Yesterday's exercise

On 21/04/2020 11:53, soup wrote:

Day to day work arounds (back then) were not what I was posting about.
Someone had said the world pre cars must have been fantastic all I was,
meaning, to do was show that there have ALWAYS been problems in busy
areas (sometimes not so obvious ).

In my original piece I was alluding to once wide tree lined avenues of
elegant town houses that have turned into noisy, polluted two or three
lane traffic choked streets that one wouldn't normally consider going
down other than in a car on the way to somewhere else.

On 13:22 20 Apr 2020, Kelly said:

That's another thing, with so little of anybody else around, little
indiscreations that you wouldn't normally dream of making can now be
undertaken with a feeling of almost complete freedom

As a rule, cyclists need no encouragement to act indiscreetly and many do
so all the time. This is one of the reasons cyclists are so disliked, by
motorists and pedestrians alike.

because there is no one else to mind or be bothered. This is what it
must have been like in the Black and White movie days before the
explosion of cars and the swell people - and we can presently live it in
glorious colour.

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 1:28:06 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:22 20 Apr 2020, Kelly said:

That's another thing, with so little of anybody else around, little
indiscreations that you wouldn't normally dream of making can now be
undertaken with a feeling of almost complete freedom

As a rule, cyclists need no encouragement to act indiscreetly and many do
so all the time. This is one of the reasons cyclists are so disliked, by
motorists and pedestrians alike.

Unlike this group of law abiding citizens?

Speeding, parking the wrong way at night, on yellow lines, on zig zags, outside schools, pavement parking, obstructing traffic by inconsiderate parking, driving while drunk, on mobile phones, with no car tax, no licence, no insurance, no MOT, illegal plates, overtaking on double lines, due care, bald tyres, faulty brakes, one eyed monsters, no rear lights, no brake lights, no indicators, fog light abuse, faulty steering, windscreen obscuration, darkly tinted windows, child seat abuse, no seatbelts, insecure load, one way street abuse, amber/red light jumping, cycle box abuse, bus lane abuse, box junction abuse, death by dangerous driving, excess smoke and noise from exhaust, duff suspension, leaking oil, cash for crash fiddles, underage child in front, lights causing glare, over weight limit, ignoring no entry signs, parking without permit, not having control of your vehicle, improper use of horn, using horn at night, no in date photo licence, no licence application after long ban, without prescribed eyewear, failing to stop for police/lollipop/zebra etc - ran out of space

On 21/04/2020 13:51, Simon Mason wrote:

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 1:28:06 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote:

On 13:22 20 Apr 2020, Kelly said:


That's another thing, with so little of anybody else around, little
indiscreations that you wouldn't normally dream of making can now be
undertaken with a feeling of almost complete freedom


As a rule, cyclists need no encouragement to act indiscreetly and many do
so all the time. This is one of the reasons cyclists are so disliked, by
motorists and pedestrians alike.


Unlike this group of law abiding citizens?

Speeding, parking the wrong way at night, on yellow lines, on zig zags, outside schools, pavement parking, obstructing traffic by inconsiderate parking, driving while drunk, on mobile phones, with no car tax, no licence, no insurance, no MOT, illegal plates, overtaking on double lines, due care, bald tyres, faulty brakes, one eyed monsters, no rear lights, no brake lights, no indicators, fog light abuse, faulty steering, windscreen obscuration, darkly tinted windows, child seat abuse, no seatbelts, insecure load, one way street abuse, amber/red light jumping, cycle box abuse, bus lane abuse, box junction abuse, death by dangerous driving, excess smoke and noise from exhaust, duff suspension, leaking oil, cash for crash fiddles, underage child in front, lights causing glare, over weight limit, ignoring no entry signs, parking without permit, not having control of your vehicle, improper use of horn, using horn at night, no in date photo licence, no licence application after long ban, without prescribed eyewear, failing to stop for police/lollipop/zebra etc - ran out of space


You have committed all those and more that you couldn't fit in?

Many people won't be surprised.

Pamela wrote:

On 13:22 20 Apr 2020, Kelly said:

That's another thing, with so little of anybody else around, little
indiscreations that you wouldn't normally dream of making can now be
undertaken with a feeling of almost complete freedom

As a rule, cyclists need no encouragement to act indiscreetly and many do
so all the time. This is one of the reasons cyclists are so disliked, by
motorists and pedestrians alike.

Well, I am sorry to learn that is your impression but it isn't mine.
Although, it is undoubtedly true to say that some cyclists need no
encouragement to act indiscreetly and many do so all too frequently.
I think that is a good reason to dislike those cyclists who behave in
that way.

In fact, I deplore the antics of some idiots on bicycles and am
horrified by what some of the lunatics on bicycles get up to. I don't
see that as a reason, thought, to dislike each and every cyclist.

There is every chance that a good person who takes up cycling will
remain a good person, in the same way that you would expect a well
known idiot to still be one, in all probability, even if they happened
to be riding a bicycle. This is not rocket surgery, in the wise words
of a member of this flock, yet I continue to be amazed at how quick so
many drivers, in particular, are to condemn cyclists as one stereo-
typical mass.

On 13:51 21 Apr 2020, Simon Mason said:

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 1:28:06 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:22 20 Apr 2020, Kelly said:

That's another thing, with so little of anybody else around, little
indiscreations that you wouldn't normally dream of making can now be
undertaken with a feeling of almost complete freedom

As a rule, cyclists need no encouragement to act indiscreetly and many
do so all the time. This is one of the reasons cyclists are so
disliked, by motorists and pedestrians alike.

Unlike this group of law abiding citizens?

Speeding, parking the wrong way at night, on yellow lines, on zig zags,
outside schools, pavement parking, obstructing traffic by inconsiderate
parking, driving while drunk, on mobile phones, with no car tax, no
licence, no insurance, no MOT, illegal plates, overtaking on double
lines, due care, bald tyres, faulty brakes, one eyed monsters, no rear
lights, no brake lights, no indicators, fog light abuse, faulty
steering, windscreen obscuration, darkly tinted windows, child seat
abuse, no seatbelts, insecure load, one way street abuse, amber/red
light jumping, cycle box abuse, bus lane abuse, box junction abuse,
death by dangerous driving, excess smoke and noise from exhaust, duff
suspension, leaking oil, cash for crash fiddles, underage child in
front, lights causing glare, over weight limit, ignoring no entry signs,
parking without permit, not having control of your vehicle, improper use
of horn, using horn at night, no in date photo licence, no licence
application after long ban, without prescribed eyewear, failing to stop
for police/lollipop/zebra etc - ran out of space

How does any of that alter the accuracy of what I wrote?

Two wrongs do not make a right and finger-pointing does not turn a badly
behaved cyclist into a well behaved one.

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 3:35:30 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:51 21 Apr 2020, Simon Mason said:

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 1:28:06 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:22 20 Apr 2020, Kelly said:

That's another thing, with so little of anybody else around, little
indiscreations that you wouldn't normally dream of making can now be
undertaken with a feeling of almost complete freedom

As a rule, cyclists need no encouragement to act indiscreetly and many
do so all the time. This is one of the reasons cyclists are so
disliked, by motorists and pedestrians alike.

Unlike this group of law abiding citizens?

Speeding, parking the wrong way at night, on yellow lines, on zig zags,
outside schools, pavement parking, obstructing traffic by inconsiderate
parking, driving while drunk, on mobile phones, with no car tax, no
licence, no insurance, no MOT, illegal plates, overtaking on double
lines, due care, bald tyres, faulty brakes, one eyed monsters, no rear
lights, no brake lights, no indicators, fog light abuse, faulty
steering, windscreen obscuration, darkly tinted windows, child seat
abuse, no seatbelts, insecure load, one way street abuse, amber/red
light jumping, cycle box abuse, bus lane abuse, box junction abuse,
death by dangerous driving, excess smoke and noise from exhaust, duff
suspension, leaking oil, cash for crash fiddles, underage child in
front, lights causing glare, over weight limit, ignoring no entry signs,
parking without permit, not having control of your vehicle, improper use
of horn, using horn at night, no in date photo licence, no licence
application after long ban, without prescribed eyewear, failing to stop
for police/lollipop/zebra etc - ran out of space

How does any of that alter the accuracy of what I wrote?

It doesn't - it just puts things into perspective.

On 21/04/2020 15:04, Kelly wrote:
Pamela wrote:

On 13:22 20 Apr 2020, Kelly said:

That's another thing, with so little of anybody else around, little
indiscreations that you wouldn't normally dream of making can now be
undertaken with a feeling of almost complete freedom

As a rule, cyclists need no encouragement to act indiscreetly and many do
so all the time. This is one of the reasons cyclists are so disliked, by
motorists and pedestrians alike.

Well, I am sorry to learn that is your impression but it isn't mine.
Although, it is undoubtedly true to say that some cyclists need no
encouragement to act indiscreetly and many do so all too frequently.
I think that is a good reason to dislike those cyclists who behave in
that way.

In fact, I deplore the antics of some idiots on bicycles and am
horrified by what some of the lunatics on bicycles get up to. I don't
see that as a reason, thought, to dislike each and every cyclist.

There is every chance that a good person who takes up cycling will
remain a good person, in the same way that you would expect a well
known idiot to still be one, in all probability, even if they happened
to be riding a bicycle. This is not rocket surgery, in the wise words
of a member of this flock, yet I continue to be amazed at how quick so
many drivers, in particular, are to condemn cyclists as one stereo-
typical mass.

Nice one. :-)

On 21/04/2020 13:27, TMS320 wrote:

In my original piece I was alluding to once wide tree lined avenues of
elegant town houses.


Too much Oliver! watching. :O)

I live in Edinburgh (well on the outskirts now: Balerno) a lot of the
'new town' (the 'old town was a completely different kettle of fish
where they threw their 'waste' out the window onto the VERY narrow
street below)could be described like that. It would be great to think
of them as being frequented by one 'Hansom' an hour and the rest of the
time as "wide tree lined avenues of elegant town houses". However I am
fairly sure they had problems with horses too.

I quite agree that towns (old ones anyway new ones like Livingston
have urban clearways, motorways, the lot running through them so much so
that pedestrians are sidelined into underpasses and paths that take the
'scenic route' to anywhere) were never designed for motor vehicles but
lets not look back with rose tinted specs and believe the past didn't
have problems too.

On 22/04/2020 07:27, soup wrote:
On 21/04/2020 13:27, TMS320 wrote:

In my original piece I was alluding to once wide tree lined avenues
of elegant town houses.

Too much Oliver! watching. :O)

I live in Edinburgh (well on the outskirts now: Balerno) a lot of
the 'new town' (the 'old town was a completely different kettle of
fish where they threw their 'waste' out the window onto the VERY
narrow street below)could be described like that. It would be great
to think of them as being frequented by one 'Hansom' an hour and the
rest of the time as "wide tree lined avenues of elegant town
houses". However I am fairly sure they had problems with horses
too.

My piece was about the opportunity of being able to travel along those
old roads and observe the physical remains. Yes, I think it was
reasonable to use the word 'decline'. Because it clearly has.

I quite agree that towns (old ones anyway new ones like Livingston
have urban clearways, motorways, the lot running through them so much
so that pedestrians are sidelined into underpasses and paths that
take the 'scenic route' to anywhere) were never designed for motor
vehicles

Quite so.

but lets not look back with rose tinted specs and believe
the past didn't have problems too.

Who is doing that?