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  #31  
Old March 2nd 11, 06:48 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
Edward Dolan
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"AMuzi" wrote in message
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[...]
It may save space if you could just list one expenditure that doesn't
diminish our quality of life and punish the innocent taxpayer

If or when you find one.


Andrew, where have you been all of my life? I think you are a genius on my
level, except you say everything better than I could, no small feat.

Best Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


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  #32  
Old March 2nd 11, 07:01 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
Edward Dolan
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"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" " wrote in
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On 3/1/2011 8:04 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"T?m Sherm?n? " wrote in
message ...
Seehttp://www.bikeiowa.com/asp/hotnews/newsdisplay.asp?NewsID=4894.

Remember to thank the budget priorities of upper class tax cuts and
subsidies, when your favorite rural riding routes change from pavement
to
road bike unfriendly aggregate surfacing.


I think Minnesota has more miles of roads to maintain than almost any
other
state. If and when we return some asphalt roads to gravel roads, it just
means that vehicles will have to go slower which will not to be such a
bad
thing. As far a cycling is concerned, I NEVER see cyclists doing any
riding
on rural roads. Cycling is best restricted to urban areas anyway.

As for raising taxes to pay for ever more and better roads, forget about
it.
The states and counties are all going broke just like the federal
government. Everyone is already paying more than enough taxes.


Nonsense. The upper classes and corporations are only paying a fraction
of what they did under the REPUBLICAN Eisenhower Administration (when the
middle classes were much better off).


But everything is constantly changing. We now live in a global economy and
the upper classes and corporations can take whatever they have to foreign
lands. It is what makes it possible for me to shop at Wal-Mart and not be
robbed. Jeez, try to get up to date if that is possible.

The solution
to all our problems is to stop the spending and to learn to get along on
less. What we spend on education is especially a boondoggle. Yea, tighten
the belt and welcome deprivation. It is good for the soul!


The biggest boondoggle is what is spent on subsidizing Wall Street
incomes.


Frankly, I do not understand how Wall Street works at all. I would never
give those *******s a single penny.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


  #33  
Old March 2nd 11, 07:02 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_2_]
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On Mar 2, 12:08*pm, Peter Cole wrote:
On 3/2/2011 12:22 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On Mar 1, 11:42 pm, Jay *wrote:


Lefties did this:http://www.flickr.com/photos/vancesp....flickr....Can you say "slip
and slide"?http://www.flickr.com/photos/luton/879398610/


Sometimes I prefer it when people do not do me a favor.


But isn't _any_ bike facility a _good_ bike facility????


Seems that in some cities, if you're a bike coordinator who doesn't
buy that, you get fired. *That's what I hear, anyway.


http://www.isthmus.com/isthmus/artic...?article=31516


- Frank Krygowski


I didn't get any part of the "facility" argument from that article. I
think you are projecting.

*From this link, I got the impression he was pretty pro-facility, if
anything:

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?ui...56&topic=10320


What I get from other sources is that he was diligent about traffic
engineering. He certainly installed facilities, but was careful to
see that they were properly designed for real-world traffic
interactions. Rumors are he was not sufficiently quick to jump
uncritically in favor of the latest version of "Let's just copy
Copenhagen!!!"

But admittedly, this is hearsay to me. Perhaps Andrew can comment.
This link does work for me:

http://www.isthmus.com/isthmus/artic...?article=31516

- Frank Krygowski
  #34  
Old March 2nd 11, 07:09 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
Edward Dolan
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"Tºm Shermªn™ °_°" " wrote in
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[...]
The secret "they" do not want you to know is that lower and middle class
wages are set by the market [1], and go up and down at about the same rate
as tax increases and cuts. Therefore, lower and middle class worker end
up with about the same after-tax income with tax cuts, but reductions in
government services. However, the upper class wage earners greatly
increase their incomes with tax cuts.

The second secret "they" do not want you to know is that the hypothesis of
upper class tax cuts stimulating the economy has been proven false in
practice. The extra upper class income is not used for capital
investments, since the shifting of the overall share of income to the rich
depresses demand for goods and services. Instead, the rich mostly use the
extra income in de-facto gambling on Wall Street, and similar unproductive
activities.

[1] Upper class wages are typically set by the "You scratch my back and
I'll scratch yours" system.


I think Tom Sherman is not far from wrong in the above analysis (I was once
far to the Left of him). But even so, what other system of economy works any
better? I do not mind a few rich if it lets the rest of us get by. That is
something that all socialisms fail most abysmally at. North Korea anyone?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


  #35  
Old March 2nd 11, 07:18 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
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"Tºm Shermªn™ °_°" " wrote in
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[1] And only revisionist liars consider the Nazi's left-wing.


The Nazis were as left wing as the communists. If we had been smart, we
would have stayed out of the war in Europe and let the Nazis and Soviets
destroy one another. Neither one of them had anything to do with Western
democracy. In fact, they were both closely related to oriental despotism,
ever the favored governance of mankind down through history. Hells Bells, it
is hard work to be a citizen and it is no work at all to be a subject.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


  #36  
Old March 2nd 11, 07:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mar 2, 9:10*am, Peter Cole wrote:
On 3/1/2011 11:42 PM, Jay Beattie wrote:

On Mar 1, 5:14 pm, T m Sherm n _ ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" *wrote:
Seehttp://www.bikeiowa.com/asp/hotnews/newsdisplay.asp?NewsID=4894..


Remember to thank the budget priorities of upper class tax cuts and
subsidies, when your favorite rural riding routes change from pavement
to road bike unfriendly aggregate surfacing.


Lefties did this:http://www.flickr.com/photos/vancespics/3912223571/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/loewenherz/3331886473/*Can you say "slip
and slide"?http://www.flickr.com/photos/luton/879398610/


"Lefties"? How do you know that?

FWIW, those examples look fine to me, your objections aren't obvious.



Sometimes I prefer it when people do not do me a favor. *I wish that
the Lefties would agree with the Righties to just fix the f****** pot
holes. -- Jay Beattie.


Might have to raise taxes...


Picture one: "cycletrack between curb and parked cars. Cars take
curb anyway, so we end up with two lanes of parked cars and no bicycle
facility. Past iteration was simple bike lane outside of curb
parking. Worked fine. The "cycletracks" are dangerous chutes
cluttered with cars and pedestrians. They are the most dangerous
places to ride in the city.

Picture two: two-way bicyle traffic in narrow bicycle lanes
surrounded by traffic including busses. Prior iteration -- a road
that was plenty safe and simple.

Picture three: Slip n' slide blue applied coating that is dangerous
in the rain. We get a lot of rain.

Why lefties: It's Portland for gawdsake. There are bike lanes I
like. Don't get me wrong -- but they are simple facilities adjacent
to the travel lane that are the equivalent of wide shoulders.
Assuming that they provide real right-of-way is a mistake, so I ride
as though I am on a shoulder and assume cars will pull across them, in
to them and generally do whatever they want to do. -- Jay Beattie.

  #37  
Old March 2nd 11, 07:26 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
Edward Dolan
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"Tºm Shermªn™ °_°" " wrote in
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Furthermore, why would the rich German industrialists have funded the Nazi
party if it was actually socialist? The idea is too ridiculous to be
taken seriously by any but the ignorant.


German industrialists had any brains? Surely you joke! In any event, they
had no choice once the Nazis assumed power. There are none so dense as
Leftists. Hey, any extreme Leftists left in Europe? They only exist in
extreme backwaters like where the Tom Sherman's exist.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


  #38  
Old March 2nd 11, 07:36 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:
On 3/1/2011 11:01 PM, A. Muzi wrote:
Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:
On 3/1/2011 10:42 PM, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Mar 1, 5:14 pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_°""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
Seehttp://www.bikeiowa.com/asp/hotnews/newsdisplay.asp?NewsID=4894.

Remember to thank the budget priorities of upper class tax cuts and
subsidies, when your favorite rural riding routes change from pavement
to road bike unfriendly aggregate surfacing.

Lefties did this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/vancespics/3912223571/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/loewenherz/3331886473/ Can you say "slip
and slide"? http://www.flickr.com/photos/luton/879398610/

Sometimes I prefer it when people do not do me a favor. I wish that
the Lefties would agree with the Righties to just fix the f****** pot
holes. -- Jay Beattie.

Bicycle farcilities (sic) were originated as a way to confine cyclists
to an area inferior to the motor vehicles, which is hardly a left-wing
position.

Remember, bicycle lanes were built in the Netherlands by order of the
Nazi [1] occupation, to keep bicycles out of the way of motor traffic.

[1] And only revisionist liars consider the Nazi's left-wing.


They probably would have called themselves by some lefty sounding
moniker like "National Socialist Party" or some such.


All the elements that had some concern for the working classes were in
the SA, and were "purged" by the SS in the "Night of the Long Knives".

Furthermore, why would the rich German industrialists have funded the
Nazi party if it was actually socialist? The idea is too ridiculous to
be taken seriously by any but the ignorant.


Mensheviks, Bolsheviks, whatever.

--
Andrew Muzi
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Open every day since 1 April, 1971
  #39  
Old March 2nd 11, 07:40 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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Peter Cole wrote:
On 3/1/2011 11:47 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Jay Beattie wrote:
On Mar 1, 5:14 pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
See http://www.bikeiowa.com/asp/hotnews/newsdisplay.asp?NewsID=4894.

Remember to thank the budget priorities of upper class tax cuts and
subsidies, when your favorite rural riding routes change from pavement
to road bike unfriendly aggregate surfacing.

Lefties did this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/vancespics/3912223571/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/loewenherz/3331886473/ Can you say "slip
and slide"? http://www.flickr.com/photos/luton/879398610/

Sometimes I prefer it when people do not do me a favor. I wish that
the Lefties would agree with the Righties to just fix the f****** pot
holes. -- Jay Beattie.



Wow. Awesome artworks. Too bad they are an assault against cyclists.
Your traffic engineers have access to better drugs than we do here,
apparently, and ours are baked.


Is that why the guy got canned?



Like we'd miss one. For a small town in the midwest, we have
SIX bicycle coordinators slaving away on the taxpayer's dime.

To no great effect I might add.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
  #40  
Old March 2nd 11, 09:36 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
Zarniwoop
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On Mar 1, 5:46*pm, "news.suddenlink.net"
wrote:
?Tom, you ****ING NIT WIT: *There are other issues, such as the Socialist
you treasonous and Un-American assholes put into office and his party's
run-away spending.
Here's another that crosses party lines:
It's easy to dismiss individual programs that Benefit non-citizens until
they're put together And this picture emerges. Someone did a lot
Of research to put together all of this data. *Often these programs are
buried within other Programs making them difficult to find.

A Real Eye Opener ...
WHY is the USA BANKRUPT?
Informative, and mind *boggling!

You think the war in Iraq * was costing
Us too much? *Read this:

We have been hammered with the
Propaganda that it was the Iraq *war and The war on terror that is
bankrupting us.

I now find that to be *RIDICULOUS.
I hope the following 14 reasons are Forwarded over and over again until They
are read so many times that the Reader gets sick of reading them. I also
Have *ncluded the URL's for verification
Of all the following *facts...
1.$11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare To illegal aliens each year
by state governments.
Verify at:http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...grationissuece...
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuece....

2.$22 Billion dollars a year is spent on food *Assistance programs such as
food stamps,
WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
VerifyAt:http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

3.$2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at:http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on Primary and secondary school
education For children here illegally and they Cannot speak a word of
English!
Verify at:http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscrip...01/ldt..0.HTML
http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt..0.HTML

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for Education for the
American-bornChildren of illegal aliens, known asAnchor babies.
Verify
Athttp://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML
http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

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Verify at:http://transcripts.cnn.com/%20TRANsc...01/ldt.01.HTML
http://transcripts.CNN.com/%20TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTMLhttp://transcripts.cnn.com/%20TRANsc...01/ldt.01.HTML
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http://transcripts.CNN.com/%20TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

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Verify at:http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANscrip...01/ldt.01.HTML
http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML
http://transcripts/http://transcripts/
...CNN.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML%3E ;;

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on Illegal aliens for Welfare &
social Services by the merican taxpayers.
Verify
At:http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.HTML
http://premium.CNN.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.HTML

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the illegal Aliens.
Verify At:http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRI *PTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML
http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSC%20RI%20PTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

10. *The illegal aliens in the United States Have a crime rate that's two
and a half Times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their
children are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the U.S.
Verify
at:http://transcripts.cnn..com/TRANscri...2/ldt..01.HTML
http://transcripts.cnn..com/TRANscriptS/0606/12/ldt..01.HTML

11. During the year of 2005, there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that
crossed our Southern Border, also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from
Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and
marijuana, crossed into the US * from the Southern border.
Verify
at: Homeland Security *Report:

12. The National policy Institute estimated that the total cost of mass
deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of
between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.
Verify
at:http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.....eportation.PDF
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute..org/PDF/deportationPDF

13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances to their
countries of origin.
Verify
at:http://www/. http://www/..rense.com/general75/niht.htm
rense.com/general75/niht.htm http://www/..rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration:
Nearly One million sex crimes committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United
States .
Verify at:
http: //www.drdsk.com/articleshtmlhttp://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
% 20w.drdsk.com/articleshtml http://20w.drdsk.com/articleshtml;

The total cost is a whopping
$ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS
A YEAR AND IF YOU'RE LIKE ME,
HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING
THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY; IT IS
$338,300,000,000.00 WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE
CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.

Are *we THAT Stupid?
YES, FOR LETTING THOSE IN THE U.S. CONGRESS GET AWAY WITH LETTING THIS
HAPPEN YEAR AFTER YEAR!!!!!

If this doesn't bother you, then just delete the message. *If, on the other
hand, it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, I hope you forward it
to every
legal resident in the United States ..

"T�m Sherm�n� �_�" " wrote in
...

See http://www.bikeiowa.com/asp/hotnews/newsdisplay.asp?NewsID=4894..


Remember to thank the budget priorities of upper class tax cuts and
subsidies, when your favorite rural riding routes change from pavement to
road bike unfriendly aggregate surfacing.


--
T�m Sherm�n - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.


Tom obviously doesn't Know Deutsche is not the same as Dutch.
 




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