Everybody is Out

On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 21:04:56 UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 00:44:51 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 05:26:48 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 08:48:49 -0500, AMuzi wrote:


Yes, that (an HIV antiviral) was widely reported in early February
but dropped out of the news here for some reason.

I'm not due to see the Cardiologist until May but I will ask him :-)
By the way see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona..._2019#Research
Apparently Chloroquine has some anti-viral properties.
--
cheers,

John B.


As do HIV therapies but why Azithromycin?

I'm not a doctor but the Wiki is your friend :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azithromycin "Azithromycin is used to
treat many different infections, including: prevention and treatment of
acute bacterial exacerbations of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
due to H. influenzae, M. catarrhalis, or S. pneumoniae."

ATM, they are willing to try anything and everything that might help.
Stand by for the results,but do not hold your breath or invest your
money.

Well, yes. After all, many times what a doctor prescribes is simply to
alleviate the symptoms rather than "cure" the disease. The common cold
comes to mind :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

Which is also caused by a virus.

Cheers

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 00:17:58 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 21:04:56 UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 00:44:51 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 05:26:48 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 08:48:49 -0500, AMuzi wrote:


Yes, that (an HIV antiviral) was widely reported in early February
but dropped out of the news here for some reason.

I'm not due to see the Cardiologist until May but I will ask him :-)
By the way see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona..._2019#Research
Apparently Chloroquine has some anti-viral properties.
--
cheers,

John B.


As do HIV therapies but why Azithromycin?

I'm not a doctor but the Wiki is your friend :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azithromycin "Azithromycin is used to
treat many different infections, including: prevention and treatment of
acute bacterial exacerbations of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
due to H. influenzae, M. catarrhalis, or S. pneumoniae."

ATM, they are willing to try anything and everything that might help.
Stand by for the results,but do not hold your breath or invest your
money.

Well, yes. After all, many times what a doctor prescribes is simply to
alleviate the symptoms rather than "cure" the disease. The common cold
comes to mind :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

Which is also caused by a virus.

Exactly.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 08:04:48 +0700, John B
wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 00:44:51 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 05:26:48 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 08:48:49 -0500, AMuzi
wrote:


Yes, that (an HIV antiviral) was widely reported in early
February but dropped out of the news here for some reason.

I'm not due to see the Cardiologist until May but I will ask him
:-) By the way see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona..._2019#Research
Apparently Chloroquine has some anti-viral properties. -- cheers,

As do HIV therapies but why Azithromycin?

I'm not a doctor but the Wiki is your friend :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azithromycin "Azithromycin is used to
treat many different infections, including: prevention and treatment
of acute bacterial exacerbations of chronic obstructive pulmonary
disease due to H. influenzae, M. catarrhalis, or S. pneumoniae."

Right, but notice the keyword: bacterial. Antibiotics are effective
against bacteria to a greater or lesser degree, but they are
ineffective against viruses. Someone with COVID-19 could also develop a
bacterial pneumonia or other infection that might be treated that way,
but the COVID-19 virus would be unaffected.

ATM, they are willing to try anything and everything that might help.
Stand by for the results,but do not hold your breath or invest your
money.

Yes, it's the spaghetti method- throw it at the wall and see what
sticks. That said, there has been some analysis via AI to narrow down
the field of candidates to look into.

Viruses are mostly a protein coat around genetic material (RNA or DNA)
which reprograms the cell to make more viruses. It's all they do. In
the process they wreak havoc because that process kills the cells; in
the case of respiratory viruses they kill the cells in the airway and
lungs primarily.

Deactivating the COVID spike protein would render the virus
non-infective (probably more accurate to say would stop further
infection in the treated person, hopefully preventing them from getting
sicker and promoting faster recovery and shorter period of infectivity,
which in turn would "bend the curve"). So it is devoutly to be hoped
that something can be found that will do this.

Well, yes. After all, many times what a doctor prescribes is simply to
alleviate the symptoms rather than "cure" the disease. The common cold
comes to mind

True of most viral illnesses.

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 12:55:50 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 08:04:48 +0700, John B
wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 00:44:51 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 05:26:48 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 08:48:49 -0500, AMuzi
wrote:


Yes, that (an HIV antiviral) was widely reported in early
February but dropped out of the news here for some reason.

I'm not due to see the Cardiologist until May but I will ask him
:-) By the way see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona..._2019#Research
Apparently Chloroquine has some anti-viral properties. -- cheers,

As do HIV therapies but why Azithromycin?

I'm not a doctor but the Wiki is your friend :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azithromycin "Azithromycin is used to
treat many different infections, including: prevention and treatment
of acute bacterial exacerbations of chronic obstructive pulmonary
disease due to H. influenzae, M. catarrhalis, or S. pneumoniae."

Right, but notice the keyword: bacterial. Antibiotics are effective
against bacteria to a greater or lesser degree, but they are
ineffective against viruses. Someone with COVID-19 could also develop a
bacterial pneumonia or other infection that might be treated that way,
but the COVID-19 virus would be unaffected.

ATM, they are willing to try anything and everything that might help.
Stand by for the results,but do not hold your breath or invest your
money.

Yes, it's the spaghetti method- throw it at the wall and see what
sticks. That said, there has been some analysis via AI to narrow down
the field of candidates to look into.

Viruses are mostly a protein coat around genetic material (RNA or DNA)
which reprograms the cell to make more viruses. It's all they do. In
the process they wreak havoc because that process kills the cells; in
the case of respiratory viruses they kill the cells in the airway and
lungs primarily.

Deactivating the COVID spike protein would render the virus
non-infective (probably more accurate to say would stop further
infection in the treated person, hopefully preventing them from getting
sicker and promoting faster recovery and shorter period of infectivity,
which in turn would "bend the curve"). So it is devoutly to be hoped
that something can be found that will do this.

Well, yes. After all, many times what a doctor prescribes is simply to
alleviate the symptoms rather than "cure" the disease. The common cold
comes to mind

True of most viral illnesses.

Covid-19 is an RNA virus that is easy to kill on just about any surface with any common household cleaner. Are you trying to impress me with your knowledge that there are DNA viruses? Many ssDNA viruses multiply via RNA duplication so who the hell cares?

The latest research is that the Covid-19 is a stable virus so it is in all likelihood a one shot wonder. It is NOT dangerous to people under 60 without underlying health problems so why is the world shutting down for it?

Italy has so many deaths because with the socialized medicine that people like you admire they do not have facilities to treat the 5% of victims who get the worst symptoms and require ventilation for a week or so. Italy is now to the point where they don't even use Death Panels, they simply do not intubate anyone over 60. Any surprise that they have such a high mortality rate?

At least in Great Britain they have a private health care system besides the socialized medicine. And while the private health care system is competitive with that in the USA the socialized medicine is precisely what you would expect - run down facilities and treatment like Canada - so slow that you can expect to die before they can get room for you for any serious condition. Because of this you can expect 30% of ICU patients in the US hospitals along the northern border to be Canadians. And you can expect just about any Canadian with money to have American commercial medical insurance.

There is viral pneumonia as well as bacterial pneumonia. Influenza or even the common cold can cause viral pneumonia and kill you. But the government is going to save you from that isn't it? It must be President Trump's fault that the flu kills 40,000 Americans each year in a normal flu season despite 80% of the population being vaccinated while in years where the vaccination misses the mark it can be double that. So far this Covid-19 has killed some 24,000 people world wide mostly in places with the most ghastly health facilities possible. 1053 in the USA.

Each year the flu spreads exactly like this Covid-19 does. At some single point a mutation of the virus occurs and from that point it spreads outwards covering ground and killing without the specific age and health group that Covid-17 is limited to. Babies and pregnant women or women that have given birth within the last six or so months can be part of the mortality group of flu.

And it may not be possible to develop a vaccine for Covid-19 just like you do not see a vaccine for the common cold which isn't the harmless disease that the media makes it out to be. Loose in nursing care facilities it isn't uncommon for cold virus to kill many patients with respiratory problems.

I'm still curious what you think a government agency of any type can do against a virus. Maybe you can be saved from this deadly virus by WHO? That wonderful international organization which is part of the UN and employs fewer medical doctors than the average hospital in the USA.

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:55:43 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 08:04:48 +0700, John B
wrote:

I'm not a doctor but the Wiki is your friend :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azithromycin "Azithromycin is used to
treat many different infections, including: prevention and treatment
of acute bacterial exacerbations of chronic obstructive pulmonary
disease due to H. influenzae, M. catarrhalis, or S. pneumoniae."

Right, but notice the keyword: bacterial. Antibiotics are effective
against bacteria to a greater or lesser degree, but they are ineffective
against viruses. Someone with COVID-19 could also develop a bacterial
pneumonia or other infection that might be treated that way, but the
COVID-19 virus would be unaffected.

The problem here is that pneumonia can have a bacterial or viral cause
and for covid-19, it is viral and un treatable by antibiotics. The reall
bummer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumonia

and this site mentions fungi, which would leave you feeling like a fun-guy
(sorry).
https://www.webmd.com/lung/understan...monia-basics#1

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:55:43 -0500, Tim McNamara
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 08:04:48 +0700, John B
wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 00:44:51 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 05:26:48 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 08:48:49 -0500, AMuzi
wrote:


Yes, that (an HIV antiviral) was widely reported in early
February but dropped out of the news here for some reason.

I'm not due to see the Cardiologist until May but I will ask him
:-) By the way see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona..._2019#Research
Apparently Chloroquine has some anti-viral properties. -- cheers,

As do HIV therapies but why Azithromycin?

I'm not a doctor but the Wiki is your friend :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azithromycin "Azithromycin is used to
treat many different infections, including: prevention and treatment
of acute bacterial exacerbations of chronic obstructive pulmonary
disease due to H. influenzae, M. catarrhalis, or S. pneumoniae."

Right, but notice the keyword: bacterial. Antibiotics are effective
against bacteria to a greater or lesser degree, but they are
ineffective against viruses. Someone with COVID-19 could also develop a
bacterial pneumonia or other infection that might be treated that way,
but the COVID-19 virus would be unaffected.

You missed the word "exacerbations" which means:
"action that makes a problem or a disease (or its symptoms) worse"

--
cheers,

John B.

Am 27.03.2020 um 00:47 schrieb Tom Kunich:

Covid-19 is an RNA virus that is easy to kill on just about any
surface with any common household cleaner. Are you trying to impress
me with your knowledge that there are DNA viruses? Many ssDNA viruses
multiply via RNA duplication so who the hell cares?

The latest research is that the Covid-19 is a stable virus so it is
in all likelihood a one shot wonder. It is NOT dangerous to people
under 60 without underlying health problems so why is the world
shutting down for it?

Can you please stop that lying Spiel that CIVOD-19 is not dangerous for
the under-60's at a time where you find 25-year olds on the respirator
in lots of Italian hospitals? The only reason there's next to no
fatalities amongst the young and healthy is that a previously healthy
25-year old survives three weeks on the respirator while a 70-year old
smoker is likely to die after a few days; those three weeks have not
passed yet since th explosion of numbers in Italy.

Even if the 25-year old survives these three weeks, we will never really
recover completely from half of his lungs being destroyed.

On 3/27/2020 1:58 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 27.03.2020 um 00:47 schrieb Tom Kunich:

Covid-19 is an RNA virus that is easy to kill on just about any
surface with any common household cleaner. Are you trying to impress
me with your knowledge that there are DNA viruses? Many ssDNA viruses
multiply via RNA duplication so who the hell cares?

The latest research is that the Covid-19 is a stable virus so it is
in all likelihood a one shot wonder. It is NOT dangerous to people
under 60 without underlying health problems so why is the world
shutting down for it?

Can you please stop that lying Spiel that CIVOD-19 is not dangerous for
the under-60's at a time where you find 25-year olds on the respirator
in lots of Italian hospitals?

Not just in Italy.
https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients

I suspect that the Kunich feels compelled to repeat the lies of his
handlers in the Trump administration.

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 2:41:24 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 3/27/2020 1:58 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 27.03.2020 um 00:47 schrieb Tom Kunich:

Covid-19 is an RNA virus that is easy to kill on just about any
surface with any common household cleaner. Are you trying to impress
me with your knowledge that there are DNA viruses? Many ssDNA viruses
multiply via RNA duplication so who the hell cares?

The latest research is that the Covid-19 is a stable virus so it is
in all likelihood a one shot wonder. It is NOT dangerous to people
under 60 without underlying health problems so why is the world
shutting down for it?

Can you please stop that lying Spiel that CIVOD-19 is not dangerous for
the under-60's at a time where you find 25-year olds on the respirator
in lots of Italian hospitals?

Not just in Italy.
https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients

I suspect that the Kunich feels compelled to repeat the lies of his
handlers in the Trump administration.

And I suspect that you're trying to convince everyone of your political fidelity.

On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:41:09 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 2:41:24 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 3/27/2020 1:58 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 27.03.2020 um 00:47 schrieb Tom Kunich:

Covid-19 is an RNA virus that is easy to kill on just about any
surface with any common household cleaner. Are you trying to impress
me with your knowledge that there are DNA viruses? Many ssDNA viruses
multiply via RNA duplication so who the hell cares?

The latest research is that the Covid-19 is a stable virus so it is
in all likelihood a one shot wonder. It is NOT dangerous to people
under 60 without underlying health problems so why is the world
shutting down for it?

Can you please stop that lying Spiel that CIVOD-19 is not dangerous for
the under-60's at a time where you find 25-year olds on the respirator
in lots of Italian hospitals?

Not just in Italy.
https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients

I suspect that the Kunich feels compelled to repeat the lies of his
handlers in the Trump administration.

And I suspect that you're trying to convince everyone of your political fidelity.

Lets see... A guy warns that the COVID-19 virus attacks even young
patients and Tommy, who asserts that he is an expert in the subject
replies disdaining the poster's "political fidelity"???

The real question would seem to be, "Is Tom rational?"
--
cheers,

John B.