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Old October 19th 17, 07:49 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Joerg[_2_]
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On 2017-10-19 10:49, wrote:
On Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 9:57:22 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-10-18 23:40, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 07:39:00 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 07:57:02 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-10-17 20:52, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 07:47:55 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-10-16 18:59, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 07:52:51 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-10-16 04:16, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 10:02:00 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-10-09 21:09, Tim McNamara wrote:

[...]

And a walk is inexpensive.


Not really when seen per mile. I walk about two
miles every day so that's around 700mi/year. A
pair of $30 sports shoes wears out within a year
so 4c/mile. I get more than that out of a road
bike rear tire. Sandals don't wear out that fast
for whatever reason but can't be used much in
winter.


Get rid of the shoes. The feet are self healing and
will grow to accommodate even black top pavement.

I would add, before you start you say it is
impossible, that Zola Budd set the world 5,000
metre record running barefoot. Her mile best of
4:17.57 in 1985, still stands as the British
record. Barefooted.


Oh, I could, since I already walk and bicycle with
sandals all summer long. Problem is, without any
shoes one carries the dirt into the house because you
can't switch feet at the entrance door, and that will
make the missus grumpy (rightfully so). Especially
when coming back from a dirt trail.


How primitive. The Thais, who were essentially shoeless
in years gone by solved the problem by placed a tub of
water outside the door and washed their feet before
going in the house.


So the foot fungus from the first person is spread to all
the others?

Foot fungus is very rare in places where people don't wear
shoes :-)


Nope. People walking barefoot in places where others do so as
well are the ones getting infected. The risk is usually
highest in wet areas. This is one of the reasons the US
miltary encourages soldiers to wear "shower shoes" when
taking a shower.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15864252


Do some more reading.

Candida is a strain of fungus that can cause an infection in
your skin, among other locations. In normal conditions, your
skin may host small amounts of this fungus. Problems arise when
it begins to multiply and creates an overgrowth... The
overriding conditions that encourage fungus growth is "The
fungus thrives in warm, moist, and sweaty conditions."


But those canny Thais don't wash their feet in the common
tub. what they do is dip some clean water out of the tub
and slosh it over their feet to get them clean.


That's going to help a whole lot when someone has just
stepped into a blob of gooey sap from a pine tree. When I
come home from MTB rides I often have that under my shoes.
Since they get swapped in the garage, no problem.

Strange that it doesn't seem to be a problem in actual practice
isn't it? Or, at least in all the years that I've lived in Asia
I've never seen it be a problem.

But more to the point I grew up in New England where the pine
tree was, perhaps, the most common tree and unless you actually
climbed a pine tree we never got any sap on your feet. It
doesn't just drip off the trees to cover the ground.

But maybe California pine trees are different.

Addendum: I came across this today. Apparently California is
different :-)
http://www.ehow.com/info_8691222_sti...e-needles.html
Pine needles may also be covered in a sticky substance caused by
disease and infestation, such as aphids, which are attracted to
pine trees. According to the University of California's
Department of Agriculture and Natural Resources, "Aphids are
small, soft-bodied insects with long, slender mouth parts that
they use to pierce stems, leaves, and other tender plant parts
and suck out plant fluids." In addition to causing openings in
pine trees which may cause sap to leak, the aphids themselves
emit a sticky substance called honeydew.



I came home from a long singletrack ride yesterday. The last couple
of miles are on asphalt and both tires emitted the usual
lip-smacking sounds. Had to stop before the garage, whip out the
trusty old Swiss Army knife and scrape the pine sap blobs out of
the knobbies. Just another normal day in paradise.

When helping another MTB rider fix a flat the drill here is to
never just grab a wheel with both hands without looking first.
Goat's head thorns are the main reason but also sap. Some kinds of
sap won't come off the skin with just soap and water.


Joerg, you have the weirdest riding problems. Why would you worry
about ecyclists on MTB trails or pine tar under pine trees?


I wouldn't mind much about pine sap getting on the garage floor or
occasionally on the carpet. However, I am married and my wife does.

E-bike riders are ok as long as they behave and some whippersnappers
don't use the E-portion to bomb a singletrack at 35mph or more like dirt
bikers do. I grew up in the times when gas-motorized bicycles became all
the rage. Needless to say, very soon there were competitions going one
between school mates who could soup up his so it goes fastest. Until one
of my class mates ended up under a truck and died. It's just a matter of
time until that happens with E-bikes.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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  #62  
Old October 20th 17, 02:31 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 7:01:46 PM UTC+1, Doug Landau wrote:
On Saturday, October 14, 2017 at 9:15:46 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 7:33:39 PM UTC+1, wrote:
Are you guys old enough to remember Paul Dudley White, M.D., the eminent cardiologist and father of preventive cardiology through exercise? Really cool guy who served as Eisenhower's and LBJ's cardiologist. He believed in cycling, but he thought pushing a big gear was a better than spinning. Oh well, every guy is entitled to one mistake, right?


I don't remember Dr White, but I remember Jim Fixx, the prophet of jogging. I went off him when I discovered that his idea of a gourmet meal was a hamburger. He died at 52 while out jogging. Not exactly a recommendation.



What age did his dad reach?



Good question, Doug. These things do run in families.

Andre Jute
Scenes from a Bizarre Life -- title of my forthcoming (sometime) memoirs
  #63  
Old October 20th 17, 08:23 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Bicycling & health benefits of?

On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 12:06:57 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

Per John B.:

As I told Joerg, just wash your feet :-)


I don't buy it when it comes to carpets.

Bare floors, maybe... but feet will still be damp after "Washing" and
that will affect the carpet over time.

Quotes because I strongly suspect "Washing" = "Quick rinse with clear
room-temperature water".


Well, if you have polished mahogany floors, or terrazzo, floors in
your abode and you wash your feet before you enter you won't have
problems with your carpet.

Carpets also add to the servants work load with all that vacuuming and
frequent visits by the carpet cleaning company. They will applaud you
when you get rid of them.
--
Cheers,

John B.

  #64  
Old October 20th 17, 08:26 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B.[_3_]
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Default Bicycling & health benefits of?

On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:57:27 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-10-18 23:40, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 07:39:00 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 07:57:02 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-10-17 20:52, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 07:47:55 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-10-16 18:59, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 07:52:51 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-10-16 04:16, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 10:02:00 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-10-09 21:09, Tim McNamara wrote:

[...]

And a walk is inexpensive.


Not really when seen per mile. I walk about two miles every day so
that's around 700mi/year. A pair of $30 sports shoes wears out within a
year so 4c/mile. I get more than that out of a road bike rear tire.
Sandals don't wear out that fast for whatever reason but can't be used
much in winter.


Get rid of the shoes. The feet are self healing and will grow to
accommodate even black top pavement.

I would add, before you start you say it is impossible, that Zola Budd
set the world 5,000 metre record running barefoot. Her mile best of
4:17.57 in 1985, still stands as the British record. Barefooted.


Oh, I could, since I already walk and bicycle with sandals all summer
long. Problem is, without any shoes one carries the dirt into the house
because you can't switch feet at the entrance door, and that will make
the missus grumpy (rightfully so). Especially when coming back from a
dirt trail.


How primitive. The Thais, who were essentially shoeless in years gone
by solved the problem by placed a tub of water outside the door and
washed their feet before going in the house.


So the foot fungus from the first person is spread to all the others?

Foot fungus is very rare in places where people don't wear shoes :-)


Nope. People walking barefoot in places where others do so as well are
the ones getting infected. The risk is usually highest in wet areas.
This is one of the reasons the US miltary encourages soldiers to wear
"shower shoes" when taking a shower.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15864252


Do some more reading.

Candida is a strain of fungus that can cause an infection in your
skin, among other locations. In normal conditions, your skin may host
small amounts of this fungus. Problems arise when it begins to
multiply and creates an overgrowth... The overriding conditions that
encourage fungus growth is "The fungus thrives in warm, moist, and
sweaty conditions."


But those canny Thais don't wash their feet in the common tub. what
they do is dip some clean water out of the tub and slosh it over their
feet to get them clean.


That's going to help a whole lot when someone has just stepped into a
blob of gooey sap from a pine tree. When I come home from MTB rides I
often have that under my shoes. Since they get swapped in the garage, no
problem.

Strange that it doesn't seem to be a problem in actual practice isn't
it? Or, at least in all the years that I've lived in Asia I've never
seen it be a problem.

But more to the point I grew up in New England where the pine tree
was, perhaps, the most common tree and unless you actually climbed a
pine tree we never got any sap on your feet. It doesn't just drip off
the trees to cover the ground.

But maybe California pine trees are different.


Addendum: I came across this today. Apparently California is different
:-)
http://www.ehow.com/info_8691222_sti...e-needles.html
Pine needles may also be covered in a sticky substance caused by
disease and infestation, such as aphids, which are attracted to pine
trees. According to the University of California's Department of
Agriculture and Natural Resources, "Aphids are small, soft-bodied
insects with long, slender mouth parts that they use to pierce stems,
leaves, and other tender plant parts and suck out plant fluids." In
addition to causing openings in pine trees which may cause sap to
leak, the aphids themselves emit a sticky substance called honeydew.



I came home from a long singletrack ride yesterday. The last couple of
miles are on asphalt and both tires emitted the usual lip-smacking
sounds. Had to stop before the garage, whip out the trusty old Swiss
Army knife and scrape the pine sap blobs out of the knobbies. Just
another normal day in paradise.

When helping another MTB rider fix a flat the drill here is to never
just grab a wheel with both hands without looking first. Goat's head
thorns are the main reason but also sap. Some kinds of sap won't come
off the skin with just soap and water.



Hmmm.... immigrate. No sticky pine globs of goat head thorns in many
parts of the world :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

  #65  
Old October 20th 17, 03:38 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Per Andre Jute:
I went off him when I discovered that his idea of a gourmet meal
was a hamburger. He died at 52 while out jogging. Not exactly a recommendation.


I cannot cite, but my recollection is that he was afflicted with
genetically-induced high cholesterol ("Familial Hypercholesterolemia").

My brother had it, didn't quite make it to 45.

My impression was - at least back then - that, if you've got it, you're
dead meat.
--
Pete Cresswell
  #66  
Old October 20th 17, 03:49 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Joerg[_2_]
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On 2017-10-20 00:26, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:57:27 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-10-18 23:40, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 07:39:00 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 07:57:02 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-10-17 20:52, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 07:47:55 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-10-16 18:59, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 07:52:51 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-10-16 04:16, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 10:02:00 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-10-09 21:09, Tim McNamara wrote:

[...]

And a walk is inexpensive.


Not really when seen per mile. I walk about two miles every day so
that's around 700mi/year. A pair of $30 sports shoes wears out within a
year so 4c/mile. I get more than that out of a road bike rear tire.
Sandals don't wear out that fast for whatever reason but can't be used
much in winter.


Get rid of the shoes. The feet are self healing and will grow to
accommodate even black top pavement.

I would add, before you start you say it is impossible, that Zola Budd
set the world 5,000 metre record running barefoot. Her mile best of
4:17.57 in 1985, still stands as the British record. Barefooted.


Oh, I could, since I already walk and bicycle with sandals all summer
long. Problem is, without any shoes one carries the dirt into the house
because you can't switch feet at the entrance door, and that will make
the missus grumpy (rightfully so). Especially when coming back from a
dirt trail.


How primitive. The Thais, who were essentially shoeless in years gone
by solved the problem by placed a tub of water outside the door and
washed their feet before going in the house.


So the foot fungus from the first person is spread to all the others?

Foot fungus is very rare in places where people don't wear shoes :-)


Nope. People walking barefoot in places where others do so as well are
the ones getting infected. The risk is usually highest in wet areas.
This is one of the reasons the US miltary encourages soldiers to wear
"shower shoes" when taking a shower.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15864252


Do some more reading.

Candida is a strain of fungus that can cause an infection in your
skin, among other locations. In normal conditions, your skin may host
small amounts of this fungus. Problems arise when it begins to
multiply and creates an overgrowth... The overriding conditions that
encourage fungus growth is "The fungus thrives in warm, moist, and
sweaty conditions."


But those canny Thais don't wash their feet in the common tub. what
they do is dip some clean water out of the tub and slosh it over their
feet to get them clean.


That's going to help a whole lot when someone has just stepped into a
blob of gooey sap from a pine tree. When I come home from MTB rides I
often have that under my shoes. Since they get swapped in the garage, no
problem.

Strange that it doesn't seem to be a problem in actual practice isn't
it? Or, at least in all the years that I've lived in Asia I've never
seen it be a problem.

But more to the point I grew up in New England where the pine tree
was, perhaps, the most common tree and unless you actually climbed a
pine tree we never got any sap on your feet. It doesn't just drip off
the trees to cover the ground.

But maybe California pine trees are different.

Addendum: I came across this today. Apparently California is different
:-)
http://www.ehow.com/info_8691222_sti...e-needles.html
Pine needles may also be covered in a sticky substance caused by
disease and infestation, such as aphids, which are attracted to pine
trees. According to the University of California's Department of
Agriculture and Natural Resources, "Aphids are small, soft-bodied
insects with long, slender mouth parts that they use to pierce stems,
leaves, and other tender plant parts and suck out plant fluids." In
addition to causing openings in pine trees which may cause sap to
leak, the aphids themselves emit a sticky substance called honeydew.



I came home from a long singletrack ride yesterday. The last couple of
miles are on asphalt and both tires emitted the usual lip-smacking
sounds. Had to stop before the garage, whip out the trusty old Swiss
Army knife and scrape the pine sap blobs out of the knobbies. Just
another normal day in paradise.

When helping another MTB rider fix a flat the drill here is to never
just grab a wheel with both hands without looking first. Goat's head
thorns are the main reason but also sap. Some kinds of sap won't come
off the skin with just soap and water.



Hmmm.... immigrate.



BTDT. There is always some hair in the soup, everywhere.


... No sticky pine globs of goat head thorns in many
parts of the world :-)



However, only four snakes in the US are poisonous. Then you move to
places like Australia and no goat's head thorns but just about every
snake is poisonous. Or you move to the Caribbean where there is no
winter but then cloud come up and suddenly you bike route looks like this:

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset...70_nou pscale

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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Old October 20th 17, 03:51 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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On 10/20/2017 9:38 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Andre Jute:
I went off him when I discovered that his idea of a gourmet meal
was a hamburger. He died at 52 while out jogging. Not exactly a recommendation.


I cannot cite, but my recollection is that he was afflicted with
genetically-induced high cholesterol ("Familial Hypercholesterolemia").

My brother had it, didn't quite make it to 45.

My impression was - at least back then - that, if you've got it, you're
dead meat.


The phrase 'dead meat' always reminds me of Adele Davis.
Fatally smug.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #68  
Old October 20th 17, 03:58 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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On 10/20/2017 9:49 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-10-20 00:26, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:57:27 -0700, Joerg

wrote:

On 2017-10-18 23:40, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 07:39:00 +0700, John B.

wrote:

On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 07:57:02 -0700, Joerg

wrote:

On 2017-10-17 20:52, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 07:47:55 -0700, Joerg

wrote:

On 2017-10-16 18:59, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 07:52:51 -0700, Joerg

wrote:

On 2017-10-16 04:16, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 10:02:00 -0700, Joerg

wrote:

On 2017-10-09 21:09, Tim McNamara wrote:

[...]

And a walk is inexpensive.


Not really when seen per mile. I walk about two
miles every day so
that's around 700mi/year. A pair of $30 sports
shoes wears out within a
year so 4c/mile. I get more than that out of a
road bike rear tire.
Sandals don't wear out that fast for whatever
reason but can't be used
much in winter.


Get rid of the shoes. The feet are self healing
and will grow to
accommodate even black top pavement.

I would add, before you start you say it is
impossible, that Zola Budd
set the world 5,000 metre record running
barefoot. Her mile best of
4:17.57 in 1985, still stands as the British
record. Barefooted.


Oh, I could, since I already walk and bicycle with
sandals all summer
long. Problem is, without any shoes one carries
the dirt into the house
because you can't switch feet at the entrance
door, and that will make
the missus grumpy (rightfully so). Especially when
coming back from a
dirt trail.


How primitive. The Thais, who were essentially
shoeless in years gone
by solved the problem by placed a tub of water
outside the door and
washed their feet before going in the house.


So the foot fungus from the first person is spread
to all the others?

Foot fungus is very rare in places where people don't
wear shoes :-)


Nope. People walking barefoot in places where others
do so as well are
the ones getting infected. The risk is usually highest
in wet areas.
This is one of the reasons the US miltary encourages
soldiers to wear
"shower shoes" when taking a shower.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15864252


Do some more reading.

Candida is a strain of fungus that can cause an
infection in your
skin, among other locations. In normal conditions, your
skin may host
small amounts of this fungus. Problems arise when it
begins to
multiply and creates an overgrowth... The overriding
conditions that
encourage fungus growth is "The fungus thrives in warm,
moist, and
sweaty conditions."


But those canny Thais don't wash their feet in the
common tub. what
they do is dip some clean water out of the tub and
slosh it over their
feet to get them clean.


That's going to help a whole lot when someone has just
stepped into a
blob of gooey sap from a pine tree. When I come home
from MTB rides I
often have that under my shoes. Since they get swapped
in the garage, no
problem.

Strange that it doesn't seem to be a problem in actual
practice isn't
it? Or, at least in all the years that I've lived in
Asia I've never
seen it be a problem.

But more to the point I grew up in New England where
the pine tree
was, perhaps, the most common tree and unless you
actually climbed a
pine tree we never got any sap on your feet. It doesn't
just drip off
the trees to cover the ground.

But maybe California pine trees are different.

Addendum: I came across this today. Apparently
California is different
:-)
http://www.ehow.com/info_8691222_sti...e-needles.html

Pine needles may also be covered in a sticky substance
caused by
disease and infestation, such as aphids, which are
attracted to pine
trees. According to the University of California's
Department of
Agriculture and Natural Resources, "Aphids are small,
soft-bodied
insects with long, slender mouth parts that they use to
pierce stems,
leaves, and other tender plant parts and suck out plant
fluids." In
addition to causing openings in pine trees which may
cause sap to
leak, the aphids themselves emit a sticky substance
called honeydew.


I came home from a long singletrack ride yesterday. The
last couple of
miles are on asphalt and both tires emitted the usual
lip-smacking
sounds. Had to stop before the garage, whip out the
trusty old Swiss
Army knife and scrape the pine sap blobs out of the
knobbies. Just
another normal day in paradise.

When helping another MTB rider fix a flat the drill here
is to never
just grab a wheel with both hands without looking first.
Goat's head
thorns are the main reason but also sap. Some kinds of
sap won't come
off the skin with just soap and water.



Hmmm.... immigrate.



BTDT. There is always some hair in the soup, everywhere.


... No sticky pine globs of goat head thorns in many
parts of the world :-)



However, only four snakes in the US are poisonous. Then you
move to places like Australia and no goat's head thorns but
just about every snake is poisonous. Or you move to the
Caribbean where there is no winter but then cloud come up
and suddenly you bike route looks like this:

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset...70_nou pscale



'only four' sounds so benign and distant.

Unless your girlfriend's land is bordered by rocky hills
where these guys hang out in the sun:
http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/EndangeredRe...ode=ARADE02040

Somebody named it 'horridus' for a reason.

(I'm not discounting Australia's famous killer fauna)


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


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Old October 20th 17, 04:31 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, October 20, 2017 at 12:23:57 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 12:06:57 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

Per John B.:

As I told Joerg, just wash your feet :-)


I don't buy it when it comes to carpets.

Bare floors, maybe... but feet will still be damp after "Washing" and
that will affect the carpet over time.

Quotes because I strongly suspect "Washing" = "Quick rinse with clear
room-temperature water".


Well, if you have polished mahogany floors, or terrazzo, floors in
your abode and you wash your feet before you enter you won't have
problems with your carpet.

Carpets also add to the servants work load with all that vacuuming and
frequent visits by the carpet cleaning company. They will applaud you
when you get rid of them.


I have come to the conclusion that hardwood floors with area rugs are much better than wall to wall carpets. These wall to wall crap accumulators are nothing but trouble and for no added comfort.
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Old October 20th 17, 04:35 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, October 20, 2017 at 7:51:43 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/20/2017 9:38 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Andre Jute:
I went off him when I discovered that his idea of a gourmet meal
was a hamburger. He died at 52 while out jogging. Not exactly a recommendation.


I cannot cite, but my recollection is that he was afflicted with
genetically-induced high cholesterol ("Familial Hypercholesterolemia").

My brother had it, didn't quite make it to 45.

My impression was - at least back then - that, if you've got it, you're
dead meat.


The phrase 'dead meat' always reminds me of Adele Davis.
Fatally smug.


Well, she did live to 70 which was pretty good for a woman born in 1904.
 




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