LA cycling, where red lights are optional

On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 2:56:07 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 19:53:20 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 10/22/2019 5:57 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:22:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 4:42:07 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 12:12:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/20/2019 12:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
sad story.

https://ktla.com/2019/10/19/bicyclis...d-run-suspect/
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It is normal for cars to exit a freeway into a city street in a straight line here. It is COMMON for these cars to exit at freeway speed + 20 mph directly through a red light. The city couldn't care less. It is up to the drivers not to go through a green light when cross traffic is approaching at high speed.

It sounds like it was the cyclist who ignored the red light in this
case. It's not a wise move.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Stupid - it appears to be a homeless man's bike and he was probably high. You and Jay have a whole lot in common in ignoring the realities of open borders.

You assume a homeless person is high on drugs. Typical. A Google search says about 11% of the homeless population in the USA are veterans. Do you think the US military said we don't give a darn where you are from. You're alive and standing, good enough for us. You're in the Army now.

According to government statistics, 80 percent of homeless people have experienced a lifelong struggle with drug and alcohol abuse.

Tom, I think that you are lying again. Can you provide us with a
reference to the "government statistics" that you mention?
--
cheers,

John B.


Many and diverse opinions are thrown around on a regular
basis. Here is one data set:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2605421/

These Harvard guys found slightly less, about 50%, as Tom wrote:

https://www.innovations.harvard.edu/...%20Huebner.pdf

I took the time to read this study and it goes to some lengths to
point out that figures defining alcohol and drug use in the homeless
are not at all accurate and further says that "based on what Fischer
judged to be the most technically adequate research, it seems fair to
say that at least 10 percent of the homeless have current drug
problems, and a minimum of 40 percent in addition have current alcohol
problems."

The report then goes on to say, "in a well-designed study of
shelter and jail samples in Baltimore, Breakey and Fischer found
27 percent of the whole group to have an alcohol disorder only, 5
percent to have a separate drug disorder only, 6 percent to have
combined alcohol and other drug disorders, and 24 percent to have
an alcohol and/or other drug disorder combined with a major mental
disorder."

And provides more information by saying, "Taken together, such
findings suggest some discernible cohorts
among the homeless with alcohol and other drug problems,
although these are subject to regional variation and can be expected
to change over time."

The study does try to determine whether homeless are alcohol and drug
users or alcohol and drug users that are homeless and says:
"Alcohol-dependent homeless people also appear to have histories of
recurrent and enduring homelessness. They tend to be chronically
rather than episodically homeless. Although few studies have
included life history interviews, Paul Koegel and M. Audrey
Burnam found that 80 percent of those with alcohol problems expe-
rienced their first symptom before their first episode of homeless-
ness, and more than half experienced their first symptom at least
five years before first becoming homeless."

And in closing they say, "In sum, the following can be said with
assurance. First, current alcohol and other drug problems are
widespread among the home-less, involving, as a conservative estimate,
50 percent of the population.

But it still doesn't answer my request for Tom to prove what he said
is true :-)

Far from Tom owing you an explanation, Shorts, you owe him an apology. He is right and you're wrong, and all the smilie's in the world won't reverse won't save you from the immorality of your weak character. All the bullies, starting from the Nazi brownshirts, "were just having a little fun." You make an indelibly poor image for a cycling group with your continuous hounding of Tom. Besides being scum and a bully, you, Slow Johnny, are a coward: you wouldn't dare behave like this in a bar.

--
cheers,

John B.

Unsigned out of contempt for a despicable little man

On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 9:41:44 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 3:57:46 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:22:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 4:42:07 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 12:12:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/20/2019 12:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
sad story.

https://ktla.com/2019/10/19/bicyclis...d-run-suspect/
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It is normal for cars to exit a freeway into a city street in a straight line here. It is COMMON for these cars to exit at freeway speed + 20 mph directly through a red light. The city couldn't care less. It is up to the drivers not to go through a green light when cross traffic is approaching at high speed.

It sounds like it was the cyclist who ignored the red light in this
case. It's not a wise move.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Stupid - it appears to be a homeless man's bike and he was probably high. You and Jay have a whole lot in common in ignoring the realities of open borders.

You assume a homeless person is high on drugs. Typical. A Google search says about 11% of the homeless population in the USA are veterans. Do you think the US military said we don't give a darn where you are from. You're alive and standing, good enough for us. You're in the Army now.

According to government statistics, 80 percent of homeless people have experienced a lifelong struggle with drug and alcohol abuse.

Tom, I think that you are lying again. Can you provide us with a
reference to the "government statistics" that you mention?
--
cheers,

John B.

No, I have no more intentions of playing games with a worthless pile of dog ****.

That's an insult to dogs, comparing Slow Johnny to their feces.

Andre Jute
We must keep a sense of proportion

On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 07:40:38 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 10/22/2019 8:56 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 19:53:20 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 10/22/2019 5:57 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:22:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 4:42:07 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 12:12:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/20/2019 12:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
sad story.

https://ktla.com/2019/10/19/bicyclis...d-run-suspect/
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It is normal for cars to exit a freeway into a city street in a straight line here. It is COMMON for these cars to exit at freeway speed + 20 mph directly through a red light. The city couldn't care less. It is up to the drivers not to go through a green light when cross traffic is approaching at high speed.

It sounds like it was the cyclist who ignored the red light in this
case. It's not a wise move.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Stupid - it appears to be a homeless man's bike and he was probably high. You and Jay have a whole lot in common in ignoring the realities of open borders.

You assume a homeless person is high on drugs. Typical. A Google search says about 11% of the homeless population in the USA are veterans. Do you think the US military said we don't give a darn where you are from. You're alive and standing, good enough for us. You're in the Army now.

According to government statistics, 80 percent of homeless people have experienced a lifelong struggle with drug and alcohol abuse.

Tom, I think that you are lying again. Can you provide us with a
reference to the "government statistics" that you mention?
--
cheers,

John B.


Many and diverse opinions are thrown around on a regular
basis. Here is one data set:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2605421/

These Harvard guys found slightly less, about 50%, as Tom wrote:

https://www.innovations.harvard.edu/...%20Huebner.pdf

I took the time to read this study and it goes to some lengths to
point out that figures defining alcohol and drug use in the homeless
are not at all accurate and further says that "based on what Fischer
judged to be the most technically adequate research, it seems fair to
say that at least 10 percent of the homeless have current drug
problems, and a minimum of 40 percent in addition have current alcohol
problems."

The report then goes on to say, "in a well-designed study of
shelter and jail samples in Baltimore, Breakey and Fischer found
27 percent of the whole group to have an alcohol disorder only, 5
percent to have a separate drug disorder only, 6 percent to have
combined alcohol and other drug disorders, and 24 percent to have
an alcohol and/or other drug disorder combined with a major mental
disorder."

And provides more information by saying, "Taken together, such
findings suggest some discernible cohorts
among the homeless with alcohol and other drug problems,
although these are subject to regional variation and can be expected
to change over time."

The study does try to determine whether homeless are alcohol and drug
users or alcohol and drug users that are homeless and says:
"Alcohol-dependent homeless people also appear to have histories of
recurrent and enduring homelessness. They tend to be chronically
rather than episodically homeless. Although few studies have
included life history interviews, Paul Koegel and M. Audrey
Burnam found that 80 percent of those with alcohol problems expe-
rienced their first symptom before their first episode of homeless-
ness, and more than half experienced their first symptom at least
five years before first becoming homeless."

And in closing they say, "In sum, the following can be said with
assurance. First, current alcohol and other drug problems are
widespread among the home-less, involving, as a conservative estimate,
50 percent of the population.

But it still doesn't answer my request for Tom to prove what he said
is true :-)
--
cheers,

John B.


Well, that's the problem with calling the social sciences
'science' when they are clearly not. Definitions are fluid
and self-reporting adds its own variables.

Still, anyone with experience in such neighborhoods would
not doubt 'about half' as a rough analysis.

(Or, "a whole bunch" :-)

I found it interesting that they at least attempted to differentiate
between long term homeless and short term homeless, with the long term
more likely to be users.

My own impression is that at least some of the long term users are
probably there because they are users, rather than users because they
are there.

As a social comment (:-) I have a friend that grew up in communist
Hungary. He tells me that there were no homeless there :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 13:41:41 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 3:57:46 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:22:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 4:42:07 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 12:12:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/20/2019 12:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
sad story.

https://ktla.com/2019/10/19/bicyclis...d-run-suspect/
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It is normal for cars to exit a freeway into a city street in a straight line here. It is COMMON for these cars to exit at freeway speed + 20 mph directly through a red light. The city couldn't care less. It is up to the drivers not to go through a green light when cross traffic is approaching at high speed.

It sounds like it was the cyclist who ignored the red light in this
case. It's not a wise move.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Stupid - it appears to be a homeless man's bike and he was probably high. You and Jay have a whole lot in common in ignoring the realities of open borders.

You assume a homeless person is high on drugs. Typical. A Google search says about 11% of the homeless population in the USA are veterans. Do you think the US military said we don't give a darn where you are from. You're alive and standing, good enough for us. You're in the Army now.

According to government statistics, 80 percent of homeless people have experienced a lifelong struggle with drug and alcohol abuse.

Tom, I think that you are lying again. Can you provide us with a
reference to the "government statistics" that you mention?
--
cheers,

John B.

No, I have no more intentions of playing games with a worthless pile of dog ****.

In other words, you made a statement and were unable to substantiate
it when questioned.

As for "worthless"? Well, I own two homes... and you own?
--
cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 13:54:35 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 5:53:16 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/22/2019 5:57 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:22:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 4:42:07 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 12:12:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/20/2019 12:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
sad story.

https://ktla.com/2019/10/19/bicyclis...d-run-suspect/
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It is normal for cars to exit a freeway into a city street in a straight line here. It is COMMON for these cars to exit at freeway speed + 20 mph directly through a red light. The city couldn't care less. It is up to the drivers not to go through a green light when cross traffic is approaching at high speed.

It sounds like it was the cyclist who ignored the red light in this
case. It's not a wise move.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Stupid - it appears to be a homeless man's bike and he was probably high. You and Jay have a whole lot in common in ignoring the realities of open borders.

You assume a homeless person is high on drugs. Typical. A Google search says about 11% of the homeless population in the USA are veterans. Do you think the US military said we don't give a darn where you are from. You're alive and standing, good enough for us. You're in the Army now.

According to government statistics, 80 percent of homeless people have experienced a lifelong struggle with drug and alcohol abuse.

Tom, I think that you are lying again. Can you provide us with a
reference to the "government statistics" that you mention?
--
cheers,

John B.


Many and diverse opinions are thrown around on a regular
basis. Here is one data set:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2605421/

These Harvard guys found slightly less, about 50%, as Tom wrote:

https://www.innovations.harvard.edu/...%20Huebner.pdf



--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

https://www.12keysrehab.com/drug-add...-homelessness/

"According to government statistics, 80 percent of homeless people have experienced a lifelong struggle with drug and alcohol abuse."

You have to be aware that a very large segment of this is alcoholism. Although 80% + children between the age of 12 and 17 who are homeless use hard drugs, this is far too expensive for most homeless people and they fall back on the cheaper form of high.

Goodness Tom, you've got to start reading what you quote. You
originally talked about homeless in the U.S. and when questioned you
now post a reference to data from Australia?

Tom, Melbourne Australia, where your "evidence" originated, is nearly
8,000 miles away from where you are seeing homeless.

(what's next? A report from Ethiopia?)
--
cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:19:46 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 2:56:07 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 19:53:20 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 10/22/2019 5:57 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:22:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 4:42:07 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 12:12:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/20/2019 12:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
sad story.

https://ktla.com/2019/10/19/bicyclis...d-run-suspect/
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It is normal for cars to exit a freeway into a city street in a straight line here. It is COMMON for these cars to exit at freeway speed + 20 mph directly through a red light. The city couldn't care less. It is up to the drivers not to go through a green light when cross traffic is approaching at high speed.

It sounds like it was the cyclist who ignored the red light in this
case. It's not a wise move.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Stupid - it appears to be a homeless man's bike and he was probably high. You and Jay have a whole lot in common in ignoring the realities of open borders.

You assume a homeless person is high on drugs. Typical. A Google search says about 11% of the homeless population in the USA are veterans. Do you think the US military said we don't give a darn where you are from. You're alive and standing, good enough for us. You're in the Army now.

According to government statistics, 80 percent of homeless people have experienced a lifelong struggle with drug and alcohol abuse.

Tom, I think that you are lying again. Can you provide us with a
reference to the "government statistics" that you mention?
--
cheers,

John B.


Many and diverse opinions are thrown around on a regular
basis. Here is one data set:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2605421/

These Harvard guys found slightly less, about 50%, as Tom wrote:

https://www.innovations.harvard.edu/...%20Huebner.pdf

I took the time to read this study and it goes to some lengths to
point out that figures defining alcohol and drug use in the homeless
are not at all accurate and further says that "based on what Fischer
judged to be the most technically adequate research, it seems fair to
say that at least 10 percent of the homeless have current drug
problems, and a minimum of 40 percent in addition have current alcohol
problems."

The report then goes on to say, "in a well-designed study of
shelter and jail samples in Baltimore, Breakey and Fischer found
27 percent of the whole group to have an alcohol disorder only, 5
percent to have a separate drug disorder only, 6 percent to have
combined alcohol and other drug disorders, and 24 percent to have
an alcohol and/or other drug disorder combined with a major mental
disorder."

And provides more information by saying, "Taken together, such
findings suggest some discernible cohorts
among the homeless with alcohol and other drug problems,
although these are subject to regional variation and can be expected
to change over time."

The study does try to determine whether homeless are alcohol and drug
users or alcohol and drug users that are homeless and says:
"Alcohol-dependent homeless people also appear to have histories of
recurrent and enduring homelessness. They tend to be chronically
rather than episodically homeless. Although few studies have
included life history interviews, Paul Koegel and M. Audrey
Burnam found that 80 percent of those with alcohol problems expe-
rienced their first symptom before their first episode of homeless-
ness, and more than half experienced their first symptom at least
five years before first becoming homeless."

And in closing they say, "In sum, the following can be said with
assurance. First, current alcohol and other drug problems are
widespread among the home-less, involving, as a conservative estimate,
50 percent of the population.

But it still doesn't answer my request for Tom to prove what he said
is true :-)

Far from Tom owing you an explanation, Shorts, you owe him an apology. He is right and you're wrong, and all the smilie's in the world won't reverse won't save you from the immorality of your weak character. All the bullies, starting from the Nazi brownshirts, "were just having a little fun." You make an indelibly poor image for a cycling group with your continuous hounding of Tom. Besides being scum and a bully, you, Slow Johnny, are a coward: you wouldn't dare behave like this in a bar.

--
cheers,

John B.

Unsigned out of contempt for a despicable little man

I'm not particularly concerned. I just remember that they can only do this from a distance and anonymously. It is a perfect demonstration of their characters.

On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 4:03:35 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 13:54:35 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 5:53:16 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/22/2019 5:57 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:22:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 4:42:07 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 12:12:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/20/2019 12:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
sad story.

https://ktla.com/2019/10/19/bicyclis...d-run-suspect/
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It is normal for cars to exit a freeway into a city street in a straight line here. It is COMMON for these cars to exit at freeway speed + 20 mph directly through a red light. The city couldn't care less. It is up to the drivers not to go through a green light when cross traffic is approaching at high speed.

It sounds like it was the cyclist who ignored the red light in this
case. It's not a wise move.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Stupid - it appears to be a homeless man's bike and he was probably high. You and Jay have a whole lot in common in ignoring the realities of open borders.

You assume a homeless person is high on drugs. Typical. A Google search says about 11% of the homeless population in the USA are veterans. Do you think the US military said we don't give a darn where you are from. You're alive and standing, good enough for us. You're in the Army now.

According to government statistics, 80 percent of homeless people have experienced a lifelong struggle with drug and alcohol abuse.

Tom, I think that you are lying again. Can you provide us with a
reference to the "government statistics" that you mention?
--
cheers,

John B.


Many and diverse opinions are thrown around on a regular
basis. Here is one data set:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2605421/

These Harvard guys found slightly less, about 50%, as Tom wrote:

https://www.innovations.harvard.edu/...%20Huebner.pdf



--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

https://www.12keysrehab.com/drug-add...-homelessness/

"According to government statistics, 80 percent of homeless people have experienced a lifelong struggle with drug and alcohol abuse."

You have to be aware that a very large segment of this is alcoholism. Although 80% + children between the age of 12 and 17 who are homeless use hard drugs, this is far too expensive for most homeless people and they fall back on the cheaper form of high.

Goodness Tom, you've got to start reading what you quote. You
originally talked about homeless in the U.S. and when questioned you
now post a reference to data from Australia?

Tom, Melbourne Australia, where your "evidence" originated, is nearly
8,000 miles away from where you are seeing homeless.

(what's next? A report from Ethiopia?)
--
cheers,

John B.

In one way you are correct. Australian homeless are less likely to be drug users and more likely to abuse alcohol. Of course the overall effect is the same but then that wouldn't have occurred to you would it?

Do you also have alcohol problems?

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 09:58:19 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 4:03:35 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 13:54:35 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 5:53:16 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/22/2019 5:57 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:22:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 4:42:07 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 12:12:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/20/2019 12:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
sad story.

https://ktla.com/2019/10/19/bicyclis...d-run-suspect/
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It is normal for cars to exit a freeway into a city street in a straight line here. It is COMMON for these cars to exit at freeway speed + 20 mph directly through a red light. The city couldn't care less. It is up to the drivers not to go through a green light when cross traffic is approaching at high speed.

It sounds like it was the cyclist who ignored the red light in this
case. It's not a wise move.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Stupid - it appears to be a homeless man's bike and he was probably high. You and Jay have a whole lot in common in ignoring the realities of open borders.

You assume a homeless person is high on drugs. Typical. A Google search says about 11% of the homeless population in the USA are veterans. Do you think the US military said we don't give a darn where you are from. You're alive and standing, good enough for us. You're in the Army now.

According to government statistics, 80 percent of homeless people have experienced a lifelong struggle with drug and alcohol abuse.

Tom, I think that you are lying again. Can you provide us with a
reference to the "government statistics" that you mention?
--
cheers,

John B.


Many and diverse opinions are thrown around on a regular
basis. Here is one data set:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2605421/

These Harvard guys found slightly less, about 50%, as Tom wrote:

https://www.innovations.harvard.edu/...%20Huebner.pdf



--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

https://www.12keysrehab.com/drug-add...-homelessness/

"According to government statistics, 80 percent of homeless people have experienced a lifelong struggle with drug and alcohol abuse."

You have to be aware that a very large segment of this is alcoholism. Although 80% + children between the age of 12 and 17 who are homeless use hard drugs, this is far too expensive for most homeless people and they fall back on the cheaper form of high.

Goodness Tom, you've got to start reading what you quote. You
originally talked about homeless in the U.S. and when questioned you
now post a reference to data from Australia?

Tom, Melbourne Australia, where your "evidence" originated, is nearly
8,000 miles away from where you are seeing homeless.

(what's next? A report from Ethiopia?)
--
cheers,

John B.

In one way you are correct. Australian homeless are less likely to be drug users and more likely to abuse alcohol. Of course the overall effect is the same but then that wouldn't have occurred to you would it?

Do you also have alcohol problems?

We are discussing Australian homeless and you ask if I have an alcohol
problem.

No Tommy, I am not from Australia and no I don't have an alcohol
problem. Any more stupid questions?

But more to the point, are you still wearing diapers? You had
mentioned a problem back there when the brain damage occurred and one
does wonder.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Sunday, October 27, 2019 at 4:43:25 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 09:58:19 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 4:03:35 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 13:54:35 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 5:53:16 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/22/2019 5:57 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:22:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 4:42:07 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 12:12:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/20/2019 12:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
sad story.

https://ktla.com/2019/10/19/bicyclis...d-run-suspect/
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It is normal for cars to exit a freeway into a city street in a straight line here. It is COMMON for these cars to exit at freeway speed + 20 mph directly through a red light. The city couldn't care less. It is up to the drivers not to go through a green light when cross traffic is approaching at high speed.

It sounds like it was the cyclist who ignored the red light in this
case. It's not a wise move.


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- Frank Krygowski

Stupid - it appears to be a homeless man's bike and he was probably high. You and Jay have a whole lot in common in ignoring the realities of open borders.

You assume a homeless person is high on drugs. Typical. A Google search says about 11% of the homeless population in the USA are veterans. Do you think the US military said we don't give a darn where you are from. You're alive and standing, good enough for us. You're in the Army now..

According to government statistics, 80 percent of homeless people have experienced a lifelong struggle with drug and alcohol abuse.

Tom, I think that you are lying again. Can you provide us with a
reference to the "government statistics" that you mention?
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cheers,

John B.


Many and diverse opinions are thrown around on a regular
basis. Here is one data set:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2605421/

These Harvard guys found slightly less, about 50%, as Tom wrote:

https://www.innovations.harvard.edu/...%20Huebner.pdf



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Andrew Muzi
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https://www.12keysrehab.com/drug-add...-homelessness/

"According to government statistics, 80 percent of homeless people have experienced a lifelong struggle with drug and alcohol abuse."

You have to be aware that a very large segment of this is alcoholism. Although 80% + children between the age of 12 and 17 who are homeless use hard drugs, this is far too expensive for most homeless people and they fall back on the cheaper form of high.

Goodness Tom, you've got to start reading what you quote. You
originally talked about homeless in the U.S. and when questioned you
now post a reference to data from Australia?

Tom, Melbourne Australia, where your "evidence" originated, is nearly
8,000 miles away from where you are seeing homeless.

(what's next? A report from Ethiopia?)
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cheers,

John B.

In one way you are correct. Australian homeless are less likely to be drug users and more likely to abuse alcohol. Of course the overall effect is the same but then that wouldn't have occurred to you would it?

Do you also have alcohol problems?

We are discussing Australian homeless and you ask if I have an alcohol
problem.

No Tommy, I am not from Australia and no I don't have an alcohol
problem. Any more stupid questions?

But more to the point, are you still wearing diapers? You had
mentioned a problem back there when the brain damage occurred and one
does wonder.
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cheers,

John B.

It is always funny when you seem totally incapable of making simple connections in the English language.