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Mrvongole wrote:
My LBS hated me 'cuz I went through more tires than anyone else, but I wouldn't buy his high-zoot tires. I'd only buy his $25 Avocet Fasgrip TT Tho' one must wonder, if you go through "more" tires @ $25 per. vs. purchasing a better quality tire which would "possibly" last longer at $50 per...well, you do the math. This is true, but Avocets are known for lasting *longer* than most others. Matt O. |
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:38:39 +0000, Mrvongole wrote:
My LBS hated me 'cuz I went through more tires than anyone else, but I wouldn't buy his high-zoot tires. I'd only buy his $25 Avocet Fasgrip TT Tho' one must wonder, if you go through "more" tires @ $25 per. vs. purchasing a better quality tire which would "possibly" last longer at $50 per... The high-zoot tires will not last longer. Most don't last as long as the Avocet. The LBS has a vested interest in their customers spending more and getting less -- especially if they do it happily. -- David L. Johnson __o | You will say Christ saith this and the apostles say this; but _`\(,_ | what canst thou say? -- George Fox. (_)/ (_) | |
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Ken wrote in message ...
(Mrvongole) wrote in : Tho' one must wonder, if you go through "more" tires @ $25 per. vs. purchasing a better quality tire which would "possibly" last longer at $50 per Which $50 tires last twice as long as $25 tires? Most $50 tires are lighter weight and wear out more quickly than $25 tires. Dear Ken, These are a bit heavier and would be hard to wear out by pedalling: http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/...ZX&appId=63780 The amount of rubber and carcass that you get for $50 here kind of puts our bicycle-tire pricing in perspective. Carl Fogel |
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The high-zoot tires will not last longer. Most don't last as long as the Avocet. The LBS has a vested interest in their customers spending more and getting less -- especially if they do it hap Perhaps this Spring I'll give a set of the "Low-Zoot" Avocets a spin just for kicks. I'm currently on Conti Grand Prix 4 Seasons, which have really worked well for me in terms of durability. |
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The high-zoot tires will not last longer. Most don't last as long as the Avocet. The LBS has a vested interest in their customers spending more and getting less -- especially if they do it hap Perhaps this Spring I'll give a set of the "Low-Zoot" Avocets a spin just for kicks. I'm currently on Conti Grand Prix 4 Seasons, which have really worked well for me in terms of durability. |
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Mrvongole wrote:
Perhaps this Spring I'll give a set of the "Low-Zoot" Avocets a spin just for kicks. I'm currently on Conti Grand Prix 4 Seasons, which have really worked well for me in terms of durability. How many miles have you gotten out of them? Matt O. |
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Mrvongole wrote:
Perhaps this Spring I'll give a set of the "Low-Zoot" Avocets a spin just for kicks. I'm currently on Conti Grand Prix 4 Seasons, which have really worked well for me in terms of durability. How many miles have you gotten out of them? Matt O. |
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Tim McNamara wrote in
: "psycholist" writes: rubber A few years ago, some tire manufacturers decided to market colored tires and used silica instead of carbon black, as this permitted the use of dyes to color the rubber. This resulted also in rubber that is a little more stretchable and flexible, with results in theoretically lower rolling resistance. They sold millions of the things. The downside is that they wear much more rapidly and tend to have poor wet traction. Avocet decided to fight back by ramping up the marketing spin of their carbon-based rubber compound, which is excellent and has worked well for years. Michelin has followed this lead to an extent, probably in part because there has been an extensive public discussion of the deficiencies of slica-based rubbers. Tim- I have heard a lot of talk about this, but I haven't seen much in the way of evidence. I've heard about a test by a german bike magazine that supposedly revealed the superiority of carbon rubber, but I;ve never seen it. Some searching turned up this: http://www.dk-content.de/tour/pdf-ar...s/breitreifen_ 0703.pdf http://tinyurl.com/36fam I can't read german, but a little work with Google translator doesn't seem to show that superiority. (though I don't know exactly what 'dual' or 'single' compounds are.) -Owen |
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Tim McNamara wrote in
: "psycholist" writes: rubber A few years ago, some tire manufacturers decided to market colored tires and used silica instead of carbon black, as this permitted the use of dyes to color the rubber. This resulted also in rubber that is a little more stretchable and flexible, with results in theoretically lower rolling resistance. They sold millions of the things. The downside is that they wear much more rapidly and tend to have poor wet traction. Avocet decided to fight back by ramping up the marketing spin of their carbon-based rubber compound, which is excellent and has worked well for years. Michelin has followed this lead to an extent, probably in part because there has been an extensive public discussion of the deficiencies of slica-based rubbers. Tim- I have heard a lot of talk about this, but I haven't seen much in the way of evidence. I've heard about a test by a german bike magazine that supposedly revealed the superiority of carbon rubber, but I;ve never seen it. Some searching turned up this: http://www.dk-content.de/tour/pdf-ar...s/breitreifen_ 0703.pdf http://tinyurl.com/36fam I can't read german, but a little work with Google translator doesn't seem to show that superiority. (though I don't know exactly what 'dual' or 'single' compounds are.) -Owen |
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Owen Pope wrote:
I have heard a lot of talk about this, but I haven't seen much in the way of evidence. I've heard about a test by a german bike magazine that supposedly revealed the superiority of carbon rubber, but I;ve never seen it. Some searching turned up this: http://www.dk-content.de/tour/pdf-ar...s/breitreifen_ 0703.pdf http://tinyurl.com/36fam I can't read german, but a little work with Google translator doesn't seem to show that superiority. (though I don't know exactly what 'dual' or 'single' compounds are.) The test in "Tour" deals with 700x25 tires, advantages/disadvantages over 700x23 and 700x20 tires. Not a single word about carbon black, I'm afraid. Kjell Arne -- http://www.brumunddal-sk.idrett.no/ Remove your clothes if you want to answer by e-mail! |
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