I guess that makes three things the guy's done right.

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I would be very happy if he just took the whole rest of his term
off, and keep the hell away from a microphone!


Yeah, or five minutes to talk to a distressed mother of a soldier
who died in the unjust invasion of Iraq, who is camped outside of
his ranch.

You mean the mother he already met with over a year ago, and who
praised him afterwards? The one who USED to have a photo of the
President kisssing her on the cheek on her website? The one who now
tells a completely different account of all that, while posing for
pics with impeachment and chickenhawk signs all around her, and yet
claims she just wants to meet with him? The one who said:


snip

Yes, that's the one, Bill. Thanks for that article; I hadn't seen
that. Regardless, it doesn't change the very important questions that
she has to ask, and the right she has to ask them. I don't much care
for the spin put on her case, but bushie needs to answer to somebody.
Here is another bit that might help a bit:

The president -- who is spending a nearly five-week-long working
vacation at his Texas ranch -- said in a speech Wednesday that the
sacrifices of U.S. troops were "made in a noble cause." (Full story)

Sheehan said she found little comfort in his comments.

"I want to ask the president, why did he kill my son?" Sheehan told
reporters. "He said my son died in a noble cause, and I want to ask
him what that noble cause is."

Well, um, 'c'... President Bush didn't kill her son (who volunteered to
be there, of course). An insurgent killed her son while he tried to help
his buddies caught in a firefight (story I heard anyway). He was a true
hero, and deserves better.

How he died does not excuse the cause that brought him there.


The noble cause is millions (MILLIONS) of people freed from oppression and
tyranny. Guess that's too corny for you. On a "practical" level,
transforming Iraq (and Afghanistan) will, if successful, lessen and
perhaps even defeat the forces that create and foster terrorism in
generations to come.

Wow, you too have been captured by the ignorant, ethnocentric, and patently
misleading rhetoric spewed forth by the Bush administration. You notice that
we're the only country buying it? Wonder why that is?

So the way that we are "transforming" these other countries is to impose
sanctions for 10 years that have had devastating effects, such as widespread
malnutrition, disease, and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children
(mind you, these are only rough figures as we don't count them too well.
They just don't matter in terms of "casualties" to the Americans). Saddam,
however, remains a close partner with many in power, e.g. the President, up
until the very beginning of the Iraq war.

skip "liberation of Kuwait"

Enter operation "Iraqi freedom." Can you say propaganda? Do you know any
other country that takes the cute, "we're the good guys" slogan **** out by
the state spindoctors and makes it the title of their so-called "journalism"
pieces? No. Absolutely not. But here in the US, every corporate-run media
outlet does. Coincidence? But I digress.

So we carry out our master plan, assuming that as in the first war, we can
just bomb the **** out of these middle eastern idiots, capture Saddam, kill
some terrorists, and come home to steak, potatoes, cheap oil, and noone left
in the world to hate us.

Wrong answer.

Instead, we kill thousands upon thousands of Iraqi civilians (which aren't
counted, by the way, because they don't matter to us), lose thousands of
American lives, offend the Muslim world, and come to a stand-off with
guerilla forces. We've destroyed the infrastructure of their country (this
is the third summer they have not had a functional water system), incited
more anti-American sentiment across the world than we ever thought possible
(which translates to MORE terrorism), and set Iraq up for civil war between
their ethnic groups. They cannot support OUR system of democracy. It has
been shown time and again that you cannot simply impose democracy, walk
away, and expect it to stand. AND during the war a new precedent is set for
censorship of the press.


That's not what she said then or right after.

The point is that Bush does NOT understand, or have the ability to truly
empathize. How many sons and daughters of our nation's officers are serving
in Iraq?


No one's giving air time to the parents of lost soldiers who DO support
the president, even though they far outnumber the ones who feel like Ms.
Sheehan. Gotta wonder why that is...

Either because they are brainwashed by state propaganda or they want to
believe their son/daughter died for a reason. The truth of this war is just
too ****ing obvious.

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"JohnH" wrote in message

I would be very happy if he just took the whole rest of his term
off, and keep the hell away from a microphone!


Yeah, or five minutes to talk to a distressed mother of a soldier
who died in the unjust invasion of Iraq, who is camped outside of
his ranch.

You mean the mother he already met with over a year ago, and who
praised him afterwards? The one who USED to have a photo of the
President kisssing her on the cheek on her website? The one who now
tells a completely different account of all that, while posing for
pics with impeachment and chickenhawk signs all around her, and yet
claims she just wants to meet with him? The one who said:


snip

Yes, that's the one, Bill. Thanks for that article; I hadn't seen
that. Regardless, it doesn't change the very important questions that
she has to ask, and the right she has to ask them. I don't much care
for the spin put on her case, but bushie needs to answer to somebody.
Here is another bit that might help a bit:

The president -- who is spending a nearly five-week-long working
vacation at his Texas ranch -- said in a speech Wednesday that the
sacrifices of U.S. troops were "made in a noble cause." (Full story)

Sheehan said she found little comfort in his comments.

"I want to ask the president, why did he kill my son?" Sheehan told
reporters. "He said my son died in a noble cause, and I want to ask
him what that noble cause is."

Well, um, 'c'... President Bush didn't kill her son (who volunteered to
be there, of course). An insurgent killed her son while he tried to help
his buddies caught in a firefight (story I heard anyway). He was a true
hero, and deserves better.

How he died does not excuse the cause that brought him there.


The noble cause is millions (MILLIONS) of people freed from oppression
and tyranny. Guess that's too corny for you. On a "practical" level,
transforming Iraq (and Afghanistan) will, if successful, lessen and
perhaps even defeat the forces that create and foster terrorism in
generations to come.

Wow, you too have been captured by the ignorant, ethnocentric, and
patently misleading rhetoric spewed forth by the Bush administration. You
notice that we're the only country buying it? Wonder why that is?

So the way that we are "transforming" these other countries is to impose
sanctions for 10 years that have had devastating effects, such as
widespread malnutrition, disease, and the deaths of hundreds of thousands
of children (mind you, these are only rough figures as we don't count them
too well. They just don't matter in terms of "casualties" to the
Americans). Saddam, however, remains a close partner with many in power,
e.g. the President, up until the very beginning of the Iraq war.

skip "liberation of Kuwait"

Enter operation "Iraqi freedom." Can you say propaganda? Do you know any
other country that takes the cute, "we're the good guys" slogan **** out
by the state spindoctors and makes it the title of their so-called
"journalism" pieces? No. Absolutely not. But here in the US, every
corporate-run media outlet does. Coincidence? But I digress.

So we carry out our master plan, assuming that as in the first war, we can
just bomb the **** out of these middle eastern idiots, capture Saddam,
kill some terrorists, and come home to steak, potatoes, cheap oil, and
noone left in the world to hate us.

Wrong answer.

Instead, we kill thousands upon thousands of Iraqi civilians (which aren't
counted, by the way, because they don't matter to us), lose thousands of
American lives, offend the Muslim world, and come to a stand-off with
guerilla forces. We've destroyed the infrastructure of their country (this
is the third summer they have not had a functional water system), incited
more anti-American sentiment across the world than we ever thought
possible (which translates to MORE terrorism), and set Iraq up for civil
war between their ethnic groups. They cannot support OUR system of
democracy. It has been shown time and again that you cannot simply impose
democracy, walk away, and expect it to stand. AND during the war a new
precedent is set for censorship of the press.


That's not what she said then or right after.

The point is that Bush does NOT understand, or have the ability to truly
empathize. How many sons and daughters of our nation's officers are
serving in Iraq?


No one's giving air time to the parents of lost soldiers who DO support
the president, even though they far outnumber the ones who feel like Ms.
Sheehan. Gotta wonder why that is...

Either because they are brainwashed by state propaganda or they want to
believe their son/daughter died for a reason. The truth of this war is
just too ****ing obvious.


Damn I can't stand your type...

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"JohnH" wrote in message

I would be very happy if he just took the whole rest of his term
off, and keep the hell away from a microphone!


Yeah, or five minutes to talk to a distressed mother of a soldier
who died in the unjust invasion of Iraq, who is camped outside of
his ranch.

You mean the mother he already met with over a year ago, and who
praised him afterwards? The one who USED to have a photo of the
President kisssing her on the cheek on her website? The one who now
tells a completely different account of all that, while posing for
pics with impeachment and chickenhawk signs all around her, and yet
claims she just wants to meet with him? The one who said:


snip

Yes, that's the one, Bill. Thanks for that article; I hadn't seen
that. Regardless, it doesn't change the very important questions that
she has to ask, and the right she has to ask them. I don't much care
for the spin put on her case, but bushie needs to answer to somebody.
Here is another bit that might help a bit:

The president -- who is spending a nearly five-week-long working
vacation at his Texas ranch -- said in a speech Wednesday that the
sacrifices of U.S. troops were "made in a noble cause." (Full story)

Sheehan said she found little comfort in his comments.

"I want to ask the president, why did he kill my son?" Sheehan told
reporters. "He said my son died in a noble cause, and I want to ask
him what that noble cause is."

Well, um, 'c'... President Bush didn't kill her son (who volunteered to
be there, of course). An insurgent killed her son while he tried to
help his buddies caught in a firefight (story I heard anyway). He was a
true hero, and deserves better.

How he died does not excuse the cause that brought him there.


The noble cause is millions (MILLIONS) of people freed from oppression
and tyranny. Guess that's too corny for you. On a "practical" level,
transforming Iraq (and Afghanistan) will, if successful, lessen and
perhaps even defeat the forces that create and foster terrorism in
generations to come.

Wow, you too have been captured by the ignorant, ethnocentric, and
patently misleading rhetoric spewed forth by the Bush administration. You
notice that we're the only country buying it? Wonder why that is?

So the way that we are "transforming" these other countries is to impose
sanctions for 10 years that have had devastating effects, such as
widespread malnutrition, disease, and the deaths of hundreds of thousands
of children (mind you, these are only rough figures as we don't count
them too well. They just don't matter in terms of "casualties" to the
Americans). Saddam, however, remains a close partner with many in power,
e.g. the President, up until the very beginning of the Iraq war.

skip "liberation of Kuwait"

Enter operation "Iraqi freedom." Can you say propaganda? Do you know any
other country that takes the cute, "we're the good guys" slogan **** out
by the state spindoctors and makes it the title of their so-called
"journalism" pieces? No. Absolutely not. But here in the US, every
corporate-run media outlet does. Coincidence? But I digress.

So we carry out our master plan, assuming that as in the first war, we
can just bomb the **** out of these middle eastern idiots, capture
Saddam, kill some terrorists, and come home to steak, potatoes, cheap
oil, and noone left in the world to hate us.

Wrong answer.

Instead, we kill thousands upon thousands of Iraqi civilians (which
aren't counted, by the way, because they don't matter to us), lose
thousands of American lives, offend the Muslim world, and come to a
stand-off with guerilla forces. We've destroyed the infrastructure of
their country (this is the third summer they have not had a functional
water system), incited more anti-American sentiment across the world than
we ever thought possible (which translates to MORE terrorism), and set
Iraq up for civil war between their ethnic groups. They cannot support
OUR system of democracy. It has been shown time and again that you cannot
simply impose democracy, walk away, and expect it to stand. AND during
the war a new precedent is set for censorship of the press.


That's not what she said then or right after.

The point is that Bush does NOT understand, or have the ability to truly
empathize. How many sons and daughters of our nation's officers are
serving in Iraq?


No one's giving air time to the parents of lost soldiers who DO support
the president, even though they far outnumber the ones who feel like Ms.
Sheehan. Gotta wonder why that is...

Either because they are brainwashed by state propaganda or they want to
believe their son/daughter died for a reason. The truth of this war is
just too ****ing obvious.


Damn I can't stand your type...

The "type" that digests information other than what the American propaganda
machine spoonfeeds me?

You don't have to be an ignorant American. It is entirely up to you.

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"JohnH" wrote in message

I would be very happy if he just took the whole rest of his term
off, and keep the hell away from a microphone!


Yeah, or five minutes to talk to a distressed mother of a soldier
who died in the unjust invasion of Iraq, who is camped outside of
his ranch.

You mean the mother he already met with over a year ago, and who
praised him afterwards? The one who USED to have a photo of the
President kisssing her on the cheek on her website? The one who now
tells a completely different account of all that, while posing for
pics with impeachment and chickenhawk signs all around her, and yet
claims she just wants to meet with him? The one who said:


snip

Yes, that's the one, Bill. Thanks for that article; I hadn't seen
that. Regardless, it doesn't change the very important questions that
she has to ask, and the right she has to ask them. I don't much care
for the spin put on her case, but bushie needs to answer to somebody.
Here is another bit that might help a bit:

The president -- who is spending a nearly five-week-long working
vacation at his Texas ranch -- said in a speech Wednesday that the
sacrifices of U.S. troops were "made in a noble cause." (Full story)

Sheehan said she found little comfort in his comments.

"I want to ask the president, why did he kill my son?" Sheehan told
reporters. "He said my son died in a noble cause, and I want to ask
him what that noble cause is."

Well, um, 'c'... President Bush didn't kill her son (who volunteered
to be there, of course). An insurgent killed her son while he tried to
help his buddies caught in a firefight (story I heard anyway). He was
a true hero, and deserves better.

How he died does not excuse the cause that brought him there.


The noble cause is millions (MILLIONS) of people freed from oppression
and tyranny. Guess that's too corny for you. On a "practical" level,
transforming Iraq (and Afghanistan) will, if successful, lessen and
perhaps even defeat the forces that create and foster terrorism in
generations to come.

Wow, you too have been captured by the ignorant, ethnocentric, and
patently misleading rhetoric spewed forth by the Bush administration.
You notice that we're the only country buying it? Wonder why that is?

So the way that we are "transforming" these other countries is to impose
sanctions for 10 years that have had devastating effects, such as
widespread malnutrition, disease, and the deaths of hundreds of
thousands of children (mind you, these are only rough figures as we
don't count them too well. They just don't matter in terms of
"casualties" to the Americans). Saddam, however, remains a close partner
with many in power, e.g. the President, up until the very beginning of
the Iraq war.

skip "liberation of Kuwait"

Enter operation "Iraqi freedom." Can you say propaganda? Do you know any
other country that takes the cute, "we're the good guys" slogan **** out
by the state spindoctors and makes it the title of their so-called
"journalism" pieces? No. Absolutely not. But here in the US, every
corporate-run media outlet does. Coincidence? But I digress.

So we carry out our master plan, assuming that as in the first war, we
can just bomb the **** out of these middle eastern idiots, capture
Saddam, kill some terrorists, and come home to steak, potatoes, cheap
oil, and noone left in the world to hate us.

Wrong answer.

Instead, we kill thousands upon thousands of Iraqi civilians (which
aren't counted, by the way, because they don't matter to us), lose
thousands of American lives, offend the Muslim world, and come to a
stand-off with guerilla forces. We've destroyed the infrastructure of
their country (this is the third summer they have not had a functional
water system), incited more anti-American sentiment across the world
than we ever thought possible (which translates to MORE terrorism), and
set Iraq up for civil war between their ethnic groups. They cannot
support OUR system of democracy. It has been shown time and again that
you cannot simply impose democracy, walk away, and expect it to stand.
AND during the war a new precedent is set for censorship of the press.


That's not what she said then or right after.

The point is that Bush does NOT understand, or have the ability to truly
empathize. How many sons and daughters of our nation's officers are
serving in Iraq?


No one's giving air time to the parents of lost soldiers who DO support
the president, even though they far outnumber the ones who feel like
Ms. Sheehan. Gotta wonder why that is...

Either because they are brainwashed by state propaganda or they want to
believe their son/daughter died for a reason. The truth of this war is
just too ****ing obvious.


Damn I can't stand your type...

The "type" that digests information other than what the American
propaganda machine spoonfeeds me?

You don't have to be an ignorant American. It is entirely up to you.

nope...can't stand hippies...

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"JohnH" wrote in message

I would be very happy if he just took the whole rest of his term
off, and keep the hell away from a microphone!


Yeah, or five minutes to talk to a distressed mother of a soldier
who died in the unjust invasion of Iraq, who is camped outside of
his ranch.

You mean the mother he already met with over a year ago, and who
praised him afterwards? The one who USED to have a photo of the
President kisssing her on the cheek on her website? The one who now
tells a completely different account of all that, while posing for
pics with impeachment and chickenhawk signs all around her, and yet
claims she just wants to meet with him? The one who said:


snip

Yes, that's the one, Bill. Thanks for that article; I hadn't seen
that. Regardless, it doesn't change the very important questions that
she has to ask, and the right she has to ask them. I don't much care
for the spin put on her case, but bushie needs to answer to somebody.
Here is another bit that might help a bit:

The president -- who is spending a nearly five-week-long working
vacation at his Texas ranch -- said in a speech Wednesday that the
sacrifices of U.S. troops were "made in a noble cause." (Full story)

Sheehan said she found little comfort in his comments.

"I want to ask the president, why did he kill my son?" Sheehan told
reporters. "He said my son died in a noble cause, and I want to ask
him what that noble cause is."

Well, um, 'c'... President Bush didn't kill her son (who volunteered
to be there, of course). An insurgent killed her son while he tried
to help his buddies caught in a firefight (story I heard anyway). He
was a true hero, and deserves better.

How he died does not excuse the cause that brought him there.


The noble cause is millions (MILLIONS) of people freed from oppression
and tyranny. Guess that's too corny for you. On a "practical" level,
transforming Iraq (and Afghanistan) will, if successful, lessen and
perhaps even defeat the forces that create and foster terrorism in
generations to come.

Wow, you too have been captured by the ignorant, ethnocentric, and
patently misleading rhetoric spewed forth by the Bush administration.
You notice that we're the only country buying it? Wonder why that is?

So the way that we are "transforming" these other countries is to
impose sanctions for 10 years that have had devastating effects, such
as widespread malnutrition, disease, and the deaths of hundreds of
thousands of children (mind you, these are only rough figures as we
don't count them too well. They just don't matter in terms of
"casualties" to the Americans). Saddam, however, remains a close
partner with many in power, e.g. the President, up until the very
beginning of the Iraq war.

skip "liberation of Kuwait"

Enter operation "Iraqi freedom." Can you say propaganda? Do you know
any other country that takes the cute, "we're the good guys" slogan
**** out by the state spindoctors and makes it the title of their
so-called "journalism" pieces? No. Absolutely not. But here in the US,
every corporate-run media outlet does. Coincidence? But I digress.

So we carry out our master plan, assuming that as in the first war, we
can just bomb the **** out of these middle eastern idiots, capture
Saddam, kill some terrorists, and come home to steak, potatoes, cheap
oil, and noone left in the world to hate us.

Wrong answer.

Instead, we kill thousands upon thousands of Iraqi civilians (which
aren't counted, by the way, because they don't matter to us), lose
thousands of American lives, offend the Muslim world, and come to a
stand-off with guerilla forces. We've destroyed the infrastructure of
their country (this is the third summer they have not had a functional
water system), incited more anti-American sentiment across the world
than we ever thought possible (which translates to MORE terrorism), and
set Iraq up for civil war between their ethnic groups. They cannot
support OUR system of democracy. It has been shown time and again that
you cannot simply impose democracy, walk away, and expect it to stand.
AND during the war a new precedent is set for censorship of the press.


That's not what she said then or right after.

The point is that Bush does NOT understand, or have the ability to
truly empathize. How many sons and daughters of our nation's officers
are serving in Iraq?


No one's giving air time to the parents of lost soldiers who DO
support the president, even though they far outnumber the ones who
feel like Ms. Sheehan. Gotta wonder why that is...

Either because they are brainwashed by state propaganda or they want to
believe their son/daughter died for a reason. The truth of this war is
just too ****ing obvious.


Damn I can't stand your type...

The "type" that digests information other than what the American
propaganda machine spoonfeeds me?

You don't have to be an ignorant American. It is entirely up to you.

nope...can't stand hippies...

you can stop proving you're ignorant now. go back to watching television.

cc wrote:
"JD" wrote in message
oups.com...

gree-c quoted someone else:
"I want him to honor my son by bringing the troops home
immediately," Sheehan told reporters Saturday.


That quote could only make one wonder if her son would feel honor in
his name being used to desert a mission he sacrificed his life for
before it was completed.


The sacrifice of life does not make it a just mission. Many have died
for terrible causes. I'm sure some of the families of the SS felt
that way too.

That's all anyone needs to see or hear. Comparing Hitler's Nazi Jew-killing
thugs to Coalition forces in Iraq.

No wonder you post anonymously...

cc wrote:

He sees no difference between "the SS" and US soldiers, so whatever he
writes has zero credibility or weight.

You bias is hanging out; don't trip on it!

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cc wrote:

He sees no difference between "the SS" and US soldiers, so whatever he
writes has zero credibility or weight.


Did I write "I see no difference" ?

No.

I'm just saying there is emotion involved in the loss of a loved one, and
that - regardless of who is right or wrong - there is a desire to believe
that there is a greater cause and that the death was not in vain.

You bias is hanging out; don't trip on it!

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oups.com...

gree-c quoted someone else:
"I want him to honor my son by bringing the troops home
immediately," Sheehan told reporters Saturday.


That quote could only make one wonder if her son would feel honor in
his name being used to desert a mission he sacrificed his life for
before it was completed.


The sacrifice of life does not make it a just mission. Many have died
for terrible causes. I'm sure some of the families of the SS felt
that way too.

That's all anyone needs to see or hear. Comparing Hitler's Nazi
Jew-killing thugs to Coalition forces in Iraq.

Bill, find a better point to argue here. You know the point that I'm making,
and it has nothing to do with calling the soldiers in Iraq Nazis. I'm just
saying that the logic of sending soldiers "in honor" of those that died and
using that to justify the completion of said "mission" is totally faulty.

That said, the United States is just that: a thug. We spit in the face of
the United Nations, or any other civilized law-making body. If you read the
excerpt from Bolton (now our UN ambassador) that I posted earlier, you would
know that. What makes us so special as to start an occupation of a country
that has not provoked our attack? You really think that - given the choice -
the majority of Iraqis would have voted for us to come and demolish their
country, kill thousands of their citizens, and incite the development of
terrorist forces under the guise of democracy? Yeah right.


No wonder you post anonymously...

It makes absolutely no difference to you or anyone on this newsgroup whether
or not my identity is known. I don't care if I know you as Bill or um,
anything else.

You are also quite aware of the super, fun people that show up on this group
that I wouldn't want knowing my location. Not to mention those -- clearly
exceptionally skilled at rational argument -- use my current school as a
reason to insult.

"cc" wrote:

"Bill Sornson" wrote
cc wrote:

The sacrifice of life does not make it a just mission. Many have died
for terrible causes. I'm sure some of the families of the SS felt
that way too.

That's all anyone needs to see or hear. Comparing Hitler's Nazi
Jew-killing thugs to Coalition forces in Iraq.

Bill, find a better point to argue here. You know the point that I'm making,
and it has nothing to do with calling the soldiers in Iraq Nazis. I'm just
saying that the logic of sending soldiers "in honor" of those that died and
using that to justify the completion of said "mission" is totally faulty.

Too late - Godwin's law has been invoked (and yes, your example is
more than just a bit over the top - it shows either a desire to
inflame or a near total lack of historical perspective).

That said, the United States is just that: a thug. We spit in the face of
the United Nations, or any other civilized law-making body.

Wait - which is it - the UN or a "civilized law-making body". I'm
amazed at those who still trust the UN to do anything other than
funnel around graft and bribes. It's about time someone DID hold the
UN's feet to the fire - the alternative is to simply let it die the
slow and awful death it's experiencing now. Perhaps you ARE happy
with the current state of the UN (see note above about "lack of
historical perspective).

If you read the
excerpt from Bolton (now our UN ambassador) that I posted earlier, you would
know that. What makes us so special as to start an occupation of a country
that has not provoked our attack? You really think that - given the choice -
the majority of Iraqis would have voted for us to come and demolish their
country, kill thousands of their citizens, and incite the development of
terrorist forces under the guise of democracy? Yeah right.

Most Iraqis want us there now, and most are really, really glad that
Saddam is gone. They'll be much more happy when the insurgents
finally run out of gullible people (though this thread proves there
are some left). ;-)

No wonder you post anonymously...

It makes absolutely no difference to you or anyone on this newsgroup whether
or not my identity is known. I don't care if I know you as Bill or um,
anything else.

OK, "c". It's always been my experience that an anonymous opinion is
one without conviction, but that's just me I guess.

You are also quite aware of the super, fun people that show up on this group
that I wouldn't want knowing my location. Not to mention those -- clearly
exceptionally skilled at rational argument -- use my current school as a
reason to insult.

Methinks you worry too much, but again - that's just me.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame