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More Hate Mail from a Typical Mountain Biker
Ken says:
Sheesh. Arguing with zealots is such a waste of time. If you can make the next logical step from there, and live by it, you will be doing well, Grasshopper.... Steve |
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More Hate Mail from a Typical Mountain Biker
Mike Vandeman wrote:
At 10:05 AM 10/21/03 -0700, Mike Stewart wrote: At 06:31 PM 10/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: 1. You said I exaggerated. That's a lie. No, that's a subjective assessment. "I think you exaggerated" would be a "subjective assessment". "You exaggerated" is a lie. It doesn't surprize me that a mountain biker dioesn't know the difference between truth and lies. 2. You just agreed with me: "mountain bikes don't warrant the attention..." means that the damage they do is acceptable. You continue to miss the point of relative severity here. As I said, you continue to rationalize mountain biking by claiming that it's less damaging than something else. Is burglary okay, just because it's less harmful than murder? Of course not! 3. You threatened to join IMBA, to retaliate against me, and even carried out your threat. Technically, a threat is an expression of intent. Since I had already joined IMBA before responding to you, I was not expressing intent but rather reporting the facts. If you find it threatening for someone to join the IMBA, then I suppose that's your choice. You used it as a threat, to intimidate me. Of course, it didn't work. In other words, you are a 100% typical mountain biker. There is no such thing. Some mountain bikers are honest and pure and always try to do the right thing, and some are selfish inconsiderate assholes. Most are somewhere in between. Just like life. Surely you understand this reality of statistical variation but choose to ignore it because stereotypes are so much simpler. 100% of the mountain bikers I have met have lied. That is statistically improbable, but true. It proves that mountain bikers are different. If you weren't so busy lying, you might get some respect. If you pass my email to your parents, as you promised (mountain bikers are NOTORIOUSLY unreliable), you will see that they are very disappointed. I hate to disrupt your exaggerated stereotype of unreliability, but here's part of my mother's response: "You, as a son, are not only a thrill but the farthest thing from a disappointment. You are considered as a kind and caring person in regards to the environment and others." Of course, she may not realize what a belligerent, aggressive, unreliable, lying, nature hater I am... True. Mothers wear rose-colored glasses, especially when outsiders are concerned. I'm not surprized that she doesn't understand the damage that mountain biking does. She has YOU for a teacher. No parent I have ever met would teach their kid to lie. You do it, because you want to get your way. Mountain bikers are like that: belligerent, aggressive, and dishonest. I don't have time to teach all mountain bikers ethics, but I will give you ONE more chance to prove that you have a shred of integrity, by how you respond. Good luck. In the end, I do appreciate what folks like you say and do for the sake of the environment, that's why I joined the Sierra Club, and give money to Greenpeace, and even voted for Mr.Nader in the last election. But if Greenpeace spent their time and energy trying to ban scuba diving because divers often insist on touching marine life with their bare hands (which can cause disease and even death in some species), then I would stop supporting them. As I said, you value human pleasure above wildlife protection -- like ALL mountain bikers. It's not because scuba diving is harmless to the environment, but rather because it is more important to address the unconscionable mass polluting of the oceans by government and mega-corporations around the world, It's all about relative severity. Until you get that concept, I'm afraid you will just continue to be a frustrated and angry man (not a lie, just another subjective assessment, take it or leave it). I just tell the truth -- something you have yet to learn, although you should have known by kindergarten. Have a good day. - Mike Mike Stewart wrote: Yep, you got me. I'm one of those mountain bikers. I didn't mention it because I don't think its relevant, not because I wasn't being honest enough to admit it. Actually, I have two mountain bikes. Twice the evil. I am curious as to how you figured my mountain bike status given that: (1) I didn't lie to you. Your letters did frighten me, and I did join the IMBA immediately after reading them. (2) I didn't imply that what mountain bikes are doing is ok, that's your inference. I only pointed out that in the greater reality of environmental issues, mountain bikes do not warrant the attention you are giving them. (3) I didn't threaten you. My parents must be pretty disappointed? Well I'm sure they're not thrilled with me but I wouldn't go so far as to say they are disappointed. I'll forward your email to them anyway, just to make sure. Still, I don't see what they have to do with this. Seems to me like a pretty desperate attempt on your part to make me feel bad about myself or something. Happy Friday. - Mike At 06:01 PM 10/16/2003 -0700, you wrote: One way you can tell that you are dealing with a mountain biker is that: (1) They lie. A LOT. (2) They tell you that they aren't as bad as someone else, implying that what they are doing is therefore okay. (3) They threaten you in some way. I guess you must be a mountain biker, although you weren't honest enough to admit it. Didn't your parents teach you to tell the truth? Most parents DO, you know. They must be pretty disappointed.... Mike Stewart wrote: Mike - Just ran across some of your letters on the web regarding mountain biking. http://home.pac- bell.net/mjvande/wc14.htmhttp://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/wc14.htm htt- p://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/mtb121.htmhttp://home.pacbell.net/mjvand- e/mtb121.htm "One look at a mountain bike is enough to tell you that it is up to no good: the knobby tires are designed to rip up the soil, and the suspension systems are designed to insulate the rider from the shocks, as they beat the trail to a pulp." "We are literally creating a generation that is too lazy to walk..." Frightening stuff. Truly, something needs to be done. Your painfully exaggerated descriptions of mountain bikes and their irresponsible, environmentally unconscious owners has already motivated me to join the IMBA. I do share your environmental concerns in general, but your focus on mountain bikes as a nature damaging component is like complaining that kids are spitting in the river downstream from the Dow chemical plant. Your target cause is just, but your aim is senseless. - Mike I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) http://home.pacbell.net/mjvandehttp:...ll.net/mjvande === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) http://home.pacbell.net/mjvandehttp:...ll.net/mjvande Let's argue about something meaningful, like Campy vs. Shimano, Ksyrium vs. Zipp, steel vs. carbon or Coke vs. Pepsi. -- -------------------------- Posted via cyclingforums.com http://www.cyclingforums.com |
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More Hate Mail from a Typical Mountain Biker
"Justine7458" wrote SNIP Let's argue about something meaningful, like Campy vs. Shimano, Ksyrium vs. Zipp, steel vs. carbon or Coke vs. Pepsi. Or snipping meaningless content vs. not snipping... cg |
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More Hate Mail from a Typical Mountain Biker
"Justine7458" wrote in message
... Mike Vandeman wrote: {SEE THIS??? THIS IS A SNIP!!!} Let's argue about something meaningful, like Campy vs. Shimano, Ksyrium vs. Zipp, steel vs. carbon or Coke vs. Pepsi. So you left hundreds of lines of Vandedrivel just to tack on that tacky little...uh, tack-on? -------------------------- Posted via cyclingforums.com Now THERE's a shock. Bill "maroon convention around here lately" S. |
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:02:16 GMT, "Sorni" wrote:
.."Justine7458" wrote in message ... .. Mike Vandeman wrote: .. ..{SEE THIS??? THIS IS A SNIP!!!} .. .. Let's argue about something meaningful, like Campy vs. Shimano, Ksyrium .. vs. Zipp, steel vs. carbon or Coke vs. Pepsi. .. ..So you left hundreds of lines of Vandedrivel just to tack on that tacky ..little...uh, tack-on? Yes. You guys are BY FAR my best publicists. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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More Hate Mail from a Typical Mountain Biker
Jeff says:
Oh wait, I am not a biker so I never lie, which means you are not talking to me. Did you say something? ;-) Steve "well, SOMEONE had to beat Mikey to it....." |
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More Hate Mail from a Typical Mountain Biker
Gary S says:
Or, are you the source of all truth? Do you answer your own questions ALL the time, Gary? ;-)) |
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More Hate Mail from a Typical Mountain Biker
Can any one please explain why any of you respond to Vandeman's idiotic
posts? Its like arguing with a tree stump (only a tree stump is more intelligent.) He is a waste of bandwidth and time. --------------Dave -- Come ride in West Virginia! -------------------------- Posted via cyclingforums.com http://www.cyclingforums.com |
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More Hate Mail from a Typical Mountain Biker
On 25 Oct 2003 06:11:21 +0950, DaveWV
wrote: Can any one please explain why any of you respond to Vandeman's idiotic posts? Its like arguing with a tree stump (only a tree stump is more intelligent.) He is a waste of bandwidth and time. --------------Dave I actually thought we'd cracked it in this thread - it was 3 days without a response, and then Mike responded himself! Hey everybody, if you ignore him, he might even go away! -- Colin Swan |
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