Bike lanes and ****

"Albm&ctd" wrote in message
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I lied about the **** but I've noticed a lot of roads being changed in
their lane marking for pushbikes lately. Some of these roads have been
recently resurfaced, then the new marked lines ground out to
accomodate a bike lane. What I find a bit disturbing in this is that
all this money to do this can't be coming from pushbike use, instead
it would come from registered road users... I imagine so correct me if
I'm wrong.
As I also ride a motorcycle as well as 4 wheeled transport, I see no
improved infrastructure for motorcycles (such as a lower rail on steel
barriers to avoid contact with the posts etc) despite paying almost as
much for it's registration and insurance as the 4 wheeled transport.
Considering pushbikes pay **** all in this regard, why is so much
money being spent, even at the inconvenience of all registered
transport, for example a two laned road reduced to one lane to
accomodate a bike lane. I'm not anti-pushbike at all but what I do see
is some of this new work being rarely used by pushbikes and in one
case the bike lane ends between two lanes of traffic so who could
blame them.
The other problem with pushies is roundabouts, the bike lane ends, the
pushie is going around the outside of traffic, someone turns off
legally in a car... crunch.
If pushies are demanding more of the road and costing us all then when
are they going to contribute with a fee (rego or other) for road use?

Al (BM&CTD)

If we worked it out fairly by km traveled you would find the average
cyclists rego not worth the trouble to collect.

If I have to pay $100 a year to do 100km, then car drivers should pay $100
per km. Because they cause 100 times more expense in road works than
pushbikes easily.

What could be fairer than that?

"Rainbow Warrior" wrote in message
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"Albm&ctd" wrote in message
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I lied about the **** but I've noticed a lot of roads being changed in
their lane marking for pushbikes lately.

snip lots of redneck crap

then when are they going to contribute with a fee (rego or other) for
road use?

If you do wish to discuss this sort of crap from aus.cars on aus.bicycle
then at least take the time to make sure you're not cross-posting yourself.

Cheers
Peter

"Peter Signorini" wrote in message
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"Rainbow Warrior" wrote in message
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"Albm&ctd" wrote in message
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I lied about the **** but I've noticed a lot of roads being changed in
their lane marking for pushbikes lately.

snip lots of redneck crap

then when are they going to contribute with a fee (rego or other) for
road use?

If you do wish to discuss this sort of crap from aus.cars on aus.bicycle
then at least take the time to make sure you're not cross-posting
yourself.

Cheers
Peter

Hey, it's not like a critical mass thread or anything.
Don't like it, don't read it.

"Rainbow Warrior" wrote in message
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Hey, it's not like a critical mass thread or anything.
Don't like it, don't read it.

No, I quite like to read it, but the mind-numbing crap from folks on
aus.cars is intolerable

And touche! After all that I cross-posted....d'oh!! Try do do it better this
time.

Cheers
Peter

"Peter Signorini" wrote in message
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"Rainbow Warrior" wrote in message
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Hey, it's not like a critical mass thread or anything.
Don't like it, don't read it.

No, I quite like to read it, but the mind-numbing crap from folks on
aus.cars is intolerable

And touche! After all that I cross-posted....d'oh!! Try do do it better
this
time.

Cheers
Peter

Ok

If we worked it out fairly by km traveled you would find the average
cyclists rego not worth the trouble to collect.

If I have to pay $100 a year to do 100km, then car drivers should pay $100
per km. Because they cause 100 times more expense in road works than
pushbikes easily.

What could be fairer than that?


Motorcycles then too should be up for a discount. And 4WDs? Oh dear.
You have my vote.

Uncle Bully wrote:
If we worked it out fairly by km traveled you would find the average
cyclists rego not worth the trouble to collect.

If I have to pay $100 a year to do 100km, then car drivers should pay $100
per km. Because they cause 100 times more expense in road works than
pushbikes easily.

What could be fairer than that?



Motorcycles then too should be up for a discount. And 4WDs? Oh dear.
You have my vote.


yeah me too.

This has been donme to death. An equitible type rego based on damage to
roads has cyclists paying about $1 year, motorbikes about $100, the
average car about $500 the average 4wd lots more and so on

Any idea how to collect that $ 1 a year. Bearing in mind that to be
worth it is has to cost less than $1 per bike.

Dave

How about teh ******s that do burnouts knackering the bitumen left right and
centre, why should they pay less than my 4x4? I chew up dirt not bitumen, I
should also be eligable for a rebate due to off road useage then eh!.Every
km done offroad get $$$ Back.




"Dave" wrote in message
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Uncle Bully wrote:
If we worked it out fairly by km traveled you would find the average
cyclists rego not worth the trouble to collect.

If I have to pay $100 a year to do 100km, then car drivers should pay
$100
per km. Because they cause 100 times more expense in road works than
pushbikes easily.

What could be fairer than that?



Motorcycles then too should be up for a discount. And 4WDs? Oh dear.
You have my vote.


yeah me too.

This has been donme to death. An equitible type rego based on damage to
roads has cyclists paying about $1 year, motorbikes about $100, the
average car about $500 the average 4wd lots more and so on

Any idea how to collect that $ 1 a year. Bearing in mind that to be worth
it is has to cost less than $1 per bike.

Dave

Scotty Wrote:
How about teh ******s that do burnouts knackering the bitumen left righ
an
centre, why should they pay less than my 4x4? I chew up dirt no
bitumen,
should also be eligable for a rebate due to off road useage the
eh!.Ever
km done offroad get $$$ Back




"Dave" wrote in messag
..
Uncle Bully wrote
If we worked it out fairly by km traveled you would find the averag
cyclists rego not worth the trouble to collect

If I have to pay $100 a year to do 100km, then car drivers shoul
pa
$10
per km. Because they cause 100 times more expense in road works tha
pushbikes easily

What could be fairer than that



Motorcycles then too should be up for a discount. And 4WDs? Oh dear
You have my vote


yeah me too

This has been donme to death. An equitible type rego based on damag
t
roads has cyclists paying about $1 year, motorbikes about $100, th
average car about $500 the average 4wd lots more and so o

Any idea how to collect that $ 1 a year. Bearing in mind that to b
wort
it is has to cost less than $1 per bike

Dave

Registration does not pay for the roads. Roads are paid for by taxes.
Rego pretty much only covers the cost of administering it. We would al
be paying much much more if rego were to be the sole funding source fo
road construction and maintenance

And what about the relative mileages? Should a motorist who travel
5,000km a year pay the same as one who travels 50,000km - as a
present

I am impressed by the Singapore approach. A surcharge when a vehicl
enters the CBD. Set off by a black box mounted on the car passing ove
a series of sensors. Can be tailored to charge different amounts fo
peak and non-peak times and for certain types of vehicle. Charge th
max for 4WDs entering the CBD at peak hour times

Steve

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SteveA

SteveA wrote:
Scotty Wrote:

How about teh ******s that do burnouts knackering the bitumen left right
and
centre, why should they pay less than my 4x4? I chew up dirt not
bitumen, I
should also be eligable for a rebate due to off road useage then
eh!.Every
km done offroad get $$$ Back.




"Dave" wrote in message
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Uncle Bully wrote:

If we worked it out fairly by km traveled you would find the average
cyclists rego not worth the trouble to collect.

If I have to pay $100 a year to do 100km, then car drivers should

pay

$100
per km. Because they cause 100 times more expense in road works than
pushbikes easily.

What could be fairer than that?



Motorcycles then too should be up for a discount. And 4WDs? Oh dear.
You have my vote.



yeah me too.

This has been donme to death. An equitible type rego based on damage

to

roads has cyclists paying about $1 year, motorbikes about $100, the
average car about $500 the average 4wd lots more and so on

Any idea how to collect that $ 1 a year. Bearing in mind that to be

worth

it is has to cost less than $1 per bike.

Dave


Registration does not pay for the roads. Roads are paid for by taxes.
Rego pretty much only covers the cost of administering it. We would all
be paying much much more if rego were to be the sole funding source for
road construction and maintenance.

And what about the relative mileages? Should a motorist who travels
5,000km a year pay the same as one who travels 50,000km - as at
present?

I am impressed by the Singapore approach. A surcharge when a vehicle
enters the CBD. Set off by a black box mounted on the car passing over
a series of sensors. Can be tailored to charge different amounts for
peak and non-peak times and for certain types of vehicle. Charge the
max for 4WDs entering the CBD at peak hour times!

SteveA


true enough.. I was simplifying. The principle is totally valid tho.
And sure it should be based on milege. Hang on that could be done by
taxing petrol. And to make cyclists pay their share.. bananas