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On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:45:42 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/25/2020 7:40 PM, John B. wrote: Given that the virus "new case" rate in the U.S. is now the highest in the world (as of March 26, 2020, 00:12 GMT) the question of whether the restaurants go out of business because of a shutdown or whether they go out of business because their customers catch the virus is probably immaterial. Sure of that? We're a large nation so having a large number may not be a large rate (as compared with, say, 60 million Italians). Updated hourly: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html You can look at cumulative confirmed cases globally and by nation, some data broken down to the county level, as well as by daily increase. The US's current daily increase is very steep- about 20% daily in the past few days and accelerating as expected. Thus far we are not "flattening the curve" significantly since many of those people were infected before the advent of social distancing, etc. If the measures are successful, they will start to show up visibly in the trend curves in another 1-2 weeks. By then we'll be at about 200,000 infected Americans at the current rate. Hopefully the rate of infection slows soon! Had Trump been more on the ball and willing to listen to people who are actually competent, there might have been a more effective response sooner. But like so many Republicans, he values money more than lives. The good news for Americans thus far is that the case fatality rate in the US seems to be about 1/3 that of the world at large. That may change as folks get into what seems to tend to be the worst parts of the illness (days 7-10). And mst hospitals are not yet overwhelmed in the US, except I would imagine in New York and the northeastern seaboard they are seeing that. |
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On 3/26/2020 11:02 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/26/2020 9:58 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 3/25/2020 7:40 PM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 19:26:32 -0500, AMuzi wrote: If your auntie was Nancy Pelosi, you could try your hand at being Governor too! Thank God there's no nepotism in Trump's administration! Only the highest qualified sycophants need apply. (Jared and Ivanka are there only by coincidence.) With about 60 million Italians, of whom about 7,000 deaths are attributed to the Chinese Bioweapon virus... Why would you use that phrase? Just my opinion; preponderance of limited evidence It conveniently appeared when the PRC, in an age of telephone videos, was facing a PR debacle of tanks and machine guns solving their problem of 1~2 million people per day filling the streets of Hong Kong. Virus = problem solved, post haste. Convenient timing. The Wuhan bioweapons lab has had four prior significant 'contamination events' with deaths. China wrote their very first safety protocols for that lab in January 2020. Chinese Communist Party press release: https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/2020...217277ee1.html [extra credit: If it's a 'mutated wildlife virus' problem, why is the solution new regulations on a bioweapons lab nearby?] Although built in 1956, the premium advanced virology lab unit was built by the French a year ago. Overview of operations (note pub date) he https://www.nature.com/news/inside-t...hogens-1.21487 However, I also listened to an American virologist professor/researcher for an hour last Sunday evening. She says that since the alleged source, a wildlife market, was emptied and completely razed, and since all patient samples going back to November, 2019 were ordered destroyed, it will never be possible to know this virus' origin. Her opinion is that it was engineered but she was clear that there can never be certainty on that point. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 09:23:43 +0700, John B
wrote: As for "hair on fire"... hardly :-) "Hair on fire" is Fox Newsspeak for anyone saying they don't think Trump is the Greatest President in Human history, especially criticism based on what Trump actually says instead of what he and his supporters pretend he said. Covfefe! It was a perfect call! And you should believe Vladimir over American intelligence professionals, he only has our best interests at heart. |
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 02:03:30 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote: This was in the recent online offerings; https://arstechnica.com/science/2020...o-much-to-ask- for-an-actual-plan/ I say that you are a very nasty journalist who wants Donald Trump to fail in the next election! Expect the President and his Cabinet to do their jobs and save the lives of Americans? What are you, a socialist? Save the money first, it can't take care of itself unlike people. |
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On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 1:28:56 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 02:03:30 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: This was in the recent online offerings; https://arstechnica.com/science/2020...o-much-to-ask- for-an-actual-plan/ I say that you are a very nasty journalist who wants Donald Trump to fail in the next election! Expect the President and his Cabinet to do their jobs and save the lives of Americans? What are you, a socialist? Save the money first, it can't take care of itself unlike people. Tell us all what the President is going to do against a disease. This ought to be interesting to listen to a moron run on about just how ignorant about the world around him he is. |
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:22:39 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/26/2020 11:02 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 3/26/2020 9:58 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 3/25/2020 7:40 PM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 19:26:32 -0500, AMuzi wrote: If your auntie was Nancy Pelosi, you could try your hand at being Governor too! Thank God there's no nepotism in Trump's administration! Only the highest qualified sycophants need apply. (Jared and Ivanka are there only by coincidence.) With about 60 million Italians, of whom about 7,000 deaths are attributed to the Chinese Bioweapon virus... Why would you use that phrase? Just my opinion; preponderance of limited evidence It conveniently appeared when the PRC, in an age of telephone videos, was facing a PR debacle of tanks and machine guns solving their problem of 1~2 million people per day filling the streets of Hong Kong. Virus = problem solved, post haste. Convenient timing. The Wuhan bioweapons lab has had four prior significant 'contamination events' with deaths. China wrote their very first safety protocols for that lab in January 2020. Chinese Communist Party press release: https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/2020...217277ee1.html [extra credit: If it's a 'mutated wildlife virus' problem, why is the solution new regulations on a bioweapons lab nearby?] Although built in 1956, the premium advanced virology lab unit was built by the French a year ago. Overview of operations (note pub date) he https://www.nature.com/news/inside-t...hogens-1.21487 However, I also listened to an American virologist professor/researcher for an hour last Sunday evening. She says that since the alleged source, a wildlife market, was emptied and completely razed, and since all patient samples going back to November, 2019 were ordered destroyed, it will never be possible to know this virus' origin. Her opinion is that it was engineered but she was clear that there can never be certainty on that point. Well, lets not get into a contest over who can urinate the furtherest but I would point out that the Chinese have historically solved what they perceive as anti-government problems with far less folderol than going to the trouble and cost of developing a new disease. Think Tibet, think Tiananmen Square , think Uighur Muslims. -- cheers, John B. |
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:11:17 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote: On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 9:03:05 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 3/26/2020 9:58 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 3/25/2020 7:40 PM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 19:26:32 -0500, AMuzi wrote: If your auntie was Nancy Pelosi, you could try your hand at being Governor too! Thank God there's no nepotism in Trump's administration! Only the highest qualified sycophants need apply. (Jared and Ivanka are there only by coincidence.) With about 60 million Italians, of whom about 7,000 deaths are attributed to the Chinese Bioweapon virus... Why would you use that phrase? -- - Frank Krygowski Frank, the military biowarfare laboratory is in Wuhan. While I doubt that this came from there, there is always the possibility that it snuck out under the cover of someone's socks. The Washington Times published, below a headline that states "Coronavirus may have originated in lab linked to China's biowarfare program", a retraction on 25 March 2020 stating: "Editor's note (March 25, 2020): Since this story ran, scientists outside of China have had a chance to study the SARS-CoV-2 virus. They concluded it does not show signs of having been manufactured or purposefully manipulated in a lab, though the exact origin remains murky and experts debate whether it may have leaked from a Chinese lab that was studying it. -- cheers, John B. |
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On 3/26/2020 6:43 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 1:28:56 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 02:03:30 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: This was in the recent online offerings; https://arstechnica.com/science/2020...o-much-to-ask- for-an-actual-plan/ I say that you are a very nasty journalist who wants Donald Trump to fail in the next election! Expect the President and his Cabinet to do their jobs and save the lives of Americans? What are you, a socialist? Save the money first, it can't take care of itself unlike people. Tell us all what the President is going to do against a disease. This ought to be interesting to listen to a moron run on about just how ignorant about the world around him he is. Many public health professionals can tell you what the president _should_ have done against a disease. It's hardly a secret. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 3/26/2020 6:47 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:22:39 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 3/26/2020 11:02 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 3/26/2020 9:58 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 3/25/2020 7:40 PM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 19:26:32 -0500, AMuzi wrote: If your auntie was Nancy Pelosi, you could try your hand at being Governor too! Thank God there's no nepotism in Trump's administration! Only the highest qualified sycophants need apply. (Jared and Ivanka are there only by coincidence.) With about 60 million Italians, of whom about 7,000 deaths are attributed to the Chinese Bioweapon virus... Why would you use that phrase? Just my opinion; preponderance of limited evidence It conveniently appeared when the PRC, in an age of telephone videos, was facing a PR debacle of tanks and machine guns solving their problem of 1~2 million people per day filling the streets of Hong Kong. Virus = problem solved, post haste. Convenient timing. The Wuhan bioweapons lab has had four prior significant 'contamination events' with deaths. China wrote their very first safety protocols for that lab in January 2020. Chinese Communist Party press release: https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/2020...217277ee1.html [extra credit: If it's a 'mutated wildlife virus' problem, why is the solution new regulations on a bioweapons lab nearby?] Although built in 1956, the premium advanced virology lab unit was built by the French a year ago. Overview of operations (note pub date) he https://www.nature.com/news/inside-t...hogens-1.21487 However, I also listened to an American virologist professor/researcher for an hour last Sunday evening. She says that since the alleged source, a wildlife market, was emptied and completely razed, and since all patient samples going back to November, 2019 were ordered destroyed, it will never be possible to know this virus' origin. Her opinion is that it was engineered but she was clear that there can never be certainty on that point. Well, lets not get into a contest over who can urinate the furtherest but I would point out that the Chinese have historically solved what they perceive as anti-government problems with far less folderol than going to the trouble and cost of developing a new disease. Think Tibet, think Tiananmen Square , think Uighur Muslims. Or as I said to the neighbor who pre-echoed Andrew at least a week ago: "It's not clear to me why China would wreck its economy to influence a U.S. election." Or, as you say, make Hong Kong "behave." It would be like killing the spider on the wall from fifteen feet away, using a few shotgun blasts. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 4:12:48 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/26/2020 6:43 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 1:28:56 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 02:03:30 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: This was in the recent online offerings; https://arstechnica.com/science/2020...o-much-to-ask- for-an-actual-plan/ I say that you are a very nasty journalist who wants Donald Trump to fail in the next election! Expect the President and his Cabinet to do their jobs and save the lives of Americans? What are you, a socialist? Save the money first, it can't take care of itself unlike people. Tell us all what the President is going to do against a disease. This ought to be interesting to listen to a moron run on about just how ignorant about the world around him he is. Many public health professionals can tell you what the president _should_ have done against a disease. It's hardly a secret. -- - Frank Krygowski It isn't a secret but you don't know what it is? |
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