Why hematocrit drugs?

If hematocrit enhancing drugs is all they can get away with these days, and
they can only boost that to a relatively modest 50, it would seem to me that
turning your bedroom into an O2 tent would be a whole lot less bother than
vet's, idiotic phone codes, IV's and the like.

Maybe Johann just got nostalgic and decided to try and keep European
cycling's long, rich history of intravenous doping from dying? Surely he can
be forgiven for that.

D.


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Err, if you're limiting your hematocrit to 50% or less than the only
difference between an altitude tent and the EPO needle is the speed of
reaching your goal.

"Andy Coggan" wrote in message
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"Darren" wrote in message
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If hematocrit enhancing drugs is all they can get away with these
days,
and
they can only boost that to a relatively modest 50, it would seem
to me
that
turning your bedroom into an O2 tent would be a whole lot less
bother than
vet's, idiotic phone codes, IV's and the like.

You're assuming that living/sleeping in an altitude tent is just as
effective as injecting yourself with EPO. The available science says
that
this assumption is incorrect.

Andy Coggan

Yeah but I read Men's Health and it said that Lance has pushed his Hct
to near 50, almost a 10% increase over previously reported values.
That same article had some nteresting quotes from you, as well.
Surely your quotes must carry some weight...

"Andy Coggan" wrote in message ink.net...
"Darren" wrote in message
nk.net...
If hematocrit enhancing drugs is all they can get away with these days,
and
they can only boost that to a relatively modest 50, it would seem to me
that
turning your bedroom into an O2 tent would be a whole lot less bother than
vet's, idiotic phone codes, IV's and the like.

You're assuming that living/sleeping in an altitude tent is just as
effective as injecting yourself with EPO. The available science says that
this assumption is incorrect.

Andy Coggan

From: (chris)

Yeah but I read Men's Health and it said that Lance has pushed his Hct
to near 50, almost a 10% increase over previously reported values.
That same article had some nteresting quotes from you, as well.
Surely your quotes must carry some weight...


You are being sarcastic I hope. You are way too intelligent to take a Weider
publication as a being a credible reporter of scientific facts. The crap they
have put out over the years rivals "The Weekly World News" except the "News"
admits they make it up.
Bill C

"chris" wrote in message
om...

"Andy Coggan" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Darren" wrote in message
nk.net...
If hematocrit enhancing drugs is all they can get away with these
days,
and
they can only boost that to a relatively modest 50, it would seem to
me
that
turning your bedroom into an O2 tent would be a whole lot less bother
than
vet's, idiotic phone codes, IV's and the like.

You're assuming that living/sleeping in an altitude tent is just as
effective as injecting yourself with EPO. The available science says
that
this assumption is incorrect.

Yeah but I read Men's Health and it said that Lance has pushed his Hct
to near 50, almost a 10% increase over previously reported values.
That same article had some nteresting quotes from you, as well.
Surely your quotes must carry some weight...

I don't know how many times I talked to the writer and editor at Men's
Health trying to help them with their story, but whatever it was I'm not
100% certain that we ever got everything completely cleared up. Having not
seen the article, I can only hope that I was quoted accurately.

Andy Coggan

From: "Andy Coggan"

I don't know how many times I talked to the writer and editor at Men's
Health trying to help them with their story, but whatever it was I'm not
100% certain that we ever got everything completely cleared up. Having not
seen the article, I can only hope that I was quoted accurately.

Andy Coggan


Andy, You I believe. Them I have huge questions about. Mauro DiPasquale.
'Nough said?
Bill C

Subject: Why hematocrit drugs?
From: "Darren"
Date: 9/11/03 1:09 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: et

If hematocrit enhancing drugs is all they can get away with these days, and
they can only boost that to a relatively modest 50, it would seem to me that
turning your bedroom into an O2 tent would be a whole lot less bother than
vet's, idiotic phone codes, IV's and the like.


did you ever think of the possibility that these guys don't sleep in their own
bed every night? If you ever raced alot you would know that you spend VERY
LITTLE time in your own bed. That is why these guys take drugs to boost their
hematocrit.

Plus the wives would not be to hip to the idea of sleeping at 14,000ft...

thanks,
jason

"Jason Waddell" wrote in message

Plus the wives would not be to hip to the idea of sleeping at 14,000ft...


And pass up the chance to join the 2.652 mile high club?

"Jason Waddell" wrote in message
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Subject: Why hematocrit drugs?
From: "Darren"
Date: 9/11/03 1:09 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: et

If hematocrit enhancing drugs is all they can get away with these days,
and
they can only boost that to a relatively modest 50, it would seem to me
that
turning your bedroom into an O2 tent would be a whole lot less bother than
vet's, idiotic phone codes, IV's and the like.


did you ever think of the possibility that these guys don't sleep in their
own
bed every night? If you ever raced alot you would know that you spend VERY
LITTLE time in your own bed. That is why these guys take drugs to boost
their
hematocrit.

Plus the wives would not be to hip to the idea of sleeping at 14,000ft...



I know a couple that did that.

She didn't have a problem with it, but she was also cool. I can see other
wives not willing to compromise.

"warren" wrote in message
...
In article , chris
wrote:

Yeah but I read Men's Health and it said that Lance has pushed his Hct
to near 50, almost a 10% increase over previously reported values.

Lance has mentioned using an altitude tent.

And John Cobb told me that he saw it sitting smack-dab in the middle of the
bedroom of his villa in France (before Armstrong moved to Spain). But again,
the issue is whether you can drive hematocrit up that much via manipulation
of inspired PO2. Perhaps if you were exposed to the equivalent of 15,000
feet for 24 h/d for many months on end...but even then, a good part of the
increase in hematocrit would be due to a decline in plasma volume, not an
increase in red cell volume.

Andy Coggan