969, 1973 and 1977.
Fausto Coppi stated openly, on a television interview, that he took "
la bomba" - amphetamine. Miguel Induráin was never caught taking
drugs, except for Salbutamol, but former Festina coach Antonie Vayer
has cast doubt on Induráin's abilities, claiming only "mutants" could
have performed at the level he did.
--

Cheers,

John B.

I detest Lance Armstrong - not for his doping or even his denying it, but for his systematic attacks and attempts to destroy the credibility or finances of those who accused him of doping. That's what sets him apart from the other dopers = his vengeful attacks on those who tried to out him.

Cheers


I find comments like yours puzzling. Hinault and Merckx spent their entire lives destroying the careers of anyone that challenged them. By any means necessary. Hinault even went so far as to hire Lemond in order to pretend Lemond from whipping his butt. That was not to give Lemond a hand up but rather to keep him as an inferior. Merckx got people fired even from opposing teams.



Well, the Ride a Lot guy could hate Merckx and Hinault too. Personally, I hate Hinault. He always denigrated Lemond. While they were riding and every year after. I think even today he criticizes Lemond. I don't like Hinault. Never liked Armstrong either. Although I did go to his Austin Texas bike shop and saw one of his Tour bikes on display. Love Lemond. Like Fignon too. And Ullrich. I just like Ullrich. No feelings either way with Indurain. Hate those little Italian riders.


My personal opinion has no value but I very much respect
Jacques Anquetil as a phenomenal cyclist even though he was
a doper, a scumbag and an actual pervert. Beating everyone
else on a race course is a respectable thing aside from life
itself.

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Old January 7th 19, 10:32 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 1/7/2019 3:15 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/7/2019 12:45 PM, wrote:
On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 10:45:54 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 4:17:30 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 6:10:13 PM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 11:17:08 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

Lance's bad influence extends to all ages.

https://sports.yahoo.com/90-year-old...173702680.html


Lets be honest. It wasn't only Lance that was using "medicine" to
improve his ability, it was just about every one of the top riders of
that era. Look at the record of how many were caught and penalized.
Eddy Merckx, for example, tested positive in 1969, 1973 and 1977.
Fausto Coppi stated openly, on a television interview, that he took "
la bomba" - amphetamine. Miguel Induráin was never caught taking
drugs, except for Salbutamol, but former Festina coach Antonie Vayer
has* cast doubt on Induráin's abilities, claiming only "mutants"
could
have performed at the level he did.
--

Cheers,

John B.

I detest Lance Armstrong - not for his doping or even his denying
it, but for his systematic attacks and attempts to destroy the
credibility or finances of those who accused him of doping. That's
what sets him apart from the other dopers = his vengeful attacks on
those who tried to out him.

Cheers

I find comments like yours puzzling. Hinault and Merckx spent their
entire lives destroying the careers of anyone that challenged them.
By any means necessary. Hinault even went so far as to hire Lemond in
order to pretend Lemond from whipping his butt. That was not to give
Lemond a hand up but rather to keep him as an inferior. Merckx got
people fired even from opposing teams.



Well, the Ride a Lot guy could hate Merckx and Hinault too.
Personally, I hate Hinault.* He always denigrated Lemond.* While they
were riding and every year after.* I think even today he criticizes
Lemond.* I don't like Hinault.* Never liked Armstrong either.
Although I did go to his Austin Texas bike shop and saw one of his
Tour bikes on display.* Love Lemond.* Like Fignon too.* And Ullrich.
I just like Ullrich.* No feelings either way with Indurain.* Hate
those little Italian riders.


My personal opinion has no value but I very much respect Jacques
Anquetil as a phenomenal cyclist even though he was a doper, a scumbag
and an actual pervert. Beating everyone else on a race course is a
respectable thing aside from life itself.


And isn't it interesting that so many people want to turn their heroes
into angels? Pete Rose is an interesting example (not that I'm into
either baseball or betting). One of the absolute all-time greats, but
never going to be in the Hall of Fame because he did what millions of
guys do each day. He wasn't an angel, so he's a devil, never to be admitted.

I'd prefer my favorite riders to be good guys. Gino Bartali has my great
admiration. I think Greg LeMond is very admirable. Merckx my not have
been a perfect angel, but I still think he was the best.

But I suppose the problems come when someone flaunts his misbehavior
(think rap "musicians") and thereby influences teenagers and idiots (OK,
some redundancy there) to follow the same path.


--
- Frank Krygowski
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Old January 7th 19, 11:10 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 16:32:58 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 1/7/2019 3:15 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/7/2019 12:45 PM, wrote:
On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 10:45:54 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 4:17:30 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 6:10:13 PM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 11:17:08 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

Lance's bad influence extends to all ages.

https://sports.yahoo.com/90-year-old...173702680.html


Lets be honest. It wasn't only Lance that was using "medicine" to
improve his ability, it was just about every one of the top riders of
that era. Look at the record of how many were caught and penalized.
Eddy Merckx, for example, tested positive in 1969, 1973 and 1977.
Fausto Coppi stated openly, on a television interview, that he took "
la bomba" - amphetamine. Miguel Induráin was never caught taking
drugs, except for Salbutamol, but former Festina coach Antonie Vayer
has* cast doubt on Induráin's abilities, claiming only "mutants"
could
have performed at the level he did.
--

Cheers,

John B.

I detest Lance Armstrong - not for his doping or even his denying
it, but for his systematic attacks and attempts to destroy the
credibility or finances of those who accused him of doping. That's
what sets him apart from the other dopers = his vengeful attacks on
those who tried to out him.

Cheers

I find comments like yours puzzling. Hinault and Merckx spent their
entire lives destroying the careers of anyone that challenged them.
By any means necessary. Hinault even went so far as to hire Lemond in
order to pretend Lemond from whipping his butt. That was not to give
Lemond a hand up but rather to keep him as an inferior. Merckx got
people fired even from opposing teams.


Well, the Ride a Lot guy could hate Merckx and Hinault too.
Personally, I hate Hinault.* He always denigrated Lemond.* While they
were riding and every year after.* I think even today he criticizes
Lemond.* I don't like Hinault.* Never liked Armstrong either.
Although I did go to his Austin Texas bike shop and saw one of his
Tour bikes on display.* Love Lemond.* Like Fignon too.* And Ullrich.
I just like Ullrich.* No feelings either way with Indurain.* Hate
those little Italian riders.


My personal opinion has no value but I very much respect Jacques
Anquetil as a phenomenal cyclist even though he was a doper, a scumbag
and an actual pervert. Beating everyone else on a race course is a
respectable thing aside from life itself.


And isn't it interesting that so many people want to turn their heroes
into angels? Pete Rose is an interesting example (not that I'm into
either baseball or betting). One of the absolute all-time greats, but
never going to be in the Hall of Fame because he did what millions of
guys do each day. He wasn't an angel, so he's a devil, never to be admitted.

I'd prefer my favorite riders to be good guys. Gino Bartali has my great
admiration. I think Greg LeMond is very admirable. Merckx my not have
been a perfect angel, but I still think he was the best.

But I suppose the problems come when someone flaunts his misbehavior
(think rap "musicians") and thereby influences teenagers and idiots (OK,
some redundancy there) to follow the same path.


One of the things I find strange about people is this deifying of some
public personality. Someone says, "Oh! I hate him!" when the facts of
the matter is that the individual has never met "him" and literally
knows nothing about "him" except whet he reads in the news, which is,
of course, simply what someone else thinks about "him".

When I was in the A.F. I shot on base pistol teams and got to meet the
shooters on the Air Force Blue Team - these are the guys that go to
the Olympics and set records and so on. Initially they come across as
extremely arrogant people who see themselves as the best in the world.

And then I realized that unless one is supremely arrogant and one
believes that one is the best in the world one will never be a winner.
And winning proves to the individual that he is the best :-)

Hating a winner for sneering at another is to ignore the fact that, as
someone said, "nice guys finish last".
--

Cheers,

John B.
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Old January 8th 19, 12:23 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 19:12:01 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:
Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 11:17:15 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
Lance's bad influence extends to all ages.

https://sports.yahoo.com/90-year-old...173702680.html


-- - Frank Krygowski


It's not how you play the game that counts; it's whether you win or
lose. At least it is according to a lot of athletes. It also applies
to a lot of other professions too.

Cheers


I haven't read much about this story, but he apparently passed a drug
test the day before the race, but then failed afterwards, for a
substance that takes much longer than days to have an effect. It could
be a false positive, or perhaps his alibi is true.


How would he know the meat was contaminated?
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Old January 8th 19, 07:51 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 3:23:41 PM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 19:12:01 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:
Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 11:17:15 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
Lance's bad influence extends to all ages.

https://sports.yahoo.com/90-year-old...173702680.html


-- - Frank Krygowski

It's not how you play the game that counts; it's whether you win or
lose. At least it is according to a lot of athletes. It also applies
to a lot of other professions too.

Cheers


I haven't read much about this story, but he apparently passed a drug
test the day before the race, but then failed afterwards, for a
substance that takes much longer than days to have an effect. It could
be a false positive, or perhaps his alibi is true.


How would he know the meat was contaminated?


Europeans, in particular, tend to "doctor" cattle with growth hormones. But this sort of drug requires weeks to take effect and if he tested negative the day before, the presence of metabolites the day after could hardly point to cheating. Many Cat 1's and 2's couldn't pass drug tests.
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Old January 9th 19, 03:05 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 1:33:03 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/7/2019 3:15 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/7/2019 12:45 PM, wrote:
On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 10:45:54 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 4:17:30 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 6:10:13 PM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 11:17:08 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

Lance's bad influence extends to all ages.

https://sports.yahoo.com/90-year-old...173702680.html


Lets be honest. It wasn't only Lance that was using "medicine" to
improve his ability, it was just about every one of the top riders of
that era. Look at the record of how many were caught and penalized.
Eddy Merckx, for example, tested positive in 1969, 1973 and 1977.
Fausto Coppi stated openly, on a television interview, that he took "
la bomba" - amphetamine. Miguel Induráin was never caught taking
drugs, except for Salbutamol, but former Festina coach Antonie Vayer
has* cast doubt on Induráin's abilities, claiming only "mutants"
could
have performed at the level he did.
--

Cheers,

John B.

I detest Lance Armstrong - not for his doping or even his denying
it, but for his systematic attacks and attempts to destroy the
credibility or finances of those who accused him of doping. That's
what sets him apart from the other dopers = his vengeful attacks on
those who tried to out him.

Cheers

I find comments like yours puzzling. Hinault and Merckx spent their
entire lives destroying the careers of anyone that challenged them.
By any means necessary. Hinault even went so far as to hire Lemond in
order to pretend Lemond from whipping his butt. That was not to give
Lemond a hand up but rather to keep him as an inferior. Merckx got
people fired even from opposing teams.


Well, the Ride a Lot guy could hate Merckx and Hinault too.
Personally, I hate Hinault.* He always denigrated Lemond.* While they
were riding and every year after.* I think even today he criticizes
Lemond.* I don't like Hinault.* Never liked Armstrong either..
Although I did go to his Austin Texas bike shop and saw one of his
Tour bikes on display.* Love Lemond.* Like Fignon too.* And Ullrich.
I just like Ullrich.* No feelings either way with Indurain.* Hate
those little Italian riders.


My personal opinion has no value but I very much respect Jacques
Anquetil as a phenomenal cyclist even though he was a doper, a scumbag
and an actual pervert. Beating everyone else on a race course is a
respectable thing aside from life itself.


And isn't it interesting that so many people want to turn their heroes
into angels? Pete Rose is an interesting example (not that I'm into
either baseball or betting). One of the absolute all-time greats, but
never going to be in the Hall of Fame because he did what millions of
guys do each day. He wasn't an angel, so he's a devil, never to be admitted.

I'd prefer my favorite riders to be good guys. Gino Bartali has my great
admiration. I think Greg LeMond is very admirable. Merckx my not have
been a perfect angel, but I still think he was the best.

But I suppose the problems come when someone flaunts his misbehavior
(think rap "musicians") and thereby influences teenagers and idiots (OK,
some redundancy there) to follow the same path.


Racist! You are old and irrelevant and can never understand rap music. You should just go away and listen to your Mantovani LPs! Now! Shoo!

There are lots of reprobates with physical talent. I raced with many of them. In fact, I raced with Lance Armstrong. Well, O.K., I raced on the same street at a different time as Lance Armstrong -- I was masters and he was Pro/1/2 back in the Montgomery Subaru days. But I still felt like we were close, and I got to know him enough to see that he was sensitive and caring young man. He was just misunderstood. It was so sad. https://gregcfuzion.files.wordpress....ncer-photo.jpg Sniff, sniff.

Really, though, when you think about it, wow -- the guy did have 31 flavors of cancer. And he was treated right here in Ory-gun, at OHSU. Maybe we could take him on as one of those sullied but lovable home-town characters. He's uber-rich now with his big stake in Uber.

-- Jay Beattie.




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Old January 9th 19, 04:31 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 1/8/2019 9:05 PM, jbeattie wrote:
In fact, I raced with Lance Armstrong. Well, O.K., I raced on the same street at a different time as Lance Armstrong -- I was masters and he was Pro/1/2 back in the Montgomery Subaru days. But I still felt like we were close, and I got to know him enough to see that he was sensitive and caring young man.


My best was riding with Lon Haldeman during one of the early Race Across
AMerica (RAAM) sleep deprivation contests. The route went not too far
from a town I was visiting in central Pennsylvania (so it was toward the
end of the race), and I went to considerable trouble to ride to the
route and ride along with him for just a little while.

I remember saying only "You're looking good, Lon!" Which was a blatant
lie. He looked like death warmed over. As I recall, he was riding at
about 12 mph.

--
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