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"recycled" writes: "DennisTheBald" wrote in message ... Serious question, serious answer... No F.N. way that the weight of a bicycle & the bicyclist breaks a chain, not even if they were suspended by that chain and then bounced. You and your horse together can not produce enough torque to break that chain; big gear, little gear - no way, no how. Ok. I assumed the chain might well be the... errr... weakest link. FWIW, the carriages of forklifts are chain driven. Let me rephrase: What component would be the most stressed from a standing start in a high gear? I believe it is the rear axle. I've broken a number of them. And it's actually /lower/ gears that apply more torque -- or rather, allow the rider to apply more torque. Higher gears actually work to prevent a rider from applying very much torque. That's why it's so hard to give the pedals that first push from a dead stop in a high gear. On the other hand, jack-rabbit starts in low gears sometimes manifest as spontaneous wheelies, especially on inclined planes. Then you might hear some rearward component go "crack!" and you tersely think: "Oh-oh." Having a chain come apart is quite another matter altogether tho, you can probably take one apart without even breathing hard. Should one slip apart while you're riding trying to put it back together by the side of the road with nothing but a pair of pliers will make you sweat and curse. If you fear a chain failure and wish to mitigate that situation you might slip a powerlink (r) into your purse. I don't fear it. Just something I wondered about. When reassembling chains, I've learned to drive the pin in a little too far, and then drive it into the sweet spot from the other side of the chain. And then still visually inspect to ensure the sideplates aren't splayed, and tactilely inspect to ensure the link isn't stiff. It's really quite easy to properly reassemble a chain, and not doing so is just inexcusable sloppiness (mea sometimes culpa.) If you use a PowerLink and suffer chainsuck or over-shifting fall-out, the PowerLink will always be in an inaccessible spot. It's a Murphy's Law thing. If you wish to avoid disaster: when installing pedals, always take care to ensure they're tightly in there. /That's/ where there's no room to be perfunctory. There's an interesting article in the FAQ about broken axles. cheers, Tom -- Nothing is safe from me. I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca |
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DennisTheBald wrote:
Serious question, serious answer... No F.N. way that the weight of a bicycle & the bicyclist breaks a chain, not even if they were suspended by that chain and then bounced. You and your horse together can not produce enough torque to break that chain; big gear, little gear - no way, no how. Having a chain come apart is quite another matter altogether tho, you can probably take one apart without even breathing hard. Should one slip apart while you're riding trying to put it back together by the side of the road with nothing but a pair of pliers will make you sweat and curse. If you fear a chain failure and wish to mitigate that situation you might slip a powerlink (r) into your purse. http://www.rei.com/product/751366 A quick link doesn't usually help without a chain tool. The common failure scenario is pin pull out, leaving you with a damaged link that must be removed before you can use the quick link. Of course if you have the tool, you don't really need the quick link. |
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DennisTheBald wrote:
I'm having a little trouble following you here, did the side plates break or did the pins slip out of the side plate? One of those things seems quite believable and the other completely not. Both are known to happen. The pin pull out is the more common, and usually an assembly error, the other is likely a manufacturing defect. I would even entertain that the plastic replacement pins that Shimano provides to put a chain back together with could break...(never seen it happen but I didn't like the idea and refused to use them for any length of time myself) Why would one put plastic bits in their drive chain...crack, either smoking it or having one's head up it? Then again, the pin is pretty much just to hold the inner and outer side plates together and the real stress should be on the flanges of the side plates themselves, not the pin... but I don't trust plastic pins on my chain. I wouldn't use these: http://www.rei.com/product/544076 I've never used them, I just used quick links with Shimano chains. When SRAM started including them, I switched. I maintain that the gear ratio used when starting from a stop has no bearing on the life of the chain, maintenance on the other hand does. If by "maintenance", you mean cleaning, a guy here (list) did an experiment a few years back and found no difference in chain wear cleaned vs, not cleaned. It seems no one has bothered to repeat it (despite endless talks about cleaning/lubing methods). I don't clean my chains any more. One knowledgeable poster reported a large difference in chain life between regions with different geology, reasoning that the makeup of the road grit (say limestone vs. granite) affected wear rate significantly. I further assert that side plates don't stretch either and that the actual cause of what people tend to call 'chain stretch' is actually the side plates wearing into the pins. The term is accurate in the sense that the length of the chain changes, and in doing so, the pitch changes (the only important dimension). I'd be surprised if anyone who care to think about it at all believed the stretch was literal. Would flipping your chain around say every 20k miles extend its life? You would be wearing down the other side of the pin and wallowing out the other side of the side plate hole. Rotating your chain will have more of a bearing on its usable life span than not shifting to low before stopping will. Chains have inner and outer links, pins and rollers. The pins, rollers and inner link bores all wear. The roller wear doesn't affect the pitch, only the pin and inner link wear. See the FAQ. Flipping your chain won't help. |
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Bill Sornson wrote:
Peter Cole wrote: A quick link doesn't usually help without a chain tool. The common failure scenario is pin pull out, leaving you with a damaged link that must be removed before you can use the quick link. Of course if you have the tool, you don't really need the quick link. I thought the pins in "modern" chains can't be pressed back in like in the good old days? Can certainly reconnect the chain ends, but I'd be hesitant to really hammer on it. Bill S. The context I was replying in was a chain break on the road. This is somewhat hypothetical for me since I haven't ever had one, but the point I attempted to make was that a chain tool would be necessary, even if you had a spare quick link. I would rather use a quick link to connect a chain in the garage, even though my chains (8-speeds -- where I stopped upgrading) can be pin joined, so I'd prefer a quick link even more on the road (woods/dark/rain/snow). If I didn't have one, I'd re-pin it rather than walk home. I did this once for a guy with a broken Campy C-10 who I came across walking home barefoot (Look cleats). He didn't seem to mind that we may have been violating the chain warranty. |
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