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Old June 20th 09, 01:28 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Jun 20, 5:06*am, bod43 wrote:
On 19 June, 18:51, Nuxx Bar wrote:

http://www.driversalliance.org.uk/press/view/281


The car-haters can say "It wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been
speeding" as much as they like, but that's just a pathetic excuse,
which shows yet again that the car-haters will *always* defend cameras
no matter what. *The speed camera caused the accident, and no amount
of agenda-driven contortion can escape that fact.


Perhaps what you say is true.

Thing is, this is not relevant to UK.rec.cycling.


Yes it is, because there are plenty on here who claim that cameras
make things safer for cyclists (and some who, more accurately, claim
that they make things *less* safe for them).

The highway code (applicaple to the UK) clearly
states that drivers should be able to stop *within*
the distance that they can see to be clear.
This would include being clear of speed cameras.


But (mobile) cameras are the only hazards which cause an immediate
problem which has to be dealt with straight away from up to a mile
away. Any other hazard isn't a problem until you actually hit (or are
in imminent danger of hitting) it, so if you see it from a distance
away, you have ample time to slow down.

Of course, cameras aren't a real hazard, they're an artificial hazard
that's been introduced to persecute motorists. And anyone who
advocates introducing hazards which adversely affect people's driving
is either misguided or doesn't have safety as their priority.

The *voters* no longer
approve of any and all stupid driving. You should try to
get used to the idea since we will only be getting less
tolerant as time passes.


"Stupid driving" != speeding. People can claim otherwise as much as
they like and it won't make the slightest difference.
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Old June 20th 09, 01:28 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Jun 20, 11:30*am, Keitht KeithT wrote:
Happi Monday wrote:
Nuxx Bar wrote:
http://www.driversalliance.org.uk/press/view/281


The car-haters can say "It wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been
speeding" as much as they like, but that's just a pathetic excuse,
which shows yet again that the car-haters will *always* defend cameras
no matter what. *The speed camera caused the accident, and no amount
of agenda-driven contortion can escape that fact.


You need to get a life, son.


By the looks of some of the posts, he may have several already.


Please don't feed the troll.
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Old June 20th 09, 02:51 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 20 Cze, 14:28, Nuxx Bar wrote:
On Jun 20, 11:30*am, Keitht KeithT wrote:

Happi Monday wrote:
Nuxx Bar wrote:
http://www.driversalliance.org.uk/press/view/281


The car-haters can say "It wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been
speeding" as much as they like, but that's just a pathetic excuse,
which shows yet again that the car-haters will *always* defend cameras
no matter what. *The speed camera caused the accident, and no amount
of agenda-driven contortion can escape that fact.


You need to get a life, son.


By the looks of some of the posts, he may have several already.


Please don't feed the troll.


So, if the driver had braked and lost control when he saw a police
car, that would prove that police cars kill people?

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Old June 20th 09, 02:57 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 20 Cze, 15:51, robert hancy wrote:
On 20 Cze, 14:28, Nuxx Bar wrote:





On Jun 20, 11:30*am, Keitht KeithT wrote:


Happi Monday wrote:
Nuxx Bar wrote:
http://www.driversalliance.org.uk/press/view/281


The car-haters can say "It wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been
speeding" as much as they like, but that's just a pathetic excuse,
which shows yet again that the car-haters will *always* defend cameras
no matter what. *The speed camera caused the accident, and no amount
of agenda-driven contortion can escape that fact.


You need to get a life, son.


By the looks of some of the posts, he may have several already.


Please don't feed the troll.


So, if the driver had braked and lost control when he saw a police
car, that would prove that police cars kill people?- Ukryj cytowany tekst -

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Seatbelts people, seatbelts caused those deaths , if the driver and
passenger died. Or the pile of earth by the side of the road caused
the deaths. Or the brakes caused the deaths.



Put it this way, if a cyclist tried to brake suddenly in, where was
it, Brighton? to avoid those police patrols enforcing speed limits on
the sea front, veered off the road and died, what would be the cause
of death?



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Old June 20th 09, 06:12 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Jun 19, 1:51*pm, Nuxx Bar wrote:
http://www.driversalliance.org.uk/press/view/281
. *The speed camera caused the accident, and no amount
of agenda-driven contortion can escape that fact.


If you think a speed camera causes acccidents, you should see what a
police roadblock does in Saudi Arabia.



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Old June 20th 09, 08:53 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Jun 20, 2:51*pm, robert hancy wrote:

So, if the driver had braked and lost control when he saw a police
car, that would prove that police cars kill people?


If the driver braked solely because they didn't want to get done for
sensibly speeding, then it would show that overzealous speed
enforcement killed people, certainly. If a speeding driver is causing
no danger, and everything is fine, until they see speed enforcement
taking place, then the speed enforcement is the problem. (Why not
just reply to me initial post instead of quoting the troll?)
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Old June 20th 09, 08:54 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Jun 20, 2:57*pm, robert hancy wrote:

Put it this way, if a cyclist tried to brake suddenly in, where was
it, Brighton? to avoid those police patrols enforcing speed limits on
the sea front, veered off the road and died, what would be the cause
of death?


The speed limit enforcement. (Unlike so many here, I don't
discriminate between motorists and cyclists unless there's a real
reason to do so.)
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Old June 20th 09, 09:00 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Jun 19, 9:22*pm, Simon Mason wrote:
Hell fire - The "Driver's Alliance" want you to* pay* to read their
claptrap, at least the ABD site is a free laugh.


Actually you can sign up for free. They ask for donations, yes, but I
don't see a problem with that since they're providing a useful service
in campaigning on behalf of the beleaguered motorist.

Interesting the way that you automatically assume that a pro-motoring
organisation's website would be "a laugh" though; I'm starting to
wonder whether you're a car-hater after all (albeit a very rare
example of one who's actually pleasant). The vast majority of the
ABD's site just looks like common sense to me, which no-one without an
axe to grind would have any problem with: do you not agree with *any*
of it?
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Old June 20th 09, 09:40 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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"Nuxx Bar" wrote in message
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http://www.driversalliance.org.uk/press/view/281

The car-haters can say "It wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been
speeding" as much as they like, but that's just a pathetic excuse,
which shows yet again that the car-haters will *always* defend cameras
no matter what. The speed camera caused the accident, and no amount
of agenda-driven contortion can escape that fact.


Looks rigged but if not they were Arabs so who the **** cares.

Mr Pounder


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Old June 21st 09, 09:34 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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"Nuxx Bar" wrote in message
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On Jun 19, 9:22 pm, Simon Mason wrote:
Hell fire - The "Driver's Alliance" want you to* pay* to read their
claptrap, at least the ABD site is a free laugh.


Actually you can sign up for free. They ask for donations, yes, but I
don't see a problem with that since they're providing a useful service
in campaigning on behalf of the beleaguered motorist.


Interesting the way that you automatically assume that a pro-motoring
organisation's website would be "a laugh" though;


What *is* a laugh, is the Daily Express "poor beleaguered, hard pressed
motorist" line that these sites are based on. What is so bad? You pay your
taxes, obey the rules of the road and you can drive anywhere you want. I've
just done 3500 miles across Europe which meant I had to deal with grey speed
cameras, speed cops hiding behind bushes, petrol at 1-50 Euros a litres,
motorway tolls, hotel parking charges of 20 Euros a night and all sorts of
bad road conditions.

It's good to get back here with cheaper petrol, good roads and no sneaky
cameras.


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http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

 




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