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Handebar broke off - nasty cash
On 8/6/2019 7:20 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
You say that a bicycle carries the rider and a modest amount of barrage yet Frank frequently mentions his bicycle that carries both himself and his wife... You can add up to 30 pounds of groceries or touring luggage. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 8/6/2019 6:20 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 07:49:44 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-06 00:55, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Mon, 05 Aug 2019 13:55:13 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-05 13:36, Tom Kunich wrote: [...] Nothing is permanent in this world so I got used to it. However, one should seek the more permanent stuff versus the less than permanent stuff. It's like with cars. Japanese ones are among the best but even they break down. My wife's Toyota developed a steering rack leak afer 23 years. Unbelievable. Only 23 years. $940 later it's all fixed. At least it didn't fail on the road, just very gradually. My Mitsubishi is 22 years and, nada. Not even a dome light has had the audacity to burn out. I sure wish bicycle manufacturers would learn about that level of quality. I see a 2020 Mitsubishi Eclipse, weighing in the neighborhood of 3500 lbs.and costing US$ 24,085. I suggest that anyone selling bicycles built to those standards probably make a "live for ever" bicycle. That Mitsubishi can comfortably carry four people, baggae and if needed a small trailer. Mine (Montero Sport) can carry half a ton of firewood, and has, many times. A bicycle only needs to carry ne rider and modest baggage. How much effort and weight would it have taken to coat the steel stiffener tube before pressing it in? 0.01oz? 0.02oz? Yes, they could do better. You are defining the needs of autos and bicycles in a manner that "proves" your points and is wholly false. You appear to claim that an auto is capable of carrying 4 people and baggage and a half ton of firewood and thus is a "standard" for autos. But I owned a MG that could carry two passengers and a tiny amount of luggage and no firewood at all. You say that a bicycle carries the rider and a modest amount of barrage yet Frank frequently mentions his bicycle that carries both himself and his wife and when I was in Vietnam the guys in the welding shop built "a bicycle built for 5" and test rode it on the parking ramp. It hardly seems logical to compare a $24,000, 3.500 lb behemoth with a bicycle but you do it all the time and than when someone argues you start talking about tons of wood. -- Cheers, John B. A more fair comparison might be something like a Crosley Roadster (light weight, chain drive, limited power) to a bicycle. At which point the bicycle looks amazingly robust and dependable! https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...OADSTER-218102 -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 8/6/2019 7:38 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/6/2019 7:20 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: You say that a bicycle carries the rider and a modest amount of barrage yet Frank frequently mentions his bicycle that carries both himself and his wife... You can add up to 30 pounds of groceries or touring luggage. No problem with a 120lb woman on the seat, rider pedals while standing. My ex loved to ride around that way. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 19:51:29 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/6/2019 6:20 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 07:49:44 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-06 00:55, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Mon, 05 Aug 2019 13:55:13 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-05 13:36, Tom Kunich wrote: [...] Nothing is permanent in this world so I got used to it. However, one should seek the more permanent stuff versus the less than permanent stuff. It's like with cars. Japanese ones are among the best but even they break down. My wife's Toyota developed a steering rack leak afer 23 years. Unbelievable. Only 23 years. $940 later it's all fixed. At least it didn't fail on the road, just very gradually. My Mitsubishi is 22 years and, nada. Not even a dome light has had the audacity to burn out. I sure wish bicycle manufacturers would learn about that level of quality. I see a 2020 Mitsubishi Eclipse, weighing in the neighborhood of 3500 lbs.and costing US$ 24,085. I suggest that anyone selling bicycles built to those standards probably make a "live for ever" bicycle. That Mitsubishi can comfortably carry four people, baggae and if needed a small trailer. Mine (Montero Sport) can carry half a ton of firewood, and has, many times. A bicycle only needs to carry ne rider and modest baggage. How much effort and weight would it have taken to coat the steel stiffener tube before pressing it in? 0.01oz? 0.02oz? Yes, they could do better. You are defining the needs of autos and bicycles in a manner that "proves" your points and is wholly false. You appear to claim that an auto is capable of carrying 4 people and baggage and a half ton of firewood and thus is a "standard" for autos. But I owned a MG that could carry two passengers and a tiny amount of luggage and no firewood at all. You say that a bicycle carries the rider and a modest amount of barrage yet Frank frequently mentions his bicycle that carries both himself and his wife and when I was in Vietnam the guys in the welding shop built "a bicycle built for 5" and test rode it on the parking ramp. It hardly seems logical to compare a $24,000, 3.500 lb behemoth with a bicycle but you do it all the time and than when someone argues you start talking about tons of wood. -- Cheers, John B. A more fair comparison might be something like a Crosley Roadster (light weight, chain drive, limited power) to a bicycle. At which point the bicycle looks amazingly robust and dependable! https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...OADSTER-218102 Perhaps not. The cost of a Crosley was in the $850 range while the original discussion was related to a car that cost nearly b30 times as much. and like a Cadillac or a Mercedes or even Rolls Royce the more expensive blends are usually, in fact, of a higher quality. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 2:06:10 AM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
No problem with a 120lb woman on the seat, rider pedals while standing. My ex loved to ride around that way. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Does that account for her being "ex"? Andre Jute https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78MKBHR3NbU |
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Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 2:06:10 AM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote: No problem with a 120lb woman on the seat, rider pedals while standing. My ex loved to ride around that way. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Does that account for her being "ex"? Andre Jute https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78MKBHR3NbU Yeah I bet Andrew found someone to pedal for him! -- duane |
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On 2019-08-06 12:32, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 2:54:58 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-06 07:55, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 10:45:23 AM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-05 16:28, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 6:22:32 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-05 15:10, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 4:55:14 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-05 13:36, Tom Kunich wrote: On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 1:03:30 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote: Yes and no. I've broken steel pedal spindles catastrophically. Spokes go all at once. Steel fasteners snap -- axles, too. Lots of steel things will snap, including bars after enough high energy fatigue cycles. -- Jay Beattie. Cast steel will fail suddenly but with any kind of pipe structure that's rare. I broke a Look steel pedal spindle on a couple of occasions. Had steel saddle rails break off and steel spokes break in one swell foop. I have seen steel bicycle frames fail suddenly and steel bars suddenly bend upon hitting a pothole. A pothole can be like an accident, like hitting an object. Nothing is permanent in this world so I got used to it. However, one should seek the more permanent stuff versus the less than permanent stuff. It's like with cars. Japanese ones are among the best but even they break down. My wife's Toyota developed a steering rack leak afer 23 years. Unbelievable. Only 23 years. $940 later it's all fixed. At least it didn't fail on the road, just very gradually. My Mitsubishi is 22 years and, nada. Not even a dome light has had the audacity to burn out. I sure wish bicycle manufacturers would learn about that level of quality. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Maybe you should use the tires and other components these guys use? Well, I do have an MTB steel handlebar on the road bike now. Also MTB pedals (for years). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_IFoSKTl1Y I'm sure the trails in your area are not as knarly as whatthese guys are riding over. That's steep but not gnarly at all. Gnarly to me means full of ruts, big rocks and stuff. Things where you can get really hurt in a crash. Here is one of our trails and that is gnarly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y38JzV-ueXI People have died on that one. Went off the cliff edge which doesn't look dangerous but the grease brush doesn't hold anyhting and afterwards it's an almost vertical fall (onto rocks). -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Did you watch the ENTIRE video? Yes. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Well then you must have seen them riding over rock strewn sections of trails, jumping over some sections and landing on rocks and doing all that whilst riding a high rate of speed. Looking at the two videos your clip does NOT compare at all to the route those guys took in the video I posted the link to. Here we disagree. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Try watching this one. It's the same race. 4:32, 5:30, 5:54, 6:10+, 7:00, 7:28, 9:46+, 10:10, 11:05, 11:22, 13:20, 13:38+, 13:55, 19:15 - 19:25+, and so on. Plus they're riding that course at speed not just picking their way through it. I wonder how the tires and the rest of the bikes make it through such a punishing course. Please post the link you are referring to. Of course there will be more gnarly tracks in other areas of the world but 4:32min in your original link looks like a smooth access road. On the Darrington Trail (my link) some folks blow through the downhill sections like crazy. I had the chain slap too much and come off on one, stopped to fix it several feet to the side of the trail, and a guy literally flew by and rather close to me. He was completely airborne, insane. I don't ride like that. These trails are hard on the bike and it is prudent to carry a full tool kit. Stuff comes loose all the time. Sometimes the tires don't hold up. I've had a blow-out where a large chunk of rubber went awol and I had to hike-a-bike for six miles. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2019-08-06 16:20, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 07:49:44 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-06 00:55, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Mon, 05 Aug 2019 13:55:13 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-05 13:36, Tom Kunich wrote: [...] Nothing is permanent in this world so I got used to it. However, one should seek the more permanent stuff versus the less than permanent stuff. It's like with cars. Japanese ones are among the best but even they break down. My wife's Toyota developed a steering rack leak afer 23 years. Unbelievable. Only 23 years. $940 later it's all fixed. At least it didn't fail on the road, just very gradually. My Mitsubishi is 22 years and, nada. Not even a dome light has had the audacity to burn out. I sure wish bicycle manufacturers would learn about that level of quality. I see a 2020 Mitsubishi Eclipse, weighing in the neighborhood of 3500 lbs.and costing US$ 24,085. I suggest that anyone selling bicycles built to those standards probably make a "live for ever" bicycle. That Mitsubishi can comfortably carry four people, baggae and if needed a small trailer. Mine (Montero Sport) can carry half a ton of firewood, and has, many times. A bicycle only needs to carry ne rider and modest baggage. How much effort and weight would it have taken to coat the steel stiffener tube before pressing it in? 0.01oz? 0.02oz? Yes, they could do better. You are defining the needs of autos and bicycles in a manner that "proves" your points and is wholly false. You appear to claim that an auto is capable of carrying 4 people and baggage and a half ton of firewood and thus is a "standard" for autos. It is in many areas around where I live. ... But I owned a MG that could carry two passengers and a tiny amount of luggage and no firewood at all. Not a very useful car for El Dorado County but it all depends on your lifestyle. I you stay on paved roads and do not need to haul firewood a MG Sports is fun. A neighbor has one. Visiting friends of ours on dirt roads, not so much. That requires a high ground clearance vehicle or an MTB. You say that a bicycle carries the rider and a modest amount of barrage yet Frank frequently mentions his bicycle that carries both himself and his wife and when I was in Vietnam the guys in the welding shop built "a bicycle built for 5" and test rode it on the parking ramp. I do not ride on parking ramps. I ride on trails a lot. It hardly seems logical to compare a $24,000, 3.500 lb behemoth with a bicycle but you do it all the time and than when someone argues you start talking about tons of wood. sigh A bicycle carries _one_ rider (or a tandem two) and a modest amount of luggage. Therefore, when a good bicycle costs $2k I expect it to be of similar quality as mu SUV which has cost me $18k and can haul more than 10x the weight in terms of payload. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Handebar broke off - nasty cash
On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 10:59:54 AM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-08-06 12:32, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 2:54:58 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-06 07:55, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 10:45:23 AM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-05 16:28, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 6:22:32 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-05 15:10, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 4:55:14 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-05 13:36, Tom Kunich wrote: On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 1:03:30 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote: Yes and no. I've broken steel pedal spindles catastrophically. Spokes go all at once. Steel fasteners snap -- axles, too. Lots of steel things will snap, including bars after enough high energy fatigue cycles. -- Jay Beattie. Cast steel will fail suddenly but with any kind of pipe structure that's rare. I broke a Look steel pedal spindle on a couple of occasions. Had steel saddle rails break off and steel spokes break in one swell foop. I have seen steel bicycle frames fail suddenly and steel bars suddenly bend upon hitting a pothole. A pothole can be like an accident, like hitting an object. Nothing is permanent in this world so I got used to it. However, one should seek the more permanent stuff versus the less than permanent stuff. It's like with cars. Japanese ones are among the best but even they break down. My wife's Toyota developed a steering rack leak afer 23 years. Unbelievable. Only 23 years. $940 later it's all fixed. At least it didn't fail on the road, just very gradually. My Mitsubishi is 22 years and, nada. Not even a dome light has had the audacity to burn out. I sure wish bicycle manufacturers would learn about that level of quality. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Maybe you should use the tires and other components these guys use? Well, I do have an MTB steel handlebar on the road bike now. Also MTB pedals (for years). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_IFoSKTl1Y I'm sure the trails in your area are not as knarly as whatthese guys are riding over. That's steep but not gnarly at all. Gnarly to me means full of ruts, big rocks and stuff. Things where you can get really hurt in a crash. Here is one of our trails and that is gnarly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y38JzV-ueXI People have died on that one. Went off the cliff edge which doesn't look dangerous but the grease brush doesn't hold anyhting and afterwards it's an almost vertical fall (onto rocks). -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Did you watch the ENTIRE video? Yes. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Well then you must have seen them riding over rock strewn sections of trails, jumping over some sections and landing on rocks and doing all that whilst riding a high rate of speed. Looking at the two videos your clip does NOT compare at all to the route those guys took in the video I posted the link to. Here we disagree. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Try watching this one. It's the same race. 4:32, 5:30, 5:54, 6:10+, 7:00, 7:28, 9:46+, 10:10, 11:05, 11:22, 13:20, 13:38+, 13:55, 19:15 - 19:25+, and so on. Plus they're riding that course at speed not just picking their way through it. I wonder how the tires and the rest of the bikes make it through such a punishing course. Please post the link you are referring to. Of course there will be more gnarly tracks in other areas of the world but 4:32min in your original link looks like a smooth access road. On the Darrington Trail (my link) some folks blow through the downhill sections like crazy. I had the chain slap too much and come off on one, stopped to fix it several feet to the side of the trail, and a guy literally flew by and rather close to me. He was completely airborne, insane. I don't ride like that. These trails are hard on the bike and it is prudent to carry a full tool kit. Stuff comes loose all the time. Sometimes the tires don't hold up. I've had a blow-out where a large chunk of rubber went awol and I had to hike-a-bike for six miles. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pltY5vS-aOY Cheers |
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On 2019-08-06 17:51, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/6/2019 6:20 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 07:49:44 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-06 00:55, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Mon, 05 Aug 2019 13:55:13 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-05 13:36, Tom Kunich wrote: [...] Nothing is permanent in this world so I got used to it. However, one should seek the more permanent stuff versus the less than permanent stuff. It's like with cars. Japanese ones are among the best but even they break down. My wife's Toyota developed a steering rack leak afer 23 years. Unbelievable. Only 23 years. $940 later it's all fixed. At least it didn't fail on the road, just very gradually. My Mitsubishi is 22 years and, nada. Not even a dome light has had the audacity to burn out. I sure wish bicycle manufacturers would learn about that level of quality. I see a 2020 Mitsubishi Eclipse, weighing in the neighborhood of 3500 lbs.and costing US$ 24,085. I suggest that anyone selling bicycles built to those standards probably make a "live for ever" bicycle. That Mitsubishi can comfortably carry four people, baggae and if needed a small trailer. Mine (Montero Sport) can carry half a ton of firewood, and has, many times. A bicycle only needs to carry ne rider and modest baggage. How much effort and weight would it have taken to coat the steel stiffener tube before pressing it in? 0.01oz? 0.02oz? Yes, they could do better. You are defining the needs of autos and bicycles in a manner that "proves" your points and is wholly false. You appear to claim that an auto is capable of carrying 4 people and baggage and a half ton of firewood and thus is a "standard" for autos. But I owned a MG that could carry two passengers and a tiny amount of luggage and no firewood at all. You say that a bicycle carries the rider and a modest amount of barrage yet Frank frequently mentions his bicycle that carries both himself and his wife and when I was in Vietnam the guys in the welding shop built "a bicycle built for 5" and test rode it on the parking ramp. It hardly seems logical to compare a $24,000, 3.500 lb behemoth with a bicycle but you do it all the time and than when someone argues you start talking about tons of wood. -- Cheers, John B. A more fair comparison might be something like a Crosley Roadster (light weight, chain drive, limited power) to a bicycle. At which point the bicycle looks amazingly robust and dependable! https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...OADSTER-218102 This is a more fair comparison: https://www.chapmoto.com/wp/wp-conte...mg-300x200.jpg The price difference to a good MTB isn't all that much considering the difference in carrying loads. Yet the durability difference is day and night. A friend has one, along with half a dozen MTB. The Yamaha never breaks and he does several long punishing offroad rides every year, with tent and all. He's got other offroad motorcycles as well and same thing, no breakdowns despite some crashes. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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