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Rethinking getting Surly Long Haul Trucker frame? ... no kickstand???
On Nov 17, 4:07*am, Chalo wrote:
Chip C wrote: Over and above the 3 year thing, where is the shop getting the no-kickstand rule? I sure don't see that anywhere on Surly's site. D'oh. Asking improves one's eyesite. http://surlybikes.com/info_hole/spew..._haul_truckers So get a bike with a kickstand plate already. *I understand the Soma Saga has one and costs about the same as the LHT. Chalo Or maybe just get the exact kickstand that Surly recommends in the blurb that the OP's bike shop seems to think prohibits kickstands. Chip |
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Rethinking getting Surly Long Haul Trucker frame? ... no kickstand???
Chip C wrote:
Chalo wrote: Chip C wrote: Over and above the 3 year thing, where is the shop getting the no-kickstand rule? I sure don't see that anywhere on Surly's site. D'oh. Asking improves one's eyesite. http://surlybikes.com/info_hole/spew..._haul_truckers So get a bike with a kickstand plate already. I understand the Soma Saga has one and costs about the same as the LHT. Or maybe just get the exact kickstand that Surly recommends in the blurb that the OP's bike shop seems to think prohibits kickstands. Maybe, but the two-leg Pletscher I have used on several bikes clamps onto the frame in the same frame-fuxxoring way as normal one--leg sidestands. I use mine only on bikes that have a kickstand plate. I put a Hebie-style Y-shaped kickstand on my wife's trailer tow bike, and after just a few months it has misshapen and made a mess of the hefty hi-ten steel stays it's mounted to. The way kickstands clamp on, other than by way of a kickstand plate, is ugly and destructive. I would most definitely not despoil a nice new frame of decent quality by crushing it with a kickstand. Chalo |
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Rethinking getting Surly Long Haul Trucker frame? ... no kickstand???
KNOW the ski poles used by some hikers ? picture one either side of
the seat post, on pivots. then telescopes down at two angles either side, supporting load from the top not bottom. |
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Rethinking getting Surly Long Haul Trucker frame? ... no kickstand???
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 08:03:19 -0800 (PST), kolldata
wrote: KNOW the ski poles used by some hikers ? picture one either side of the seat post, on pivots. then telescopes down at two angles either side, supporting load from the top not bottom. I haven't seen that on bicycles but the small motorcycles used to carry cargo here commonly use a stand built exactly that way that attaches to the cargo rack on the back of the bike. -- John B. |
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Rethinking getting Surly Long Haul Trucker frame? ... no kickstand???
On Nov 18, 1:30*pm, Chip C wrote:
On Nov 17, 4:07*am, Chalo wrote: Chip C wrote: Over and above the 3 year thing, where is the shop getting the no-kickstand rule? I sure don't see that anywhere on Surly's site. D'oh. Asking improves one's eyesite. http://surlybikes.com/info_hole/spew..._haul_truckers So get a bike with a kickstand plate already. *I understand the Soma Saga has one and costs about the same as the LHT. Chalo Or maybe just get the exact kickstand that Surly recommends in the blurb that the OP's bike shop seems to think prohibits kickstands. Chip From the link: the chainstay tube walls are not super thick. You can crush them or flex them to death. I bet that is why they only have a 3 year warranty. |
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Rethinking getting Surly Long Haul Trucker frame? ... no kickstand???
On Nov 19, 4:31*pm, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 08:03:19 -0800 (PST), kolldata wrote: KNOW *the ski poles used by some hikers ? picture one either side of the seat post, on pivots. then telescopes down at two angles either side, supporting load from the top not bottom. I haven't seen that on bicycles but the small motorcycles used to carry cargo here commonly use a stand built exactly that way that attaches to the cargo rack on the back of the bike. -- John B. where is 'here' ? gotta pcture ? what manufacture motorcyc;es ? and why not bicycles ? load weight suggests the high mount position or you can carry your own tree or guardrail, block wall.... |
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Rethinking getting Surly Long Haul Trucker frame? ... no kickstand???
WE CAN USE A PHOTO FOR THE PIVOT MECHANISM.
Ahead in a gloom of moving red lights-like the morphing sequence in 2001 the film-was a semi with gray shapes. creeping up on it at slight;ly less than the speed of light it was a trailer stacked with gray propane cylinders like on the cheapo RVs as i passed it, the sport dude in the next lane over turned out iunto the exit throwing a cigarette butt into the trucks path. phoooooommmmmmmm 3PM into LA county, 7PM out. I missed the CHP dragging a biker of the 5 line stopped cars by 1/4 mile some days right ? |
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Centerstand? (was: Rethinking getting Surly Long Haul Trucker frame?)
On 10/13/2011 9:04 AM, landotter wrote:
On Oct 13, 3:35 am, wrote: David Scheidt wrote: You want a kickstand, and are therefore insufficently cool to buy an overpriced mass-produced frame from the hipster marketing machine of QBP. Okay, I'll bite. What other touring geometry frameset with a full complement of brazeons can you buy new for less than $400? Chalo List on the Soma Saga is the same as the Surly. I like Surlys a lot, but for a touring rig, the kickstand plate on the Soma would win me over. Plus, it has panels. Wonder why touring bicycles do not come equipped with centerstands? -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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Centerstand? (was: Rethinking getting Surly Long Haul Trucker frame?)
T∅m Sherm∀n wrote:
Wonder why touring bicycles do not come equipped with centerstands? Because there are more people likely to be turned off by the added cost, weight, or mere presence of a stand than there are who consider it to be a worthy feature? This is America, T∅m. Automatic transmissions, "warm white" (non- white) CFLs, and department store HAUTL* bikes prevail in the marketplace, regardless of virtue or lack thereof. Many of us are able to develop, for lack of a better word, "refined" tastes without any corresponding improvement in overall judgment. Thus we have bike enthusiasts who reflexively avoid useful items like kickstands, fenders, reflectors and spoke protectors that could save them a passel of hassle. Chalo * Hideous Abomination Unto The Lord. Acronym to be used freely with or without attribution. |
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Centerstand? (was: Rethinking getting Surly Long Haul Trucker frame?)
INTERVIEWING KAYAKERS on San Juan Island-primo NA yak venue-we find a
hi percentage of yakkers are displeased with their yaks as freakking them out due to excessive responsiveness. ER, or lack of primary stability is a touted west coast yak design trait with the great lakes designs more straight line performance than twitchy response. Yawl may have seen somehting abt the tsunami rangers ? Well, the freaked folk were sold west coast boat designs by expert west coast yakkers aka tsunami ranger types. We recently applauded the mainstream switch from TdF to Touring and now Silk Road ? Beyond that, the stand or stand type fits into optional extras figured by you know who. Walmart does this. There are products TRAITED for Wal in Baton Rouge or Missoula that are not onh hand in Moriches. Figure the extra cost of having optional extras on hand. Jeeez, forget the fishing boat. The factory types chisel on bars and pedal shafts. |
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