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Planning a very long ride - 8 hrs
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:39:08 -0700, Dan Daniel
wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:45:34 -0400, Badger_South wrote: I like the idea of the first segment being around 3-4 hours, b/c I have that much motivation, initially. Then knowing I'm 1/3 to 1/2 way there helps with the last part. But I like your plan of 2 hours and a 10 min break after that. As I said, I'm anticipating that the major hurdle will be 80-90% mental. ;-) -B Well, at the beginning of the day, mental can be a major hurdle. But if you use up your glycogen stores, mental stuff gets real hard. A brain without energy is a very unhappy brain, and things can get very ugly. Yeah, I imagine, but I've never really pushed myself to see where that point is. That's why I'm planning to do it close to home first to get an idea. I'll certainly ride slower than normal (but not much) and will eat on the ride. This might be one of the major physical differences between 3 hours and 8 hours. In 3 hours you might push the reserves down to zero, but it's ok. In 8 hours, you have to add new reserves as the day goes along. Well I must have a pretty high bonk threshold, b/c I hadn't really eaten any obvious carbs the previous week, and didn't eat on the ride itself, when I did the 3.5 hour ride a month or so ago. (famous last words, heh...) Plan on eating throughout the day. Nothing worse than bonking in the last half hour before the night's camp ground or final destination. Those have been the worst times I have had when touring- being 5-10 miles from the night's destination, and being completely beat and empty. Right. I'm a fan of adventure racing, although never done it and have been reading up on that kind of stuff. Probably go all liquid with the diet that day, or at least 'soft', like pnut butter and bananas and soforth. I'm sure some here would say 'just ride for the 8 hours, what's the big deal', but that would be OK for those who have ridden a lot (like frequent 3-4 hour rides), but my longest ride has been 3.5 hours, and only did that once. I'm hoping to get some posts on others who have done something like this, and their experiences vs the initial expectations. Doing one day of excessive miles is actually quite easy. It's the next day to watch out for! I believe it. Thing is I do a lot of weight training and even on rides that I think will be excessive, I don't have any pain in the legs or anything the next day. Only thing that might be a bother is I tend to get some cramping either in the hands or the feet, but it passes. Guess I'll be making sure to get the potassium and calcium supps and so forth. Thanks for the thoughtful reply! -Badger |
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Planning a very long ride - 8 hrs
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:02:39 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
wrote: Badger_South wrote: :: On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:46:43 -0400, Rick Onanian :: wrote: :: ::: On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:48:12 -0400, Badger_South ::: wrote: :::: I'm toying with the idea of doing a long ride this fall, after a :::: summer of 400 mile/months, and I'm interested in some ideas as to :::: pacing. Here's something I've been thinking about: ::: snip ::: ::: You're not ready. ::: ::: Work up to it. Do a 4 hour ride this weekend. Add a half hour or an ::: hour every weekend. :: :: I'm not ready, in regards to what? Are you saying I could -not- do :: this ride at my current level of training by, say Oct? I think he suggested you work up to an 8-hour ride over time, rather than just jumping to 8 hours of total riding per day. You know, there are people who have PhDs (like Ed Burke) and years of riding experience combined who write books on training for long rides (and other stuff regarding cycling). You're educated, but a noob to riding...why not avail yourself of accumlated knowledge and hard-won time in the saddle? I understand the need to build up. But IMO, it should be possible to do the 8 hours on a bike in the staged way I mentioned, on a fairly flat course without too much trouble. Note that I said above that I planned to do it in the fall, and would be ramping up, but I doubt if I'll ride anything over 4 hours in training. I want to see what happens when I push it, and have to dig deep. If you compare those guys who do adventure racing, they don't come anywhere -near- those kinds of miles in their training. Heh, if playboy bunnies can nearly finish a 6-10 day race in Borneo, surely I can do a measley 8 hours on a bike in the flat and level, eh? But thanks for the comments, honestly, Rog. -B :: :: Bet me $500, and I'll do it tomorrow, big guy! ;- :: :: -B |
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Badger_South wrote:
I've read stories (admittedly of younger riders) only training for a year to do some touring and then actually get in shape during the tour. Of course they were riding with a group and stuff. fwiw, i did a 3 month solo tour of 85 miles/day on a 2.5 year base of mostly commuting (before that i'd taken a few years off cycling) ~ 25-34 miles/day 3 to 5 days/week 8 months of the year. about a month before i left i did two longer rides (62 and 75 miles) and felt okay afterwards (the first one taught me to hydrate, btw .. i got minor flu like symptoms) so i hit the road. the first week felt good and it only got better from there. if you're ready it's my belief you know it. the leap from 30 to 85 or even 100 isn't the hard part. the hard part is from 0 or 10 to 30 *DAILY*. my routine was pretty consistent .. up at the crack of 10am (i'm a night person), eat a big breakfast, ride 40 miles or so, eat a big lunch and ride another 30 or so, eat an afternoon snack and ride the remainder, then eat a big dinner. eat, eat, eat and i still lost 15 pounds. as long as you're riding 30 or so miles daily the hump is probably much more mental than physical. -- david reuteler |
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Badger_South wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:22:38 -0400, David Kerber wrote: In article , says... I'm toying with the idea of doing a long ride this fall, after a summer of 400 mile/months, and I'm interested in some ideas as to pacing. Here's something I've been thinking about: How long is "long" (mile-wise, that is)? I'm not too worried about the mileage, although I would hope that after 8 hours of well-spaced riding that it would be around 100 miles. Ride for three hours, then 30 min rest (and take a shower?), eat, then ride for 2 hours, repeat rest, then ride for an hour, repeat rest, then ride final 2 hours. Does that seem like a good scheme? 3-2-1-2? People who do touring and stuff ride about 8 hours a day for like 2 weeks. 'Course they're sightseeing so it's more fun. It would probably require a "support crew" to bring food and change of clothes and stuff. If you were gonna do it how would you break it up? I'd probably put the first rest stop well before the 3 hour point, and space them more evenly. Maybe 1.5-1.5-1.5-1.5-1.5, or 2-2-2-2. Also, 30 minutes might be too long of a break; it might give your muscles too long, so that you would need a long warm up again when you start back up YMMV a lot on this, and will probably depend on the weather (temperature particularly). More frequent, shorter breaks work well for many people, such as 5 to 10 minutes every hour. Oh, I forgot to mention that. I find that a 2 min rest every 10-15 miles helps a lot, and I plan to incorporate that in addition to the other rest stops. I like the idea of the first segment being around 3-4 hours, b/c I have that much motivation, initially. Then knowing I'm 1/3 to 1/2 way there helps with the last part. But I like your plan of 2 hours and a 10 min break after that. As I said, I'm anticipating that the major hurdle will be 80-90% mental. ;-) -B When I do a century, I mentally break it down into four 25 mile segments, and I don't think beyond the current segment. 25 miles goes by fairly quickly, and I find that it doesn't seem too long before I'm finishing the third segment, and have only 25 miles left to go. If boredom is a problem for you on long rides, see if you can find a friend who rides at a similar pace (a club is a good source for riding friends) who can ride at least part of the way. Also, if you can select a visually interesting route that you aren't really familiar with, it might make it more interesting. Should be lots of visual stimulation in Virginia Beach, though! :-) Also see if you can select your route so that there are minimal stops and starts, such as traffic lights, cross streets, etc. The constant stopping and restarting can really wear you down after a while. The important thing is to condition your legs to spin for many hours at a time, and short rides of less than 15 miles or so aren't really going to help very much. If you can do a couple rides a week in the 30 to 40 mile range, it will help a lot, along with at least one day a week off the bike for recovery. Your muscles get stronger on the days that you rest, not the days that you ride. Have fun! Jonathan Quist |
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On 12 Jun 2004 04:52:19 GMT, David Reuteler wrote:
Badger_South wrote: I've read stories (admittedly of younger riders) only training for a year to do some touring and then actually get in shape during the tour. Of course they were riding with a group and stuff. fwiw, i did a 3 month solo tour of 85 miles/day on a 2.5 year base of mostly commuting (before that i'd taken a few years off cycling) ~ 25-34 miles/day 3 to 5 days/week 8 months of the year. about a month before i left i did two longer rides (62 and 75 miles) and felt okay afterwards (the first one taught me to hydrate, btw .. i got minor flu like symptoms) so i hit the road. the first week felt good and it only got better from there. if you're ready it's my belief you know it. the leap from 30 to 85 or even 100 isn't the hard part. the hard part is from 0 or 10 to 30 *DAILY*. my routine was pretty consistent .. up at the crack of 10am (i'm a night person), eat a big breakfast, ride 40 miles or so, eat a big lunch and ride another 30 or so, eat an afternoon snack and ride the remainder, then eat a big dinner. eat, eat, eat and i still lost 15 pounds. as long as you're riding 30 or so miles daily the hump is probably much more mental than physical. Thanks for relating your experience. If you don't mind my asking, where did you tour? Road condition - flat, gentle rolling, etc.? As to the mental vs physical, yeah I think that's the main issue. My brother, 155lbs, and 5'6" has only been riding (and somewhat sporadically at that) since March on a MTB rode 31 miles with me earlier this month in Va beach. That's on a base of about 60 total rides since he started. He's a bit of a 'fussy' person, complaining about leg pain and stuff, but not so much recently, and he had zero complaints after the ride. In fact it wasn't even a big deal to him. If I had to pick a physical 'barrier', I'd say excess body weight and maybe getting your system tuned so you get over the 'cramping' that can occue. That's the main reasons I'm targetting it for Oct-ish. I plan to be about 20lbs lighter by then. I'm already feeling the 'big engine/small(er) body' thing happening since losing the 40lbs since end of Feb. this year! But who knows, since I'm heading back to the beach on July 17th, mebbe we'll get psyched watching the TDF and gopher it!? ;-p -Badger |
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Badger_South wrote:
Thanks for relating your experience. If you don't mind my asking, where did you tour? Road condition - flat, gentle rolling, etc.? minneapolis to cheyenne, wy to pueblo, co to missoula to the oregon coast to seattle and back down to los angeles. soo, flat, rolling and mountainous, highways and the occassional interstate (several hundred miles of interstate). if you think mountains are bad wait until you hit the 20-30 mph headwinds of south dakota. no joke. riding in the mountains is actually quite fun .. -- david reuteler |
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Badger_South wrote:
:: On 12 Jun 2004 04:52:19 GMT, David Reuteler :: wrote: :: ::: Badger_South wrote: :::: I've read stories (admittedly of younger riders) only training for :::: a year to do some touring and then actually get in shape during :::: the tour. Of course they were riding with a group and stuff. ::: ::: fwiw, i did a 3 month solo tour of 85 miles/day on a 2.5 year base ::: of mostly commuting (before that i'd taken a few years off cycling) ::: ~ 25-34 miles/day 3 to 5 days/week 8 months of the year. about a ::: month before i left i did ::: two longer rides (62 and 75 miles) and felt okay afterwards (the ::: first one taught me to hydrate, btw .. i got minor flu like ::: symptoms) so i hit the road. the first week felt good and it only ::: got better from there. ::: ::: if you're ready it's my belief you know it. the leap from 30 to 85 ::: or even 100 isn't the hard part. the hard part is from 0 or 10 to ::: 30 *DAILY*. my routine was pretty consistent .. up at the crack of ::: 10am (i'm a night person), eat a big breakfast, ride 40 miles or ::: so, eat a big lunch and ride another 30 or so, eat an afternoon ::: snack and ride the remainder, then eat a big dinner. eat, eat, eat ::: and i still lost 15 pounds. ::: ::: as long as you're riding 30 or so miles daily the hump is probably ::: much more mental than physical. :: :: Thanks for relating your experience. If you don't mind my asking, :: where did you tour? Road condition - flat, gentle rolling, etc.? :: :: As to the mental vs physical, yeah I think that's the main issue. :: :: My brother, 155lbs, and 5'6" has only been riding (and somewhat :: sporadically at that) since March on a MTB rode 31 miles with me :: earlier :: this month in Va beach. That's on a base of about 60 total rides :: since he started. He's a bit of a 'fussy' person, complaining about :: leg pain and :: stuff, but not so much recently, and he had zero complaints after :: the ride. :: In fact it wasn't even a big deal to him. :: :: If I had to pick a physical 'barrier', I'd say excess body weight :: and maybe getting your system tuned so you get over the 'cramping' :: that can occue. That's the main reasons I'm targetting it for :: Oct-ish. I plan to be about 20lbs lighter by then. I'm already :: feeling the 'big engine/small(er) body' thing happening since losing :: the 40lbs since end of Feb. this year! You can definitely be ready by october. I plan to do a century (I'm predicting 8 hours) around then too. Being 20 lbs lighter will make a HUGE difference, too. How much do yo weigh now? :: :: But who knows, since I'm heading back to the beach on July 17th, :: mebbe :: we'll get psyched watching the TDF and gopher it!? ;-p Me too! :: :: -Badger |
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