Weights of my bikes

On 5/22/2021 8:54 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 2:32:06 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 6:50:05 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-7, Tosspot wrote:
On 18/05/2021 00:37, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 19:53:11 +0100, Ade
wrote:

On 17/05/2021 18:39, Tom Kunich wrote:
Colnago CLX3.0 bare - 15.8 lbs Lemond Zurich bare - 20.3 lbs
Douglas Vector with seatpack. - 17.4 Douglas Ti with water bottle
and seat pack. - 20.3 lbs. Eddy Merckx with bottle half full and
heavy seatpack - 20.8

My 2018 Trek Emonda bare was 17.5 lbs.

As you can see, aluminum bikes do not necessary have a weight
penalty. Nor are titanium bikes particularly light.

I would say that since about 2001 that most decent bikes couldn't
be declared as "heavy". The complete Look KG585 which was a light
climbing bike was 16 lbs even bare.


Making bikes light is one thing, making them last is another.

My last allow bike was a Specialised Allez. The frame was light
enough, about 1.5KG (3 lbs in old speak). I weighed it when I
stripped it for return, it had cracked due to fatigue. It was a
thing of beauty, much nicer than the horrid oversized carbon frame
they replaced it with.

My previous alloy Trek failed at about the same distance, ~10,000
miles.

I thought the benefit of titanium was that like steel it had a
fatigue limit, meaning it wouldn't inevitably eventually fatigue
like aluminium. I know aluminium bikes can be made so the fatigue
failure takes a long time, but I suspect this adds weight. So I
bought a cheap heavy gravel type bike, it is real heavy, but
surprisingly fun to ride.

Given that the CDC reports that 70.2% of U.S. adults are overweight
or obese the frantic search for a lighter bicycle seems rather
futile.
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-inf...ity#definition

Not really, it's easier to push up a hill :-)
John is probably so overweight that he can't get up from the sofa without a lift.

Overweight is NOT a measurement. You can be overweight with just 5 lbs above your ideal weight for your body type. I am 6'4" and have a slender body type and I have an ideal weight of 180 lbs. So my 190 lbs. puts me overweight even though a "normal" body type has an ideal body weight of 185-190.

Gross Obesity is and it is only 1 in 7 Americans and most of those are Hispanics.
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
Above link lists rates of obesity in the USA. Strangely the article is dated Feb 2021 but is using 2017-18 for its data. Not sure why its using data that is three years old now.

"most of those are Hispanics." Tom, are you trying to cozy up to Trump by explicitly insulting Hispanics? He is known for that lovable trait.

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/adult/defining.html
In the above link "obesity" is split into three categories. If your Body Mass Index is 40 or above you are in the "severe" category. I guess we can equate Gross Obesity to Severe Obesity. At your 76 inch height, you would need to be 328 pounds to qualify as 40 BMI.

Following is from the first link above.
"Non-Hispanic Black adults (49.6%) had the highest age-adjusted prevalence of obesity, followed by Hispanic adults (44.8%), non-Hispanic White adults (42.2%) and non-Hispanic Asian adults (17.4%)."

Following quote below is also from the first link above. If "severe obesity" was 9.2% in 2017-18. Then your statement of "Gross Obesity is and it is only 1 in 7 Americans and most of those are Hispanics." would imply 1 in 7 is 14.3% and that is 5% higher than reality. But that is a fact and must be thrown away because its the truth. 18% of USA population is Hispanic. 1 in 5 roughly. "most of those are Hispanics" means at least 50% of the severe obesity is from Hispanics. So they account for 7.15% of the total. They are only 18% of the population, so if we divide your 7.15% by 18%, we get 39.72% of the total USA Hispanic population must be severely obese, BMI of 40. You are overestimating and exaggerating on many different numbers. Please try to get some of the facts correct before making your outlandish comments.
"From 1999–2000 through 2017–2018, the prevalence of obesity increased from 30.5% to 42.4%, and the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7% to 9.2%."

Of course BMI is not a great scale for determining obesity or evaluating weight healthiness. A short, stocky, muscular man could easily be considered obese if only using BMI.

So you interpret "overweight" just as I did as if you somehow are contradicting me? Perhaps you can explain what "overweight" means in this la-la land of yours?



[raises hand] Fatal body mass!

https://nypost.com/2021/05/19/russia...with-her-butt/

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Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 7:28:41 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/22/2021 8:54 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 2:32:06 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 6:50:05 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-7, Tosspot wrote:
On 18/05/2021 00:37, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 19:53:11 +0100, Ade
wrote:

On 17/05/2021 18:39, Tom Kunich wrote:
Colnago CLX3.0 bare - 15.8 lbs Lemond Zurich bare - 20.3 lbs
Douglas Vector with seatpack. - 17.4 Douglas Ti with water bottle
and seat pack. - 20.3 lbs. Eddy Merckx with bottle half full and
heavy seatpack - 20.8

My 2018 Trek Emonda bare was 17.5 lbs.

As you can see, aluminum bikes do not necessary have a weight
penalty. Nor are titanium bikes particularly light.

I would say that since about 2001 that most decent bikes couldn't
be declared as "heavy". The complete Look KG585 which was a light
climbing bike was 16 lbs even bare.


Making bikes light is one thing, making them last is another.

My last allow bike was a Specialised Allez. The frame was light
enough, about 1.5KG (3 lbs in old speak). I weighed it when I
stripped it for return, it had cracked due to fatigue. It was a
thing of beauty, much nicer than the horrid oversized carbon frame
they replaced it with.

My previous alloy Trek failed at about the same distance, ~10,000
miles.

I thought the benefit of titanium was that like steel it had a
fatigue limit, meaning it wouldn't inevitably eventually fatigue
like aluminium. I know aluminium bikes can be made so the fatigue
failure takes a long time, but I suspect this adds weight. So I
bought a cheap heavy gravel type bike, it is real heavy, but
surprisingly fun to ride.

Given that the CDC reports that 70.2% of U.S. adults are overweight
or obese the frantic search for a lighter bicycle seems rather
futile.
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-inf...ity#definition

Not really, it's easier to push up a hill :-)
John is probably so overweight that he can't get up from the sofa without a lift.

Overweight is NOT a measurement. You can be overweight with just 5 lbs above your ideal weight for your body type. I am 6'4" and have a slender body type and I have an ideal weight of 180 lbs. So my 190 lbs. puts me overweight even though a "normal" body type has an ideal body weight of 185-190.

Gross Obesity is and it is only 1 in 7 Americans and most of those are Hispanics.
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
Above link lists rates of obesity in the USA. Strangely the article is dated Feb 2021 but is using 2017-18 for its data. Not sure why its using data that is three years old now.

"most of those are Hispanics." Tom, are you trying to cozy up to Trump by explicitly insulting Hispanics? He is known for that lovable trait.

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/adult/defining.html
In the above link "obesity" is split into three categories. If your Body Mass Index is 40 or above you are in the "severe" category. I guess we can equate Gross Obesity to Severe Obesity. At your 76 inch height, you would need to be 328 pounds to qualify as 40 BMI.

Following is from the first link above.
"Non-Hispanic Black adults (49.6%) had the highest age-adjusted prevalence of obesity, followed by Hispanic adults (44.8%), non-Hispanic White adults (42.2%) and non-Hispanic Asian adults (17.4%)."

Following quote below is also from the first link above. If "severe obesity" was 9.2% in 2017-18. Then your statement of "Gross Obesity is and it is only 1 in 7 Americans and most of those are Hispanics." would imply 1 in 7 is 14.3% and that is 5% higher than reality. But that is a fact and must be thrown away because its the truth. 18% of USA population is Hispanic. 1 in 5 roughly. "most of those are Hispanics" means at least 50% of the severe obesity is from Hispanics. So they account for 7.15% of the total. They are only 18% of the population, so if we divide your 7.15% by 18%, we get 39.72% of the total USA Hispanic population must be severely obese, BMI of 40. You are overestimating and exaggerating on many different numbers. Please try to get some of the facts correct before making your outlandish comments.
"From 1999–2000 through 2017–2018, the prevalence of obesity increased from 30.5% to 42.4%, and the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7% to 9.2%."

Of course BMI is not a great scale for determining obesity or evaluating weight healthiness. A short, stocky, muscular man could easily be considered obese if only using BMI.

So you interpret "overweight" just as I did as if you somehow are contradicting me? Perhaps you can explain what "overweight" means in this la-la land of yours?

[raises hand] Fatal body mass!

https://nypost.com/2021/05/19/russia...with-her-butt/

When I was commonly riding BART you could see these 1 out of 7 grossly obese people that would take up TWO seats on BART and they could not stand and support their own weight for any length of time so people would get up and allow them to take up all of that room. Don't you think that might give them a que that they are killing themselves softly with ice cream?

On Sat, 22 May 2021 00:13:21 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 5:41:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 19 May 2021 14:17:24 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
My current washing machine is a 80s Maytag I inherited from great
aunt, may she rest in peace. It still works great.
In the 1980's, Maytag made great appliances. However, quality began
to deteriorate starting in the 1990's culminating with the fire prone
Neptune washing machine. Under Whirlpool after 2006, Maytag became
just another brand.

Learn something new every day. I did not know Whirlpool bought Maytag in 2006. Whirlpool also owns Amana too. Maytag bought Amana in 2002.

Brands owned by Maytag (17):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maytag#Owned_brands

Brands owned by Whirlpool (26):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whirlpool_Corporation#Major_brands

There are probably some duplicates and overlap due to Whirlpool owning
Maytag. Also, there are other brands that are licensed to Whirlpool
or are exclusive to big box store vendors.

Hint: You can't buy quality at any price.
--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 22 mei 2021 om 11:53:14 UTC+2 schreef :
On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 4:28:07 AM UTC-5, wrote:
Op zaterdag 22 mei 2021 om 10:21:30 UTC+2 schreef :
On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 4:32:12 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Five visits a year and 2 loads per visit?????? Never understood the
concept of a laundromat. Sitting there waiting the wash/dry to
finish.....We have no laundromats here. Everyone has a washer and
most of them also a dryer.

Lou

Its been almost 30 years since I was in Netherlands. August 1992. I do
not recall how I did laundry while riding through Netherlands. Whether
I found a laundromat or the hostels I stayed in had washing machines.
Or I just waited, used dirty clothes until I got down to Belgium. On
the summer of bicycling through Europe in 1992 I do not recall ever
washing clothes by hand in the sink. I did go to a few laundromats
over the summer. I recall a very pleasant laundromat in a city outside
Venice where I met a nice girl and had an enjoyable supper with her in
a restaurant. Took the commuter train to Venice the next day for
touring. I do remember riding on the trails in Netherlands. At times I
did not like the trails because they separated from the roads on my
map and I wondered if I was going to the right destination because I
could not see the road on my map and was just riding blind and hoping
I was going to end up where I wanted to.
In tourist locations like hostel, B&B holiday apartments etc. they
often offer the use of a washing machine and a dryer. In hotels they
have a washing service. In a family household however a washing machine
and a dryer is considered a necessity of life. I can't imagine a family
household with a couple of kids using a laundromat. If a washing
machine breaks there is a panic and it has to be repaired or replaced
within a couple of days otherwise the whole system breaks down. We have
dry cleaners though but laundromats nah.

Lou
Renting, living must be different Netherlands compared to USA. As
mentioned, big apartment buildings or buildings exclusively dedicated to
apartments only, have on site washers and dryers. But in the USA we also
have many houses that have been converted to rental units. Or houses
split into sections, upstairs and downstairs. That are rented out to two
different tenants. And none of these types of rentals would have laundry
machines in the building provided by the owner. The owner of the
building does not provide a free/coin washer to use. I own a house I am
offering for rental. I do provide a refrigerator and stove in the
kitchen but I am not providing a washer for the rental. This scenario is
very common in the USA. These are not furnished apartments, houses
either. You bring your own furniture. So in the USA we have many renters
who do not have easy access to laundry machines and MUST go to a
laundromat to clean clothes.

I spent 1.5 years renting an apartment during college. The building did
not have on site washers. You found a laundromat for clothes washing.
The next apartment I had in this college town did have on site washers for the units.

For the record everyone buys his own washing machine and dryer, even if
they rent a house or apartment. Furnished apartments and houses are also
very rare here. We like to own our stuff. A typica; washing machine and
dryer is 60*60 cm and you can pu the dryer on top of the washing machine
so you only need a floorspace of 0.36 m^2, so the lack of floorspace can't be the reason.

Lou


In North America, the hard part is finding access to hot and cold water
lines and a drain for the washer, and the 240 V, 40 A outlet, and a
discharge vent for the dryer. The actual space is less of an issue.

On 5/21/2021 11:11 PM, wrote:


I dispute it!!!!!!! I'm not sure what I'm disputing, but that doesn't really matter.

:-) THAT's the r.b.tech spirit!


--
- Frank Krygowski

On 5/21/2021 11:20 PM, wrote:

Motorcycle riders in California who get a flat, can repair it on the side of the road? And then air the tire up to continue on their way. I've never given much thought to punctured tires on motorcycles. With cars you just carry a whole inflated tire in the trunk (or under the bed if a pickup truck) and install the new unpunctured tire. But motorcycles must be different with flats. They can't carry a spare wheel in case of a flat. Do motorcyclists today carry those tubeless tire patch plugs and insert them into the hole in the tire? And then carry an inflator that plugs into the 12 Volt outlet? How did motorcyclists deal with flats long ago?

I'm knocking on wood while typing this, but: I've never gotten a flat
while riding a motorcycle.

However, a motorcycle discussion group I frequent has had guys talk
about fixing roadside flats. And my antique motorcycle came with a very
complete tool kit that included tire irons and everything required to
remove the wheel for work.

I know it's no picnic. One of the times I was replacing a worn out rear
tire - at home, where I have all sorts of tools - I eventually gave up
and took it to a shop to have the new one mounted.

Back in the days when I did long mileage on a motorcycle, I carried a
small sized pressurized can of Fix-A-Flat stuff. Again, I luckily never
actually needed to test it.

These days, I guess I'd call Triple A.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 5/22/2021 10:45 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:

When I was commonly riding BART you could see these 1 out of 7 grossly obese people that would take up TWO seats on BART and they could not stand and support their own weight for any length of time so people would get up and allow them to take up all of that room. Don't you think that might give them a que that they are killing themselves softly with ice cream?

I once worked with a guy like that. He was technically brilliant,
extremely generous and helpful, a good administrator and a really nice
guy. But yes, morbidly obese. It did kill him.

I can only assume that it's a very difficult problem for a person to solve.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 5/22/2021 12:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/22/2021 10:45 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:

When I was commonly riding BART you could see these 1 out
of 7 grossly obese people that would take up TWO seats on
BART and they could not stand and support their own weight
for any length of time so people would get up and allow
them to take up all of that room. Don't you think that
might give them a que that they are killing themselves
softly with ice cream?

I once worked with a guy like that. He was technically
brilliant, extremely generous and helpful, a good
administrator and a really nice guy. But yes, morbidly
obese. It did kill him.

I can only assume that it's a very difficult problem for a
person to solve.


A quip from the late 1800s, "You build your tomb with your
teeth."

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 5/21/2021 9:47 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 19:15:21 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 5/21/2021 6:26 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

snip

Frank provided the correct number. You didn't.

I still suspect that you are intentionally supplying wrong
information, answers and numbers. Nobody could make so many mistakes
by accident. It has to be intentional, possibly to attact attention.

It's really hard to know if he's simply clueless or just pushing
people's buttons by intentionally promulgating such a huge quantity of
false information.

Some people "when they ain't got nothing going for them" do exhibit
certain irrational tendencies :-)


We saw that in the U.S. on January 6th.

On 5/22/2021 10:02 AM, Ralph Barone wrote:

snip

In North America, the hard part is finding access to hot and cold water
lines and a drain for the washer, and the 240 V, 40 A outlet, and a
discharge vent for the dryer. The actual space is less of an issue.

30A outlet actually. A dryer takes 25-26A at 240V. In many areas of the
country, with piped-in natural gas, gas dryers are the norm since gas
costs less than electricity, though the gas dryers are typically $100
more expensive.

I don't know if any washers sold in the U.S. heat the water, while in
Europe that's the norm.