No Winner--Fixing the Tour

On Aug 2, 1:31 am, "Steven L. Sheffield"
wrote:
On 08/01/2007 05:23 AM, in article
. com, "Bill C"

wrote:
Once again we have a steaming pile of fertilizer being provided by
the Guardian.
Then again the Guardian probably had no problem with the doping done
for the glory of Socialism. Fits their world mission.

3 of the last 4 presidents of the United States were daily readers of the
Guardian.

I'll let you guess which idiot does not.

--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot flahute dot com [foreword] slash

They should read it. For the same reason I get the right wing nutcase
updates. You need to know what they are up too.
You are aware that the Guardian's senior editor freely admits that
they are there to advance a world view, not provide journalism? I had
a series of discussions with them when they injected themselves into
our election with Operation Clark County. At least they are honest
about the fact that they are a propaganda outlet, and proud of it. I
respect them for that, but take anything they print as just that.
Bill C

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:23:41 -0700, Howard Kveck
wrote:

In article ,
RonSonic wrote:

In those systems, the state acts as a substitute for western commercialism.
Foteringham said that national teams were only part of a possible solution.
I think his point that national teams would make it more difficult (albeit,
not impossible) logisticaly to dope is a good one.

Oh, bull****. If logistics were that big a hurdle jazz musicians would've had
to cancel European tours.

Exactly. The notion that national teams would make it *logistically harder* to
dope is absurd.

Example: years ago, the Heartbreakers (the Johnny Thunders one, not the Tom Petty
one) were tired of staying in London but they couldn't afford to fly back to the US.
So they decided to get deported. After a rough sea crossing (which didn't help make
them appear any less unsteady than normal) after a gig in Amsterdam, they got to the
Customs station and Thunders fell over and dropped his dope. Walter Lure busied
himself asking Customs officers for a light for the enormous spliff he had while
Jerry Nolan guzzled whisky out of the bottle. Their road manager shrugged and said,
"They're musicians" - the Customs guy said, "Oh - that's alright then" and waved 'em
through. They never batted an eye at the carnage (a "four man synchronized substance
abuse team" as the book said). Customs may be different now but I seriously doubt
that being with a national team rather than a trade team would make the slightest
difference to the logistics of sneaking dope around.

Don't get enough Johnny Thunder / Dolls stories these days. Have you seen the
Killer Kane movie, New York Doll? An incredibly strange path.

Ron

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 05:27:12 -0700, Bill C wrote:

On Aug 2, 1:31 am, "Steven L. Sheffield"
wrote:
On 08/01/2007 05:23 AM, in article
. com, "Bill C"

wrote:
Once again we have a steaming pile of fertilizer being provided by
the Guardian.
Then again the Guardian probably had no problem with the doping done
for the glory of Socialism. Fits their world mission.

3 of the last 4 presidents of the United States were daily readers of the
Guardian.

I'll let you guess which idiot does not.

--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot flahute dot com [foreword] slash

They should read it. For the same reason I get the right wing nutcase
updates. You need to know what they are up too.
You are aware that the Guardian's senior editor freely admits that
they are there to advance a world view, not provide journalism? I had
a series of discussions with them when they injected themselves into
our election with Operation Clark County. At least they are honest
about the fact that they are a propaganda outlet, and proud of it. I
respect them for that, but take anything they print as just that.

The funniest part of the Clark Co. letters is what it said about the letter
writers and their motivation. My faves were the ones that went along the lines
of "because of Bush you look like the Tony Martins of the world." Which to the
tiny minority of Americans who knew who Tony was seemed just fine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)

Ron

Donald Munro wrote:
Come to think of it, there may be something to this national teams tour.
Just think of the fun we'd have if there was a Russian team, a Georgian
team, a Kazakh team and a Belarussian team. The team tactics could be
real fun involving polonium in the water bottles and RPG's in the top
tube. The peloton might even literally explode when the attacks occur.

William Asher wrote:
What about a sectarian team tour? Sunnis, Shias, Catholics, Mormons,
Pentacostals, Sufis, Hindus, Bhuddists, Raelians, Scientologists,
Aetheists, Branch Davidians, Secular Nihilists, all vying to show their
beliefs lead them to be strongest, or that their god(s) were strongest on
that day. It makes sense because you know the Mormon team would be clean
and they would be the new "Millar line."

So is the Mennonite team clean too, or do they have specialized
testosterone, beer and Jack Daniels cocktails ?

In article ,
RonSonic wrote:

Don't get enough Johnny Thunder / Dolls stories these days. Have you seen
the Killer Kane movie, New York Doll? An incredibly strange path.

Yeah, I did [1] and it is a good one. If you like the Dolls or any of the stuff
from that era, you could do far worse than read "Trash" - lots of good (and crazy)
stories.

[1] http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...208998e93cc?hl

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:51:04 -0700, Howard Kveck
wrote:

In article ,
RonSonic wrote:

Don't get enough Johnny Thunder / Dolls stories these days. Have you seen
the Killer Kane movie, New York Doll? An incredibly strange path.

Yeah, I did [1] and it is a good one. If you like the Dolls or any of the stuff
from that era, you could do far worse than read "Trash" - lots of good (and crazy)
stories.

[1] http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...208998e93cc?hl

Okay, so you told me about it. Look, I remember the Dolls from the day and like
most people who can say that seem to have a few gaps in the memory mesh.
Actually I was just a bit young for their heyday (to be fair, that was measured
in weeks) but they sure as hell influenced my torn-fishnet post-glam thing a bit
later in the 70s.

Ron

In article ,
RonSonic wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:51:04 -0700, Howard Kveck
wrote:

In article ,
RonSonic wrote:

Don't get enough Johnny Thunder / Dolls stories these days. Have you seen
the Killer Kane movie, New York Doll? An incredibly strange path.

Yeah, I did [1] and it is a good one. If you like the Dolls or any of the
stuff from that era, you could do far worse than read "Trash" - lots of good
(and crazy) stories.

[1] http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...208998e93cc?hl

Okay, so you told me about it. Look, I remember the Dolls from the day and
like most people who can say that seem to have a few gaps in the memory mesh.

I knew about them back then too. Unless you were in NYC, it was pretty hard info
to come by. Their label didn't have a clue what to do with 'em (and they sure didn't
help much".

Actually I was just a bit young for their heyday (to be fair, that was
measured in weeks) but they sure as hell influenced my torn-fishnet post-glam
thing a bit later in the 70s.

They were pretty far ahead of their time, no doubt. Very influential, though -
from both a musical and style standpoint.

By the way, they have a new record out that's pretty good.

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

On Aug 1, 2:52 pm, Dan Connelly
wrote:
Bill C wrote:
I have no idea what would work for golf though the news is about
steroids. The only things that appeal to me about golf are beer, golf
carts, and possibly combining the game with skeet shooting.
Bill C

Beta blockers for calm and focus, growth hormone for vision,
steroids for strength, I'd expect.

Don't forget pot, for the tedium.