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Riding up Oliver's Hill to be barred
rooman Wrote: sorry to disagree....dedicated bike paths on Hopes Rise is a nadda! I will let this quote from bycyclingadvocacy AT yahoogroups.com cover it :- -Bikelanes provide no safety improvement. No study has ever shown such a thing. The implication of good study data and some straight forward logic aguments is that it is unlikely bikelanes could ever improve safety stats. The data, some straightforward logic arguments and lessons learned over 100+ years of vehicle facility design indicate why poor design ideas like bikelanes are esepcially inadvisible... Bikelanes provide lots of mis-education about proper roadway bicycling.- bike lane??? what bike lane? I think it's great the council have finally designated car parking lanes - sweet! -- warrwych |
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Riding up Oliver's Hill to be barred
"rooman" wrote in message
... OppyLock Wrote: SNIP .................. What if the planter boxes on the left of the speed humps were removed and a bike lane put in their place? The cars are still slowed ascending the residential, Hopes Rise. Cyclists have a dedicated path to take. Win/Win? . sorry to disagree....dedicated bike paths on Hopes Rise is a nadda! I will let this quote from bycyclingadvocacy AT yahoogroups.com cover it :- -Bikelanes provide no safety improvement. No study has ever shown such a thing. The implication of good study data and some straight forward logic aguments is that it is unlikely bikelanes could ever improve safety stats. The data, some straightforward logic arguments and lessons learned over 100+ years of vehicle facility design indicate why poor design ideas like bikelanes are esepcially inadvisible... Bikelanes provide lots of mis-education about proper roadway bicycling.- Dubious safety record aside ... I was just hoping to get rid of the speed humps. |
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Riding up Oliver's Hill to be barred
On 2007-03-22, OppyLock (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea: "TimC" wrote in message ... On 2007-03-20, OppyLock (aka Bruce) was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea: The needs of the many (drivers in their thousands each day) outweighing the needs of the few (cyclists in their hundreds (optimistically)). Especially when the cyclists have a viable alternative in Hopes Rise. Um. /Actually/. We are talking nominally about Saturday morning here. Try moving one of the zeros between the two sets there. Ahhh yeah ... different concerns at play here I see. I'm not considering the regular bunch to be in any (more) danger whatsoever when compared with the rest of the journey. Any bunch going up the hill is going to be much more visible than a single cyclist and there will likely be a few stragglers that give a bit of warning I like to think of it as "a few stragglers that will be hit first, alerting the driver to the possibility of more riders up ahead" I thank one or two particular riders last BR(x) I did for performing that useful service up steep hill number x Actually it's a risky proposition from either climb. From Hopes Rise you can't see immenently turning traffic from Olivers Hill and vice-versa you can't see merging traffic from Hopes Rise. Hopes Rise traffic must STOP though at the top. I'd still put Hopes Rise slightly ahead on points as you'd be at the left of the lane when rejoining Nepean Hwy, whereas if you climbed Olivers Hill you're in the middle of two lanes with a need to get over to the left fairly quickly. No more difficult for the Olivers Hill rider than any other intersection with an obtuse angle intersection. And Hopes Rise has hardly any car traffic on it -- I've never had trouble crossing back into the left lane in the (admittedly very few) occasions I tried it. -- TimC If I had encountered Bill Gates today, I would have shaken his hand, said "hello", and stopped kicking as soon as there was nothing left but a bloody stain on the floor. -- Shag |
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