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Video of Fatal Accident Caused by Speed Camera
On Jun 20, 5:06*am, bod43 wrote:
On 19 June, 18:51, Nuxx Bar wrote: http://www.driversalliance.org.uk/press/view/281 The car-haters can say "It wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been speeding" as much as they like, but that's just a pathetic excuse, which shows yet again that the car-haters will *always* defend cameras no matter what. *The speed camera caused the accident, and no amount of agenda-driven contortion can escape that fact. Perhaps what you say is true. Thing is, this is not relevant to UK.rec.cycling. Yes it is, because there are plenty on here who claim that cameras make things safer for cyclists (and some who, more accurately, claim that they make things *less* safe for them). The highway code (applicaple to the UK) clearly states that drivers should be able to stop *within* the distance that they can see to be clear. This would include being clear of speed cameras. But (mobile) cameras are the only hazards which cause an immediate problem which has to be dealt with straight away from up to a mile away. Any other hazard isn't a problem until you actually hit (or are in imminent danger of hitting) it, so if you see it from a distance away, you have ample time to slow down. Of course, cameras aren't a real hazard, they're an artificial hazard that's been introduced to persecute motorists. And anyone who advocates introducing hazards which adversely affect people's driving is either misguided or doesn't have safety as their priority. The *voters* no longer approve of any and all stupid driving. You should try to get used to the idea since we will only be getting less tolerant as time passes. "Stupid driving" != speeding. People can claim otherwise as much as they like and it won't make the slightest difference. |
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Video of Fatal Accident Caused by Speed Camera
On Jun 20, 11:30*am, Keitht KeithT wrote:
Happi Monday wrote: Nuxx Bar wrote: http://www.driversalliance.org.uk/press/view/281 The car-haters can say "It wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been speeding" as much as they like, but that's just a pathetic excuse, which shows yet again that the car-haters will *always* defend cameras no matter what. *The speed camera caused the accident, and no amount of agenda-driven contortion can escape that fact. You need to get a life, son. By the looks of some of the posts, he may have several already. Please don't feed the troll. |
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Video of Fatal Accident Caused by Speed Camera
On 20 Cze, 14:28, Nuxx Bar wrote:
On Jun 20, 11:30*am, Keitht KeithT wrote: Happi Monday wrote: Nuxx Bar wrote: http://www.driversalliance.org.uk/press/view/281 The car-haters can say "It wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been speeding" as much as they like, but that's just a pathetic excuse, which shows yet again that the car-haters will *always* defend cameras no matter what. *The speed camera caused the accident, and no amount of agenda-driven contortion can escape that fact. You need to get a life, son. By the looks of some of the posts, he may have several already. Please don't feed the troll. So, if the driver had braked and lost control when he saw a police car, that would prove that police cars kill people? |
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Video of Fatal Accident Caused by Speed Camera
On 20 Cze, 15:51, robert hancy wrote:
On 20 Cze, 14:28, Nuxx Bar wrote: On Jun 20, 11:30*am, Keitht KeithT wrote: Happi Monday wrote: Nuxx Bar wrote: http://www.driversalliance.org.uk/press/view/281 The car-haters can say "It wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been speeding" as much as they like, but that's just a pathetic excuse, which shows yet again that the car-haters will *always* defend cameras no matter what. *The speed camera caused the accident, and no amount of agenda-driven contortion can escape that fact. You need to get a life, son. By the looks of some of the posts, he may have several already. Please don't feed the troll. So, if the driver had braked and lost control when he saw a police car, that would prove that police cars kill people?- Ukryj cytowany tekst - - Pokaż cytowany tekst - Seatbelts people, seatbelts caused those deaths , if the driver and passenger died. Or the pile of earth by the side of the road caused the deaths. Or the brakes caused the deaths. Put it this way, if a cyclist tried to brake suddenly in, where was it, Brighton? to avoid those police patrols enforcing speed limits on the sea front, veered off the road and died, what would be the cause of death? |
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Video of Fatal Accident Caused by Speed Camera
On Jun 19, 1:51*pm, Nuxx Bar wrote:
http://www.driversalliance.org.uk/press/view/281 . *The speed camera caused the accident, and no amount of agenda-driven contortion can escape that fact. If you think a speed camera causes acccidents, you should see what a police roadblock does in Saudi Arabia. |
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Video of Fatal Accident Caused by Speed Camera
On Jun 20, 2:51*pm, robert hancy wrote:
So, if the driver had braked and lost control when he saw a police car, that would prove that police cars kill people? If the driver braked solely because they didn't want to get done for sensibly speeding, then it would show that overzealous speed enforcement killed people, certainly. If a speeding driver is causing no danger, and everything is fine, until they see speed enforcement taking place, then the speed enforcement is the problem. (Why not just reply to me initial post instead of quoting the troll?) |
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Video of Fatal Accident Caused by Speed Camera
On Jun 20, 2:57*pm, robert hancy wrote:
Put it this way, if a cyclist tried to brake suddenly in, where was it, Brighton? to avoid those police patrols enforcing speed limits on the sea front, veered off the road and died, what would be the cause of death? The speed limit enforcement. (Unlike so many here, I don't discriminate between motorists and cyclists unless there's a real reason to do so.) |
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Video of Fatal Accident Caused by Speed Camera
On Jun 19, 9:22*pm, Simon Mason wrote:
Hell fire - The "Driver's Alliance" want you to* pay* to read their claptrap, at least the ABD site is a free laugh. Actually you can sign up for free. They ask for donations, yes, but I don't see a problem with that since they're providing a useful service in campaigning on behalf of the beleaguered motorist. Interesting the way that you automatically assume that a pro-motoring organisation's website would be "a laugh" though; I'm starting to wonder whether you're a car-hater after all (albeit a very rare example of one who's actually pleasant). The vast majority of the ABD's site just looks like common sense to me, which no-one without an axe to grind would have any problem with: do you not agree with *any* of it? |
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Video of Fatal Accident Caused by Speed Camera
"Nuxx Bar" wrote in message ... http://www.driversalliance.org.uk/press/view/281 The car-haters can say "It wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been speeding" as much as they like, but that's just a pathetic excuse, which shows yet again that the car-haters will *always* defend cameras no matter what. The speed camera caused the accident, and no amount of agenda-driven contortion can escape that fact. Looks rigged but if not they were Arabs so who the **** cares. Mr Pounder |
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Video of Fatal Accident Caused by Speed Camera
"Nuxx Bar" wrote in message ... On Jun 19, 9:22 pm, Simon Mason wrote: Hell fire - The "Driver's Alliance" want you to* pay* to read their claptrap, at least the ABD site is a free laugh. Actually you can sign up for free. They ask for donations, yes, but I don't see a problem with that since they're providing a useful service in campaigning on behalf of the beleaguered motorist. Interesting the way that you automatically assume that a pro-motoring organisation's website would be "a laugh" though; What *is* a laugh, is the Daily Express "poor beleaguered, hard pressed motorist" line that these sites are based on. What is so bad? You pay your taxes, obey the rules of the road and you can drive anywhere you want. I've just done 3500 miles across Europe which meant I had to deal with grey speed cameras, speed cops hiding behind bushes, petrol at 1-50 Euros a litres, motorway tolls, hotel parking charges of 20 Euros a night and all sorts of bad road conditions. It's good to get back here with cheaper petrol, good roads and no sneaky cameras. -- Simon Mason http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/ |
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