New Cinelli frames origin

I'm looking at the '04 Proxima and Unica frames. I checked the Cinelli
site, but I couldn't find where they'd been fabricated. Are these
italian frames, or from the East? If they're from the East, does anyone
know which factory?
Is anyone in the group riding one? Any hits/misses/quirks in your
experience?
TIA

Scott

I don't know but have seen this recently with other brands as well.
Try figuring out where Bassos are currently made...they come with no
markings as to their origins on either the frame or the
packaging....The website has a banner that says "Italian made racing
bikes", but color me skeptical. They look like standard Taiwan frames
to me, and the steel Bassos always had "Made in Italy" decals as I
recall. Looking at the Masi website, I see that the page for their top
model trumpets the fact that its made in Italy. As for the other
models, its anyone's guess.

After decades of these brands shouting their Italian heritage from the
rooftops, seems odd that the are suddenly so coy about such things, no?
I'm willing to bet that a high percentage of the frames from these
companies are now of asian origin. Whether or not that's a bad thing
I'll leave as an exercise for the reader.

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I'm looking at the '04 Proxima and Unica frames. I checked the Cinelli
site, but I couldn't find where they'd been fabricated. Are these
italian frames, or from the East? If they're from the East, does anyone
know which factory?
Is anyone in the group riding one? Any hits/misses/quirks in your
experience?
TIA

The people I hang out with are still buying Cinelli Super Corsa
framesets in steel. When it comes to aluminum, I have a hard time
seeing difference between cinelli, trek, schwinn fastback, etc.
Except that the cinelli graphics are much uglier than these other
brands now.

Columbus owns cinelli and the corporation really isn't the same as it
used to be when it was a family owned business. That's why recent
designs have gotten a lot chunkier and a lot more unpleasant - and
more expensive. I guess its the difference between a company run by
cold calculating engineers vs. a company run by a snappy-dressing
Italian family ...

- Don "I'm one of those heartless engineers" Gillies
San Diego, CA

(Donald Gillies) wrote:
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Columbus owns cinelli and the corporation really isn't the same as it
used to be when it was a family owned business. That's why recent
designs have gotten a lot chunkier and a lot more unpleasant - and
more expensive. I guess its the difference between a company run by
cold calculating engineers vs. a company run by a snappy-dressing
Italian family ...

Hehehe....you're 100% right and that's why DeRosa is my favorite brand )

Ante Smokrovic
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(Donald Gillies) wrote:
writes:

Columbus owns cinelli and the corporation really isn't the same as it
used to be when it was a family owned business. That's why recent
designs have gotten a lot chunkier and a lot more unpleasant - and
more expensive. I guess its the difference between a company run by
cold calculating engineers vs. a company run by a snappy-dressing
Italian family ...

Hehehe....you're 100% right and that's why DeRosa is my favorite brand )

I don't know, it doesn't look like the DeRosas are immume from being
snappy-dressers:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/20..._vegas_road018

Then again, some DeRosa bikes don't look that much different than any other
italian/asian-made aluminum bike:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2000...s/DeRosa.shtml

I wouldn't be surprise if certain DeRosa, Masi, Cinelli, Casati, Viner and
other "italian" aluminum frames are all made in the same chinese factory....

In article .com,
"David B." wrote:
Looking at the Masi website, I see that the page for their top
model trumpets the fact that its made in Italy. As for the other
models, its anyone's guess.

After decades of these brands shouting their Italian heritage from the
rooftops, seems odd that the are suddenly so coy about such things, no?
I'm willing to bet that a high percentage of the frames from these
companies are now of asian origin. Whether or not that's a bad thing
I'll leave as an exercise for the reader.

IMO, particularly the "Masis" of today have pretty much nothing to do
with the classic brand aside from the fact that a couple of decades ago
Faliero Masi sold the name to somebody who sold the name to somebody who
sold the name to somebody who contracts with an Asian factory to make
most of the current "Masi" bikes. I guess they contract with an Italian
factory for the top of the line model, but I personally wouldn't find
much of a difference in this fact. Most of the modern stuff even from
the classic italian names looks kind of ugly to me in any case.

If you want the closest thing to a "real" modern Masi, Faliero's son
still makes them, apparently in Italy from the website, but you'd have
to go there to get one with the "Masi" name on it, otherwise they are
sold under the "Milano" brand in the states.

Baird