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what's the worst riding surface?
My vote is for wet shale. I've encountered
strafications of it that are bad enough when dry, but when moistened, all those leaflets form a slimy external layer of mud, so they merrily slide over & under each other. It's like accidentally slipping on cow patties on a dewy early morning. I've recently heard some complaints about chip-seal, although I've never yet personally encountered it. I know of a number of local urban residential street-side spots where the pavement doesn't go all the way across the street -- the car-parking areas along the sides of the streets have this finely ground, floury sand/dust that bicycle (and motorcycle) wheels like to go sideways on, and steer out from underneath their riders. Those were typically near neighbourhood corner grocery stores in the Vancouver's East End[*], which are now an endangered species. On sultry July evenings, little garbage tornadoes favour those spots, and kick grit into the eyes of bystanders. And in some areas The City has for some inscrutible reason thought it would be oh so artsie fartsie to inflict short sections of brick cobbles instead of the usual asphalt. So when it's raining, you have to suddenly adjust your "feel" of the street from asphalt to wet bricks, and then suddenly back to asphalt again. And we have a few (very few) concrete streets. I loathe 'em something fierce. cheers, Tom [*] Those little neighbourhood corner grocery stores so enhanced the experience of urban riding. I nostalgically lament their passing. -- Nothing is safe from me. I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca |
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On May 24, 7:28 pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
My vote is for wet shale. I've encountered strafications of it that are bad enough when dry, but when moistened, all those leaflets form a slimy external layer of mud, so they merrily slide over & under each other. It's like accidentally slipping on cow patties on a dewy early morning. This fine crush dark gravel I rode on fifteen miles out from the city today was quite challenging as they'd poured some fresh to fill in the ruts-but it was pretty easy to control on a fixed gear and the pretty scenery made the challenge well worth it: http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVY0AuS Fresh snow on packed snow and ice would get my vote as worst surface by far. |
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landotter writes: On May 24, 7:28 pm, (Tom Keats) wrote: My vote is for wet shale. I've encountered strafications of it that are bad enough when dry, but when moistened, all those leaflets form a slimy external layer of mud, so they merrily slide over & under each other. It's like accidentally slipping on cow patties on a dewy early morning. This fine crush dark gravel I rode on fifteen miles out from the city today was quite challenging as they'd poured some fresh to fill in the ruts-but it was pretty easy to control on a fixed gear and the pretty scenery made the challenge well worth it: http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVY0AuS Yikes! Pollen! ahh ... ahh ... ahh ... ahh-Chooooo! :-) Actually, a very pretty & lovely environment. You're blessed. I don't mind crush gravel (as long as I don't have to shovel it,) or pea gravel, or pit-run. It's egg gravel that gets my goat. It's like a roadful of babyheads. You can't even comfortably walk, let alone ride on it. I guess that's why logging companies like it so much -- logging trucks can easily scoot over it, but nobody else can. Fresh snow on packed snow and ice would get my vote as worst surface by far. I don't even contemplate riding on snow & ice. I don't even like walking on snow & ice. cheers, Tom -- Nothing is safe from me. I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca |
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Tom Keats wrote:
My vote is for wet shale. I've encountered strafications of it that are bad enough when dry, but when moistened, all those leaflets form a slimy external layer of mud, so they merrily slide over & under each other. It's like accidentally slipping on cow patties on a dewy early morning. I've recently heard some complaints about chip-seal, although I've never yet personally encountered it. ... Chip seal is just rough. Other than that, it is tacky and a decent surface to ride on if you don't mind the vibration. You don't want to fall on it, though. Some of the newfangled decorative brick is good to walk on but slick for bike tires even when it is dry. Rails, trolley and rail crossings are treacherous all the time. Those are the surfaces that I avoid, wet or dry. I don't ride off road. I am sure there are many off road surfaces to avoid. |
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On May 24, 7:28*pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
My vote is for wet shale. *I've encountered strafications of it that are bad enough when dry, but when moistened, all those leaflets form a slimy external layer of mud, so they merrily slide over & under each other. *It's like accidentally slipping on cow patties on a dewy early morning. I've recently heard some complaints about chip-seal, although I've never yet personally encountered it. I know of a number of local urban residential street-side spots where the pavement doesn't go all the way across the street -- the car-parking areas along the sides of the streets have this finely ground, floury sand/dust that bicycle (and motorcycle) wheels like to go sideways on, and steer out from underneath their riders. *Those were typically near neighbourhood corner grocery stores in the Vancouver's East End[*], which are now an endangered species. *On sultry July evenings, little *garbage tornadoes favour those spots, and kick grit into the eyes of bystanders. And in some areas The City has for some inscrutible reason thought it would be oh so artsie fartsie to inflict short sections of brick cobbles instead of the usual asphalt. So when it's raining, you have to suddenly adjust your "feel" of the street from asphalt to wet bricks, and then suddenly back to asphalt again. And we have a few (very few) concrete streets. *I loathe 'em something fierce. cheers, * * * * Tom [*] Those little neighbourhood corner grocery stores * * so enhanced the experience of urban riding. * * I nostalgically lament their passing. -- Nothing is safe from me. I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca From a strictly roadie POV, my vote goes to old brick streets. Over time, the inevitable shifting of the base makes for an unpredictably wave-like surface even in dry conditions. Add even the slightest bit of moisture (rain, heavy dew, or the runoff from people washing cars or watering lawns) to brick that has been worn smooth by years of traffic on it and you get something as slippery as the proverbial snot on a doorknob. The only good things about those streets are their usually low traffic volumes and their low drag coefficient when wet cuts down on road rash when one does fall. I've found even the latter to be a mixed blessing because what stopped my sliding after a fall on one occasion was the tires of the parked car I slid into and the "convenient" stopping power of a concrete curb on a second occasion. Luckily, in both cases my head acted as a bumper so damage was minimal. g Regards, Bob Hunt |
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what's the worst riding surface?
Metal grid bridges are low on my list.
-- Mike Kruger "You have to be careful if you are reckless." - Richard M. Daley |
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On Mon, 26 May 2008 21:03:09 -0500, "ZBicyclist"
wrote: Metal grid bridges are low on my list. Just below freshly poured concrete or wet wooden planks laid length way so there are gaps parallel to your direction of travel. Cross laid planks are easier. Unless they're creosote soaked and rain slicked but, if given the choice, I'll take them over metal grid decks -- zk |
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On May 24, 11:22*pm, landotter wrote:
On May 24, 7:28 pm, (Tom Keats) wrote: My vote is for wet shale. *I've encountered strafications of it that are bad enough when dry, but when moistened, all those leaflets form a slimy external layer of mud, so they merrily slide over & under each other. *It's like accidentally slipping on cow patties on a dewy early morning. This fine crush dark gravel I rode on fifteen miles out from the city today was quite challenging as they'd poured some fresh to fill in the ruts-but it was pretty easy to control on a fixed gear and the pretty scenery made the challenge well worth it: http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVY0AuS Fresh snow on packed snow and ice would get my vote as worst surface by far. Crushed rock freshly laid. A lot like your gravel but the stones are typically the size of a large marble. It's very popular around here on the unpaved roads. Luckily it is limestone so a couple of weeks with some decent automobile traffic reduces it to something very much like pavement as long as one stays in the car tracks. Actually the very worst I've ever seen was slag, presumably from the Sudbury nickel mines used on the Cataraqui Trail in Eastern Ontario. Canadian National Railways used/uses it as railway ballast. Clearly put down by someone who has never ridden a bike. That section of trail looks a lot like a section of the Cataraqui Trail. John Kane Kingston ON Canada |
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what's the worst riding surface?
what kind of surfaces, man-made, intended to travel on ones?
Tar & rock roads right after they dump a fresh couple inches of pea sized rocks on 'em and before the cars smoosh it all down into the tar. Wet leaves or silt on top of concrete will sneak up on you. But the worst is a big stretch of rocks that are about the size of your head, you're likely to hurt your self portaging though it too. |
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what's the worst riding surface?
Not a road surface per se, but a freshly poured curb/driveway where the
concrete is left several centimeters above the asphalt surface, I assume for future pavings, is double-plus-ungood. Hitting it straight on isn't a problem. Of course normal usage is to turn into the drive from the street. Any sort of wet/cold weather and it is my most likely moment of unintended dismount. |
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